Definitive Owners Thread - Page 568

I would recommend you at least look into Elemental designs. I just bought from them and have been following their thread. Most of their line is a bit large (mine's over 4 feet tall and weighs 400lbs!) but that allows them to sell top performers at quite reasonable prices. It seems they can outperform most any comparably priced sub quite readily. Sorry, I'm not trying to sound like a commercial, I just couldn't be happier with my eD and for $1000 they can literally bring your house down!

I am thinking about upgrading to the 600/800's from my HTIB. I am looking at the 1000 for the center, 800's for the front and 600's for the surround...would that work ok together? Not sure about the sub. Also the fronts and center would be enclosed in a built in entertainment center...the rear's would be wall mounted.

Thanks

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And that's exactly why I'm waiting it out until a somewhat 5-yr proof pre/pro comes out that works according to specs and shows little to no handshaking/bank-breaking/fire-alarming issues.

If I'm desperate for the latest and greatest I might just go with a lower budget receiver that has pre-outs a la Onkyo just so I can make use of the Sunfire amp...7x200W of power just sitting waiting to be let loose... (sniff!)

Hey Mike.
I would like to blindly say that you would be happy with this , but I can't really know that for sure.
I will say that your selections would all play together well and they are good choices.
I would like to help more, so if you don't mind a few questions;
Are you purchasing this all at one time or stretching it out a little?
Are you buying from a retail outlet or some other seller?
Would you consider buying used with no manf. warranty or do you prefer an authorized distributor?
Do you have a budget in mind?
You like Floorstanding speakers, but would you consider the Studio Monitor series or the ProMonitor 1000 setup?

Lets make sure you get a setup that's a whole lot better than the one the ex got

Very happy with the sealed dual 15" Epik Empire, more a tight mid bass performer than how low can you go ported sub. Very clean with plenty of output. The sub world is new to me but for $799 price/performance, I thought it was a steal and have no regrets. Definitely added some HT slam and a fuller crisp bass to music previously missing from the 7001's.

I had planned on purchasing the above all at once. I'm doing a fair amount of house work and have to buy some furniture and everything. So the surround sound is a bit of a splurge for me so I'll be purchasing new in the store (6th avenue seems likely). I'd like to keep it under 2500 for the speakers + sub .

Quite frankly I don't have phenomnal ears for this type of thing and I mainly plan to use for movies/tv. Music may be like 5% of usage.

Ultimately I just want something that sounds good for movies. My experience with the polks show I don't need to go over 2500 for sure to get that. The definitive pro cinemas I have heard in perosn sounded great.

Also I do like floorstanding speakers and with the layout I could not put the left/right fronts on the wall anyway so would be getting stands.

I actually considered paradigm millenia 200 on sale right now but the rears are crazy expensive and the center would be troublesome to hook up since it's a 3 in 1 speaker.

Thanks for the help.

I consoled myself by driving driving 130 miles round trip, spending $500.00 cash, and bringing home a pair of BP-30s. Except for some small snags in the socks, they're just fine. How's that sound?

That's not too bad, but that's what I got mine for shipped to me .

If it's any consolation, though, I would gladly have driven twice as far as you for that price to get a pair of BP30's.

+1

i love driving anyway

Your selections should work well in that size of room.
Buying from an authorized dealer is certainly the best way to go, but should you consider living a little dangerous and risk security for substantial reward, you might consider used.
Examples;
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ology-BP-2004-
http://cgi.ebay.com/Definitive-BP-20...item335c73b554

Nice pick-up.
What's your setup looking like now?

Main-Sony KDS 50A3000, Denon AVR 2309CI, PS3, BP30 L&R, CLR1000B, BPX (working on BPVX's)sides, SM450 rears, Supercube I.

Basement-Denon AVR 688, BP30 L&R, CLR2000, SM350(might replace with BPX's or SM450's) rear, Supercube III. I don't even have a tv down there yet

Whoa...
I remember responding to a post of yours a long time ago about matching surrounds with your SM350 mains
You've become one of those audio geeks.

Great progress on the dual setups.
I have a feeling you have something really impressive in your plans

You and every co-conspirator on this forum are to blame!

Four PM800's and a PC1000 would be a nice setup. Huge improvement over most HTiB systems. The subwoofer that came with the HTiB should be upgraded as well. The PM600 are a little too small IMO. You would be forced to use too high of crossover and develop some localization issues.

Thanks. I'm going to go into the store and listen to them first hand. I had planned to put the speakers on a cc for a few months but maybe I'll put something else on if used is that much cheaper for higher quality.

Ahh well I guess I need to go shopping.

You win I am constantly on the lookout for some 30's in my area. The funny thing is, the UPS guy comes walking up on Friday with a box that in no way could hold a CLR1000b. I opened it up and found a Mythos 7 center speaker I emailed the seller and he called me back in about 5 minutes! He said they had been wondering what had happened to it! So I packed it back up and sent it off to the guy who won that auction, the 1000b should arrive on Tuesday But yeah, I would take those 30's in a heartbeat. I like to drive too

Oh, and I had to hook up the mythos 7 to compare to my 1000b. It actually is not a bad center, but it doesn't come close to the 1000b

I would agree as well. See my previous post! The 7004's are a great speaker, and $700 for that package is awesome! You can always sell the 2002 someday when you find a nice used CLR1000b or CLR2000 and you will come out on the plus side there! Used is a great way to go.

Hello,

I have a pair of Def Tech StudioMonitor 350's I want to use as rear surrounds. The house we just moved into has wiring for speakers etc throughout the house. In the "greatroom" the rear speakers drops are mounted about 8' off the floor above two windows. So I want to mount these speakers on the wall and angle them slightly down. In calling Def Tech, they recommended Omnimount, has anyone use their mounts for the Studiomonitors and which one? I know they make a pretty good mount, its the backplate that I'm not sure about.

Thanks

Okay guys have a question and need some advice (instead of giving it) Story goes that a few years ago, I buy a pair of DT BP7001s and get them home and on one of the towers, the sub doesnt work. So I contact Chet and he sets me up immediatly with a new amp and driver. Chet says to keep the driver and just send in the amp. Turns out it was the amp, so for two years now, I have head this beasty 10" driver sitting in a box nagging me to do something with it.

I thought of going the DIY route and buying a box and amp and putting the driver to good use, but never got around to it. So yesterday I am at Ultimate and they have a Prosub 1000 open box sitting around. So I talk them down to 350.00 knowing full well I'm going to toss away the driver and install this 22 pound driver instead.

My purpose of this prosub is to use it as a mid bass module which means it will be hooked up to my center channel only and only be used from 40-80Hz (crossover in the prosub series are fixed at 80Hz using high pass speaker connections). I have a prosub 800 that was currently be used as MBM on my center but as mentioned this driver was sitting in a box calling to me. my question is will adding the way more powerful driver harm the amp section in the prosub 1000. I have already tested it on the bass heavy movie "Avatar" and it flew with flying colors and worked great as a MBM. I find DT subs don't work well set to large hence why using it as a MBM and letting my SVS PB12/2 handle the real low end. But still have that nagging feeling that I may be working that amp harder with the heavier driver and much larger magnet than the stock prosub 1000 driver, but since I am using this as a mid bass mdoule feel I should be safe.....right?

The 10" driver found on the BP7001s as well as the SC1 is actually a tad larger (and way heavier) than the 10" driver in the prosub so I had to get out the sander and enlarge the opening just a hair to have the driver easily slide in, but once done the driver is very airtight and as mentioned sounds great.

BTW for anyone who hasnt looked inside a Prosub man are their built in amps well made the torriadial transformer in this thing is bigger than the one in my Denon 4802 just huge and comes with two 10,000 uf caps in it. DT claims that the amp is 300 watts RMS and can achieve peaks of 750 watt and after looking at the amp built in I believe it. btw for those wondering or who even care, I moved the Prosub 800 to help the midrange of my rear channel mythos gem speakers and now they can go down to 50hz without any problem.

Sorry so long and thanks for nay advice on replacing a driver on a sub with a more powerful one and if any problems may occur becasue of this. My other concern is the driver I'm now using is usually in a much larger enclosure (7001 or SC1) and the Prosub 1000 is slightly smaller but does use the passive radiator design, should I be concerned with this also considering I'm not asking the sub to reach real low.

EDIT after looking at the diminsions of the Supercube and the Prosub there's not too much difference, The SC is 14 1/4" W X 14 1/4" D X 14 1/10" H and the Prosub is 12" W X 17 7/8" D X 14 7/16 H and the both use 250 watt slo blo fuses.

Oops one more thing, looks like the cabinet size isnt that much of an issue. The supercube has an internal space of 1.172ft3 as compared to the Prosub which is at 1.31ft3 so looks like cabinet size inst going to be an issue especially since both are passive radiator designed. Seems odd to me that the Prosub would be slightly larger space but it isnt cubed like the SC1 is and has a greater depth, but am still curious about the amp and if any damage may occur.

only thing i would worry about is the impedance of the driver

make sure there's not a situation where the ohms of the pro sub driver isn't 8 ohm and the 7001 driver 4 ohm (that just for example, i have no clue what the actual impedance is of either driver)

if they both match then there shouldn't be a huge problem. i'm sure the 7001 driver is designed to require much more power (1500 watts vs. 300) but since you're only using it for mid-bass that shouldn't be a big issue

i remember asking chet over at def tech a while back about replacing the drivers in my powerfields and he was able to tell me that my subs use 4 ohm drivers so you might want to ask him about the swap

the other thing to look at is where the passive radiators are tuned to. but that shouldn't be a huge issue if they are tuned different (and i'm sure they would be) but i might ask anyway if there would be an issue with that

i take it you're going to run your center speaker through the subwoofer's high-level input/outputs ?

Not a bad deal here for some BPX's. Use Bing Cash Back and it comes down to almost 50% off retail. Not bad. It looks like you'll need to refinish the end caps but that's not hard. Pick up some black lacquer spray paint from HD. That's what I did for mine.

Sorry for responding late.

First, are these the only speaker selections to work with?
Yes, but do u see any issues or have any recommendation. Basically I want to have 5.1 for one side and 2.1 for the other side (rear of 5.1 will becomes front L/R).

Are you still deciding between flat panel or projector setup?

Yes, infact my complication is to have both sharing the same speaker set, like i mentioned above.

Do you have a budget number in mind?
i could get good deals on the speaker. i will upgrade my receiver (denon avr-487) later.

Would the budget include a sub or other components such as receiver or BDP?
Already have a sub but will upgrade to SVS later

Which would you prefer; BP tower or direct radiating monitor?
i am impressed with BP tower (BP6). Good deals too. I plan to use it as my front L/R for majority viewing. Rear will by SM450, which will become front L/R for projector. As i live in apartment, most of the time, i will be using 5.1 during daytime and 2.1 (projector) in the evening (after 9pm, no big audio

So, my question is how to share the rear of 5.1 speaker as front L/R (dual setup). My receiver's has A/B functionality but "B" seems to be a separate connection (like, to a separate speaker). but i want to "share" the speaker.

After thinking about what you're proposing , I don't see how you can do that within the same setup in the same room. I suppose using an A/B switching scheme would somehow work, but not without receiver setup manipulation each time you switch from one sound stage to another.

Running 7 channel stereo may have possibilities though. The sub would be okay, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice surround sound though.

Using the projector screen in front of/ or within the same area as your flatpanel could save millions of brain cells from popping just trying to figure out how to do it the other way.

I am using the BP2004 towers for fronts. CLR2002 for center and BP6B for rears. in a 5.1 Config. Although the BP2004 is supposed to have a powered subwoofer , I think the low bass could be much better if I used an ext sub and set all the speakers to small . What subwoofers would you recommend to augment the system? Thanks

otk, yes the only way to make this sub work for center channel only is to use the high pass filter on the sub then from the sub to the center. I checked DT website and no such indication on ohms, but would assume that they would both be 4 ohm, but will email chet to get verification. Thanks for your post.

Nice setup sportflyer.
Adding external sub/s would take your setup to another level. That's for sure

The powered woofer in the BP2004 extends the bass response nicely, but you're right... it will never dwell deep into the low frequencies that are more and more prominent in movie tracks today.

Since timbre matching is of no concern when integrating a sub into a surround system, your choices not only include the SC1, Reference, and Trinity from the Def Tech line, but also includes all sub manufacturers.
Just to name a few:
HSU
Paradigm
Rel
Elemental Designs
SVS
Rythmik
Velodyne
Epik
You need only to determine budget and output levels you want to achieve then a little research and you'll soon have one in your sights.

It's not unusual for those of us with powered towers to run another sub (or 3) What is your budget and room size?

The BP2004s do quite well with music but they fall a bit short when playing movies. I will have to settle for one sub only due to placement constraints. The room is however fairly large. The system is set up in the family room that opens to the kitchen and bfast nook area with no walls . I like to keep the cost to less than $ 600 if possible . There are so many to chose from that I am at a lost where to start.

I am also wondering how to set the speakers up if I include an external sub. Set everything to small ? Which means that I will not be utilizing the Bp2004 subs at all ?