Definitive Owners Thread - Page 56

I think that this rooms size looks pretty good.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/sho...964ccce010f450

Hey all,

Well, I convinced my wife to get a new TV stand/media cabinet. As a result, the space for a center channel is now bigger than the Mythos seven that I have. I'd like to get a better match for the BP7004s that I have. I'm looking into the CLR line. I auditioned the 2002 and liked it a LOT. I'm just wondering what people think of that compared to the 2300? The 7004 + SuperCube 2 are giving me plenty of bass. I'm afraid a 2300 might push it over the edge. Opinions?

Also, if using a 2300 (or bigger CLR) do you set the center to large in your AVR?

FWIW, I have Mythos GEMs as surrounds and love them.

Thanks,
BoB

Here's how Chet from Def Tech amswered a similar question:

Thanks for your recent email to Definitive Technology. First, without its
end caps, the CLR2002 is a bit over 20" wide.

Next, since the CLR2500 and CLR2002 use the same 5.25" bass/midrange drivers
as the BP7004s, these two center speakers are considered perfect matches to
the BP7004s. However, even though the CLR2300 has 4.5" midrange drivers, it
has the same tonal balance as the BP7004s. (I would describe the CLR2300 as
a good match to the BP7004s - and since the CLR2300 is a much better speaker
than the CLR2002, I would recommend using the CLR2300 - over the CLR2002.)

(The ProCenter 2000 is s a fine speaker, but if you're able to use the
CLR2300, this would be a better choice.)

If you need any other information, please email me at
cpelkowski@definitivetech.com.

Thanks,
Chet Pelkowski
Definitive Technology


I have set my 2300 to large. I have the 4's and the 2500 was too big for my application. I had the 2002 and had to exchange it for the 2300 due to a size issue. I'm glad that I had to.

My understanding is that rectangular is best. Also, in order to decrease the risk of having low frequency resonance through the room, none of the dimensions of the room, (length, width, ceiling height), should be divisible by each other. DIY Network just aired a great show on how to build your own HT room including things like floating the floor and walls as well as how to knock down reflections, etc. Check out their website for more.

heres my room response with def tech bp towers after playing with the denon 2807 for a weekend lol

I just wanted to say that I am now the proud owner of a Def Tech 7.1 system. Here is what I have:

BP7004 (L/R)
C/L/R 2500
BP2X (x4)
Supercube 1

I will be running this from my Denon 4806 receiver. I haven't even removed them from their packaging because I had to finish painting my new apartment first. But I'm sure they will sound fantastic.

Thanks to Adam from NextLevel AV. Great pricing and delivery to my livingroom!

-Joe

All of that equipment in an apartment...be prepared to take some abuse from the neighbors. I'm sure they are going to love the 4 subwoofers that you have in that system. Sounds like that system will be rockin'. Show us some pics when everything is up.

How does everyone have their rear speakers set in their AVR (large or small)?

towers set to large (with built in subs)

but after playing with that software i got im gonna run them at small and run the subs with the lfe goes they spike to much at 125hertz im almost sure its cause thats where they over lap since i tested without the subs and it wasnt their anymore.

oh yah and when i ran a 20 hertz test tone and not even to loud (i think about 90 db) the tweeter was making clicking noises.. i dont want to blow a tweeter so i rather just run them at small and connect the rca to the sub...

Mine are currently set to small. Still unsure if its the best setting. I use a Pio Elite reciever, and to use THX setting, all speakers are set to small (all LFE goes to the sub).

Are you going to be able to return the seven? If your putting it on Craigslist, let me know how much first (I'm in Edmonds). Look at the eight also for your center - I like mine.

Thanks for the help. Buying land and making sure its build able is quite a challenge! My god theres a lot to go through. I have met so many dead ends is scary. So the designing of the HT room is going to be down the line some. Thanks for the help. J.H.

I will definitely post some pics when I'm done. My neighbors are all musicians and stuff, so I don't think they will mind all that much-I hope!

-Joe

I still have two weeks left to get it back to Magnolia. Sorry.

BoB

I used to think that when I had a nice system in my apartment; it didn't work out so well esp since movie time for me is late at night.

So glad I moved into a house, now I can crank it as loud as I want anytime of day or night.

It would be torture to have a system as nice as yours and not be able to let loose.

Hey, guys. I'm thinking about picking up a pair of BP7004 and a CLR 2300 for my fronts and center. I'll be driving these with a Denon-2802, which is a 6.1 amp. Right now I've got a Power800 sub, a pair of older Infinity Beta bookshelf speakers as surrounds. Eventually I'll replace the Infinities with a set of more matched speakers? Recommendations? Also, for the rear center would that be the same type of speaker as the surrounds, or another center channel speaker?

Thanks.

The infinity would not be the best surround for these but you can use them since it's just ...surround. With the BP7004 you may want to look at the BP1.2X or the BP2X.

The 2300 will be a very good center for the 7004. You may also want to auditoin the 2002 and the 2500. The 2002 and 2500 have the same size drivers as the 7004's so they'll match really well. The 2300 will also be very good although its drivers are a bit smaller but it has an active sub to help giving it that presence. The 2500 hs the same driver size as the 7004 but with an active sub while the 2002 has the same size driver but a passive sub.

Thanks, Rudy. I was thinking of the BP2X as eventual replacements for the surrounds. The AVR-2802 can send two back centers for 7.1 (unamped) or one (amped) back center for 6.1. I'm not sure what kind of speaker I need for this (these?).

Also, there seem to be eight pre-out jacks. (Apparently the amp can send left and right rear center channels unamped, but only has a mono speaker connection for rear center). The subwoofer is already running from one of these. I assume I'd run cables from the Front left and right to the LFE inputs on the 7004's and select 'LFE+Mains' for my crossover settings?

What's a good surround speaker to match with the BP7006? I was set on getting the BP2X but then I heard the mythos and they sounded a little betterin BB demo room.

Def tech meant to have the 1.2 for the BP7006...frankly I think the 2X is better. These are all bipolars so they match.

I personally believe that the Mythos series are just too bright for the BP's so I would stick with the bipolar 2X. But listen and decide for your own taste.

Now, I've heard the GEMs and they're not bipolar...but boy!! they sound goood.

I have the 7006's, 2300 and 4 1.2s. I think the 1.2s sound great and match the tonal quality of the rest of the system.

I'm running the 7006's for the front, 2002 for the center, 1.2's for surrounds, and the supercube III for a sub. What I'd like to know is if the 2300 center would be better for the center channel. I'm happy with everything now but I'm wondering if the 2300 would be better.

I usually see people doing the same speakers in the back for both back and surround, so whichever you'll decided upon. But the trick here is usually to match up the driver size to get the same tonal and timbre balance.

You can decide whether to send the LFE to the 7004 seperately or part of the main. If you run it seperatedly you'll need a banana 2 way split to split your sub out. This way you can control the bass by turning the knob on the back of the 7004. Some people like to send the LFE to the main..thus no cables to the LFE in the back of the 7004. This method, however, for most receiver, you can't control the bass very much.
Personally I like running the LFE seperatedly (cable to LFE in the back). This method does not change the tonal balance and timbre of the main and allows it to remain...uumm..less murky..and not too boomy.

But you need to try it out both ways and see which you like better.

slouque,

Again, I was in a similar boat as you. I went with the 7006s with the BP2Xs and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Tonight I watched "We Were Soliders" and I soiled my couch from all of the gunfire whizzing by my ears. The BP2Xs are amazing speakers!

My dealer pushed the Bipolars and they were right, they are a great match for the 7006s. I guarantee you will not be dissapointed.

Alright guys...SOME PICS...

I've had the system up for two days now and I finally had some time to take some pictures, as promised. I've been tuning the AVR and I still have a long way to go.

The system...
BP7006s
CLR2300 (which will soon be moved from the ground to the mantle)
BP2Xs

The 7006s and the BP2Xs are over the top amazing. I love them.

I'm still trying to dial in the CLR2300. Watching TV is great, but during intense surround sound scenes, the sound gets lost amist the power of the 7006s. This center channel is great but I would say it is a bit tougher to dial in to match the rest of the system than I would have liked. I've had this issue with every center channel I've ever used. To counteract the powerful 7006s, I'm boosting the CLR about 5dBs higher than the BP7006s to hear the center channel.

Let me know what you guys think.

Kevin,
That setup looks nice! You have some space ther between the two 7006 that should help with the imaging. May I make a couple of suggestions?
1) since you're not as happy with the 2300, try out the 2002 and sae a few bucks.

2) The little cd storage case on the left, can you move it to the other side of the outlet? give it a bit more room for the left 7006 to breath. Or even better, move it somewhere else

Actually now that we see how your room is configure, that shape, like a wide open horse shoe may actually help to throw the sound out more to the open. It's an advantage!

Two days have passed since I hooked everything up and I have many questions...

Q#1: I'm having a tough time finding the right sound for my CLR2300. As I stated in my previous post, during intense surround sound movie scenes the speaker gets lost. Does anyone else have their CLR set a few dBs higher than their BPTowers? Is this common?

Q#2: Has anyone modified the graphic equalizer for their CLR? I'm a bit tempted to tinker with it to try and improve the sound to match the towers.

Q#3: Where is your bass set on your BPTowers? (10 am, 2 pm, 3pm) I have mine set around 3pm and I feel like this delivers a great bass. Anything beyond 3pm seems to shake pictures off the wall.

Q#4: For your BPXrears, where do you have your crossover set in your AVR? The room EQ in my Denon 2807 calculated 80Hz. The speaker is rated to go down to 45Hz according to Definitive (which I have heard their specs are a bit on the generous side). Would it be a good idea to drop the crossover in my AVR to say 60 Hz to get a little bit more of that rumble from the rear? Has anyone played with this?

Q#5: Is anyone not happy with any piece of Definitive equipment they have heard? If so, please give reasons.

I look forward to hearing back from everyone.

Got a question for all you Def Tech owners. I've been seing used BP20 and BP2000 on craigslist lately. Prices range from 50% - 75% off MSRP. I'm thinking of getting a pair to be used strictly for 2ch setup to be driven by Acurus 250w amp. I'll be using an old Yamaha integrated amp as a pre-amp for now until I see something that is affordable. The question is... which model is prefered for my intended use. Im using Klipsch RF-3 right now with old HSU VTF3 (oldest fron firing model).

Kevin,
Doesn't your 2807 have an EQ setting that matches up all the speakers timbre?

would that help solve your center channel ?

hat area of improvements do you really want? volume? soundstage? tonal/timbre balance?

Rudy,

Thanks for the comments and feedback.

1) In the future, I might decide to go with the 2002. I am going to give the CLR2300 a bit more time; I am convinced it is my inexperience with system tuning that is leaving me a bit unsatisfied with the overall sound. I believe I just need some time to tinker and tweak.

2) That is a great idea. If my wife had her way, the 7006s would be up against the wall. It took some coaxing to convince her that the speakers needed a bit of room to breath. By moving that media shelf it will open up a lot of space. I'm going to move that thing. Thanks for the idea.