Definitive Owners Thread - Page 563

Originally Posted by holyhd

Does BP6 blend well with CLR2003, as a FRONT/MAIN-LR

Later, if I upgrade to BP700x as front, i may use BP6 as rears (surround). Is BP6 good for this or only BP1.2x/BP2x/BPV.

I do have subwoofer too. I am not sure if CLR2003 is sufficient. If not, i would add it too.

Any suggestion on BP6 placement. Currently, planning to keep the BP6 about 6 foot from wall (back of BP6) and about 6"-1ft from side wall.

Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by holyhd

Does BP6 blend well with CLR2003, as a FRONT/MAIN-LR

Later, if I upgrade to BP700x as front, i may use BP6 as rears (surround). Is BP6 good for this or only BP1.2x/BP2x/BPV.

I do have subwoofer too. I am not sure if CLR2003 is sufficient. If not, i would add it too.

Any suggestion on BP6 placement. Currently, planning to keep the BP6 about 6 foot from wall (back of BP6) and about 6"-1ft from side wall.

Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by holyhd

Thanks OTK.

yes, i was referring to CLR-2300 with builtin subs. I thought I could benefit from builtin sub in the center.

If i go with CLR-2002 and bp6 has front main, is it ok without a separate sub (ofcourse, it would be good to have one).

Originally Posted by badgerpilot

If you are thinking of upgrade paths, I would highly recommend the CLR2000 or the CLR1000b with the larger mids. You can find nice used ones on ebay and audiogon. Here is a nice looking CLR2000 that would also save you some cash and have a much nicer center. I've had the CLR2300 (I am assuming also that you are talking about the CLR2300), the CLR2002, and now have the CLR1000b. The larger drivers make a very nice difference IMO plus they will match the 700x's that you get down the road. The BP6's will work for surrounds if you have the room. I like the BPX's which work nicely for me.

Originally Posted by holyhd

Thanks for your input, BADGERPILOT.

Looks like CLR2000 & clr1000b is no longer available in retail store or online (except ebay, autdiogon etc). I will keep my option open for ur suggestion.

Originally Posted by s7r53l

hmm, is this a good deal, or is it just me...
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ology-BP-Syste

Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos

I think it was me that sent you the wiring schematic. I took a part one of my 7001 towers to see how they were wired (up top anyway) and then verified with chet what the schematic was for the bpvx's and that it was the same in the 7000, 7001 series. In addition to that I have been rockin my homemade bpvx's for 4 months now and couldn't be happier

The only "problem" I've had that I might warn you about is that I recently acquired an audio test dvd and discovered that when I ran a 100-20 hz sweep to each of my bpvx's it revealed that a couple of my 6.5's were not seated all the way. That is there was air leaks and it served like a baffle thus the cabinet was not sealed, I could actually feel air moving around the "leaky" drivers and it made the speaker sound almost like it was blown. Now I know that the frequencies mentioned in my sweep aren't generally run to the bpvx's but I was only using it as a test to reveal the problem because it was a lot easier to diagnose with the low frequency sounds. I was not aware of this because they had not been tested so scrupulously before and it really made the sound output weak. So I just made sure to get all the drivers seated properly and continued repeating the test signal and once sealed the output cleaned and tightened right up and they have been magnificent.

Hopefully you have less trouble!

Incidentally, my homemade bpvx's ended up costing about $220 each. $200 for drivers and I didn't buy cabinets, sock, or endcaps but made my own cabinets from 3/4" mdf and my wife sowed up some homemade speaker cover material that I can just velcro onto the back. When all put together they look 98% as good as the real deal.

Originally Posted by badgerpilot

Here's a couple of pictures on how the BPX's turned out and the front stage with the CLR1000b and the 7004's. The CLR used to be in the gap above the TV but I have a 106" Dalite screen that hangs in front when we want to watch a movie. Still need to finish the room with some crown molding.
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Originally Posted by badgerpilot

Nooooo, I only repainted the end caps When I purchased them they where the cherry ones. I wish I could take credit for building them

Originally Posted by holyhd

Agree on subwoofer.

Is it ok to have just front LR channel (2xBP6) without center. Obviously, with the subwoofer.

I have Denon AVR-487 receiver, which I plan to upgrade to pioneer (IF required) sometime later.

Primary use will be Movies, Cable and Music.

Thanks for ur time.

Originally Posted by holyhd

Agree on subwoofer.

Is it ok to have just front LR channel (2xBP6) without center. Obviously, with the subwoofer.

I have Denon AVR-487 receiver, which I plan to upgrade to pioneer (IF required) sometime later.

Primary use will be Movies, Cable and Music.

Thanks for ur time.

Originally Posted by otk

whenever there's a def tech vs. brand X thread. someone always chimes in with the old "oh i heard those speakers and they sounded muddy to me"

how come i can't hear this mud they are talking about ?

i always get the feeling people are just making it up or playing "follow the leader". i see a billion times "oh they're great for theater but not music"

if they are hearing "mud" then something must be wrong with the way they were set up at the dealer. they weren't placed properly or aimed in properly or calibrated properly. someone could have been playing around with the sub section volume knob or they could have been at a magnolia where the towers were up against a wall and spaced 20 feet apart

these people who makes these posts always tend to be people "who have heard them" but not actually lived with and tweaked and calibrated properly in their own listening environment

Originally Posted by otk

whenever there's a def tech vs. brand X thread. someone always chimes in with the old "oh i heard those speakers and they sounded muddy to me"

how come i can't hear this mud they are talking about ?

i always get the feeling people are just making it up or playing "follow the leader". i see a billion times "oh they're great for theater but not music"

if they are hearing "mud" then something must be wrong with the way they were set up at the dealer. they weren't placed properly or aimed in properly or calibrated properly. someone could have been playing around with the sub section volume knob or they could have been at a magnolia where the towers were up against a wall and spaced 20 feet apart

these people who makes these posts always tend to be people "who have heard them" but not actually lived with and tweaked and calibrated properly in their own listening environment

Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy

So who wants to be the one to help me identify if i blew some/most/all 5 1/4"'s in my 7002's?

I've noticed that when listening to things, mainly today, yesterday, something like that. That things don't sound quite right. Bass is still nice and tight, as it should be. But if I'm listening to the thunder in the opening of the Dire Straits song "brothers in arms", I can hear alot of distortion. It's hard to explain it. Never heard it before, doesn't sound right. Anyone give any insight?

Also, any idea how this happened? I would like to have some questions figured out before I go to chet. Something tells me this won't be covered under warranty, and from looking at bajawaverunner on ebay a new 5 1/4 is about $25-$50. Thanks guys. Lets hope for the best on this one.

Originally Posted by g_bartman

I would replay the thunder at moderate volume with my ear in front of each driver to see if I could isolate the bad one(s). If it is more than one in the same cabinet, I would switch the l/r speaker wires to make sure it's not the amp.

Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy

Alright, I THINK it was the soundcard in my PC creating the distortion. I changed some settings for the soundcard and it seems to be gone. I'm happy that I can't hear anything, I played a BD and couldn't hear any of the distortion I was talking about. It must have just been in the PC.

You can be sure that I'll have my elephant ears on and analyzing every sound I hear until I'm satisfied that's what it was, but for now it seems like the distortion in the thunder is gone after changing some settings. I'm starting to understand why some of the guys build dedicated 2 channel setups now.

Originally Posted by otk

so "9" had some pretty incredible bass and sound effects

anyone else check it out yet ?

Originally Posted by g_bartman

I watched about the first 30 minutes. The pq and aq, especially the lf, were first rate. I have trouble sitting through movies that have weak story lines which was the case here imo.

Originally Posted by headedforhighend

Do you run just music through a PC?

"I'm starting to understand why some of the guys build dedicated 2 channel setups now."
I was wondering what you were referring to.
Are you considering a separate digital to analog converter (DAC) between your PC and amp?

Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy

HFHE,

Yes, I just run a cable from the PC to the receiver. I know absolutely nothing about DAC's, in fact, I didn't know what the letters stood for until just now.

I had a hum that generated from the computer or my tv, I run VGA to the tv. After putting my tv and pc on my power conditioner the hum is nearly gone. I cannot find another way to run my audio to my receiver. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you for your responses.

Originally Posted by NiceguyEdy

HFHE,

Yes, I just run a cable from the PC to the receiver. I know absolutely nothing about DAC's, in fact, I didn't know what the letters stood for until just now.

I had a hum that generated from the computer or my tv, I run VGA to the tv. After putting my tv and pc on my power conditioner the hum is nearly gone. I cannot find another way to run my audio to my receiver. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you for your responses.

Originally Posted by schroedk

There are quite a number of different ways to accomplish computer to receiver connections, which can be free (what you've done) to thousands of dollars. Obviously, the quickest and cheapest is what you've done. To better address your question, give me a little more feedback on your setup.

1) Do you have a desktop or laptop where all of your music is stored? In the same room or a different room? Is it well-organized in folders, or spread all over the place? What format do you have your music in, MP3, Flac, Ogg, WAV, AAC?
2) Do you have any networking in place, i.e. ethernet switches, cat5e runs, etc.?
3) What kind of internet connection do you have, DSL, Cable, etc? Does the modem for your internet have ethernet connections on the back?

Answers to those questions will get us started on some different options for you. In my experience, ethernet runs directly to the streaming device is much better than wireless, although wireless will work.

Let's see what we've got to work with in your setup first.