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post #1711 of 30951
Nice new review - I've been tossing around the idea of getting rid of my MK 150THX setup for a 7000sc setup. Anyone do this?

http://www.avrev.com/equip/definitiv...00sc_speakers/
post #1712 of 30951
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

Joey,
I wish we could have spent the time setting it up. What you want to do is set the 7004s to large, do not run the LFE cable to any of the front speakers. Tell the receiver you have a sub and run the LFE cable from your subout on your receiver to the the supercube so it can handle LFE duties only (and corner load it if possible). Set the BP2X surrounds to small with an initial crossover of 80. Try 60 (or 70 if you have increments of 10). Experiment with the center channel setting it to large and small with a crossover of 80 then 60 (or 70 if you have it in increments of 10). I believe in your receiver, you only have one crossover setting for small. Call me if you have any questions.


So thi is the same way I had my Energy 5.1 set up. I'll do the same for my Def Techs. Just one last question: Do the towers and center need to be plugged in if I'm not running the LFE signals to them? I'm not sure if they need to be powered regardless of how they are connected.

Thanks,
Joe
post #1713 of 30951
I'm new to this crossover function. What is it's purpose as far as my speakers are concerned? I have the 7006's as my mains and have them set to Large. Right now the crossover for the fronts are set to 60. I am using some old stereo speakers right now(haven't got my surrounds yet) and have them set to small with a crossover of 80. Do I have this backwards. My center is a ProCenter1000 and I have it set to small w/ a crossover of 60.
post #1714 of 30951
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Originally Posted by joeyvaz View Post

So thi is the same way I had my Energy 5.1 set up. I'll do the same for my Def Techs. Just one last question: Do the towers and center need to be plugged in if I'm not running the LFE signals to them? I'm not sure if they need to be powered regardless of how they are connected.

Thanks,
Joe

A bigtime YES !!!
post #1715 of 30951
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Originally Posted by matti View Post

Nice new review - I've been tossing around the idea of getting rid of my MK 150THX setup for a 7000sc setup. Anyone do this?

http://www.avrev.com/equip/definitiv...00sc_speakers/

If anyone cares to go back and look at my posts over the years, you'll note that I state time and time again that the soundstage on the 7000SC coupled with the BPVX for surrounds is almost impossible to beat for home theater, and I';ve had many speakers come through my showroom. Its huge and it extends all around you - it can't be described but the reviewer does a good job. Its as if I wrote that article.

From the Article:
"The BP7000SCs' soundstage is second to none. If given space, and they do need space, the BP7000SCs' soundstage can and will best my longstanding reference, the Magnepan 3.6s. Not only did the BP7000SCs' soundstage extend further and wider than the 3.6s had, they had a firmer grip on the music even in the furthest reaches of their capabilities then the 3.6s could ever hope to achieve."
post #1716 of 30951
Anyone use the UIW BP/A as inceiling rear surrounds?

From what I've been reading most of you are using BPX / 2X / VX etc...
Because of the configuration of my theater area (no wall on the left side, only a 6" soffit) I can't mount a BPX / 2X / VX etc...

I would like to hear from some people who are using an inceiling rear with their BP 7xxx towers.

I have the BP 7004, C/L/R 2002, Denon 2807. I'm trying desparately to complete my setup. I've considered the SpeakerCraft Aim 8 Two.
Please feel free to comment
Thanks in advance
post #1717 of 30951
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Originally Posted by HisHeirness23 View Post

Thanks for the response! I figured that if I had a good processor or even a good receiver that I would be able to get great sound regardless. My apartment's living room is not an ideal viewing area by any means, but I am really looking forward to getting a great sounding system that won't be too expensive. I just thought that these guys would perform well given the situation.

How exactly do you have your system placed? I am looking at how mine will be set up, and I am worried that by having the Pro Center 2000 underneath the television (about 1 foot off of the ground) that it will diminish the sound quality a great deal. Although, I have heard that the Pro Center 2000 does feature an adjustable screw that can angle the center channel upward to accommodate for such instances. The surrounds are also an area of concern as my couch is placed right up against the rear wall. I would have to have the the surrounds right beside the couch, or move the couch to within 6-8 feet of my 40" XBR2 which I am afraid would be nauseating. Thanks again, and if you don't mind, I might be asking you more questions as I am SERIOUSLY considering this package.

We've almost the exact same listening room, from the sound of it. My sofa is centered on the back wall, approx. 9 feet from the 40" Sammy. I can't move it any closer or off the back wall for lots of reasons. I have the surrounds mounted on the wall at a above ear level, tilted down, and I used the autosetup on the Onkyo. My sub is in the front left corner, and my front monitors are equidistant from the screen (maybe 5') and are right at ear level, one on an open bookshelf and one on a DefTech stand. I wish I could have them both on stands, but can't do it right now unless I want to find a new location for a bunch of media and my HTPC.

As for the center, I had to put it above the screen, and there is a screw on the back that will tilt it downward, but I'm not sure if it there is a way to get it positioned upward--there may be screws on the front for this, but it's not in front of me so I can't check right now.
post #1718 of 30951
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Originally Posted by mshawn View Post

Anyone use the UIW BP/A as inceiling rear surrounds?

From what I've been reading most of you are using BPX / 2X / VX etc...
Because of the configuration of my theater area (no wall on the left side, only a 6" soffit) I can't mount a BPX / 2X / VX etc...

I would like to hear from some people who are using an inceiling rear with their BP 7xxx towers.

I have the BP 7004, C/L/R 2002, Denon 2807. I'm trying desparately to complete my setup. I've considered the SpeakerCraft Aim 8 Two.
Please feel free to comment
Thanks in advance

I have a pair of the UIW BPZ/A (big brother to the BP/A) mounted in an angled ceiling (approx at a 9 ft height). I am presently using them with direct radiating Paradigm front speakers. I mounted them fairly wide in relation to my large couch and they sound great. Because of the bipolar design, they offer both a diffuse and direct effect if you mount them nearer the outside limits of your listening area. I would imagine they would be a very good match with the 7004's .At one point I had them running as stereo main speakers and they sounded really good with surprising bass. The mounting system is really easy and the binding posts are of good quality. Definitely recommended.
post #1719 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jimkell View Post

I have a pair of the UIW BPZ/A (big brother to the BP/A) mounted in an angled ceiling (approx at a 9 ft height). I am presently using them with direct radiating Paradigm front speakers. I mounted them fairly wide in relation to my large couch and they sound great. Because of the bipolar design, they offer both a diffuse and direct effect if you mount them nearer the outside limits of your listening area. I would imagine they would be a very good match with the 7004's .At one point I had them running as stereo main speakers and they sounded really good with surprising bass. The mounting system is really easy and the binding posts are of good quality. Definitely recommended.

Thanks a lot.
I've been going back and forth between a bipolar rear vs a pivoting rear surround. My ceiling is 7' on one side of the seating area and 7.5' on the other side of the seating area (finishing my basement) I will probably go with these (UIW BP/A) being they have the same size driver as the BP7004s.
Thanks again
post #1720 of 30951
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Originally Posted by mshawn View Post

Thanks a lot.
I've been going back and forth between a bipolar rear vs a pivoting rear surround. My ceiling is 7' on one side of the seating area and 7.5' on the other side of the seating area (finishing my basement) I will probably go with these (UIW BP/A) being they have the same size driver as the BP7004s.
Thanks again


I'm sure you have thought of this but make sure you run your wires (leave alot of extra on each end) before you put up your walls and ceilings.
post #1721 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jimkell View Post

I'm sure you have thought of this but make sure you run your wires (leave alot of extra on each end) before you put up your walls and ceilings.

Yup
Actually they've been run, just waiting on a speaker to connect to them
Along with waiting on other things to complete the basement

Thanks
post #1722 of 30951
Thread Starter 


Well long story short, I have been having problems with my Yamah receiver and well it died a few days ago.

I decided to order a Sony STR-DG800 and it came today.

I must say that time and time again Sony always impresses me. I have had (knocks on wood) alot great experience with their stuff. DVD players, and receivers alike.

So far the Auto calibration was fun, it did make some mistake but they were easily correctable. I had to rest it so that my PM200s and DIY Center were set to small and a 60Hz cross over. The receiver also set my front left channel +2 more which i back down to neutral.

The advancements in surround clarity and quality are really noticeable too.

Anyone considering this or the upcoming STR-DG810/910 go ahead and ask me some questions etc.

~Bobby
post #1723 of 30951
Here is the set up I want please comment:

Front 7004
Surrounds bp1.2x

I will be running 5.1 in a 500 sq ft room the questions I have are:

1. clr2002 or clr2300 I am trying to avoid buying a sub due to space. Will the 2300 produce a lot more bass when watching movies or should I just buy the 2002.

2. Are the bp1.2x a good match for the 7004s

3. What receivers are you running...I have been looking at the hrt-6090 thoughts or suggestions welcome. Ipod dock a must and would really like to have hdmi for the future.

Thanks in advance for advice/suggestions
post #1724 of 30951
Thread Starter 
Hay Alf1096, welcome to the Deftech thread,

My recommendation is

BP7004
BP2X - Fuller Surounds that closer match the 7004s
CLR2300 - which can be set to large and take on some of the bass duties and help alot when no sub can be added.

For receiver Check ou the Sony STR-DG1000 a bit more flexible then the Yamaha and since my faith in Yamaha has sorely shaken as of late (see above). I am impressed with the STR-DG800 but feel with the larger towers and rears not to mention center.

The DG1000 will also be easier to match up components like Sony TVs and Blu-Ray, etc.

Best iPOD dock is the DLO HomeDock I hear its less buggy then receivers. The only receiver witha built in thats worth a damn is the Pioneer Elite VSX-82TXVi but its about same money as the DG1000+ DLO Dock

~Bobby
post #1725 of 30951
Alf1096,

I own the 2300 along with the 2006s and 1.2xs. I would bump the center up to the 2500 first for the best front sound stage, if it fits. I don't have space for it now. Then I would bump the rears to the 2x.
post #1726 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by alf1096 View Post

Here is the set up I want please comment:

Front 7004
Surrounds bp1.2x

I will be running 5.1 in a 500 sq ft room the questions I have are:

1. clr2002 or clr2300 I am trying to avoid buying a sub due to space. Will the 2300 produce a lot more bass when watching movies or should I just buy the 2002.

2. Are the bp1.2x a good match for the 7004s

3. What receivers are you running...I have been looking at the hrt-6090 thoughts or suggestions welcome. Ipod dock a must and would really like to have hdmi for the future.

Thanks in advance for advice/suggestions


Hey Alf, My opinion/answers, which everyone may or may not agree with....

1. clr2002 or clr2300 I am trying to avoid buying a sub due to space. Will the 2300 produce a lot more bass when watching movies or should I just buy the 2002.

I have the clr2300 - and it is a good speaker. But don't expect the clr to anchor the bass of your HT system. The towers will be 99% of the bass.


2. Are the bp1.2x a good match for the 7004s
I have BP2Xs to match with my 7006s. I prefer that well balanced surround sound (ie. more power from the rear speakers). You will probably be fine with the 1.2Xs. If you are like me I set the rears +4dBs from my fronts.


3. What receivers are you running...I have been looking at the hrt-6090 thoughts or suggestions welcome. Ipod dock a must and would really like to have hdmi for the future.

I have a Denon 2807...in love.
post #1727 of 30951
Hi,
I am planning out a DefTech purchase. I went to Magnolia at Best Buy with the intension to purchase a set of Klipsch towers, but these just blew them away! I am planning on getting a set of BP7002 towers with a Klipsch 12" Ref sub and start with a 2.1 setup. I plan on adding the Deftech Mythos Rears later and also a Deftech center. I will be using this system for 90% music 10% HT.

Will these speaker work well in my room? I am not sure if it is big enough to benefit from the bipolar technology. The room is a goofy shape because of the walk in closet that bulges out. My space is pretty limited too. I have a diagram of my room attached with some possible locations for the 7002s.

Also, what receiver would you recommend? I was looking at a Pioneer Elite that was $1200. It had an output of 130wpc. But, since I won't be using all the video processors, I don't feel like paying the extra money for it. Another option for power is to keep my Yamaha HTR-5830 and then purchasing 2 Niles Amplifiers to give 300wX2 for the 7002s. What would sound best?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!
LL
post #1728 of 30951
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Originally Posted by Aaronmi View Post

Hi,
I am planning out a DefTech purchase. I went to Magnolia at Best Buy with the intension to purchase a set of Klipsch towers, but these just blew them away! I am planning on getting a set of BP7002 towers with a Klipsch 12" Ref sub and start with a 2.1 setup. I plan on adding the Deftech Mythos Rears later and also a Deftech center. I will be using this system for 90% music 10% HT.

Will these speaker work well in my room? I am not sure if it is big enough to benefit from the bipolar technology. The room is a goofy shape because of the walk in closet that bulges out. My space is pretty limited too. I have a diagram of my room attached with some possible locations for the 7002s.

Also, what receiver would you recommend? I was looking at a Pioneer Elite that was $1200. It had an output of 130wpc. But, since I won't be using all the video processors, I don't feel like paying the extra money for it. Another option for power is to keep my Yamaha HTR-5830 and then purchasing 2 Niles Amplifiers to give 300wX2 for the 7002s. What would sound best?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
THANKS!

Thats a small room.....from what I've read from others here is that you might not need the sub along with the BP's, especially with that small of a room. You must be in an apartment? You may want to consider the good neighbor factor of having a ton of bass...
People who have experimented with the BP's can problably answer you question about the oddly arranged room better than I can.
I really like my Pio Elite 84, and the Mythos speakers. It produces superbly clear sound for my ears. If you dont need all of the video switching, you can get one of the lower end Elites, or possibly even the 1016 (or is it 1017 now?). You loose a few watts per channel, but I'm sure it will provide good sound. I personally would recommend any recieve that offers the auto channel level set up (like Pioneers MCAAC). I beleive it is at least 50% of the improvement in my system.
post #1729 of 30951
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Originally Posted by matti View Post

Nice new review - I've been tossing around the idea of getting rid of my MK 150THX setup for a 7000sc setup. Anyone do this?

http://www.avrev.com/equip/definitiv...00sc_speakers/

Can't comment on how they would compare to your setup but have to second ADZ, good and accurate review. I have the 7001's, (10" & 1500W vs 14" & 1800W sub) love em for 2-channel listening and can't wait to complete with matching surrounds. From review... "Moving up the spectrum, Norah's vocals were as pristine as ever. The BP7000SC's tweeter is nearly without rival in terms of air, extension and ultimate sweetness. I tend to shy away from aluminum tweeters as, more often than not, they are brittle and can become harsh at louder volumes. Well, the BP7000SC's tweeter doesn't fall into this camp. It only gets better with more volume".... "The BP7000SCs can image in a ways that defy their large stature, seemingly disappearing, leaving only music and one hell of a center image behind. The BP7000SCs' soundstage is second to none. If given space, and they do need space...." Space along with clean adequate power reveals their strength and charachter.
post #1730 of 30951
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Originally Posted by matti View Post

Nice new review - I've been tossing around the idea of getting rid of my MK 150THX setup for a 7000sc setup. Anyone do this?

http://www.avrev.com/equip/definitiv...00sc_speakers/


I have compared the 7000SC to the 7001SC extensively having had both in my showroom for several months at the same time. The 7000SC is a full step-up -- it does everything that the 70001 does, but bigger and better. It has a much larger cabinet to allow those same-sized drivers to breathe, and the sub is the one in their SC Reference cube (there is a very noticeable difference between the 14" and 10"). But as Rweeb points out, you need a serious amp -- I recommend at least 200wpc, and on a dollar per watt basis, I like to pair it with the Earthquake CineNova. You also need a decent sized room but I prefer no more than 12-14" out from the wall.
post #1731 of 30951
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I'm new to this crossover function. What is it's purpose as far as my speakers are concerned? I have the 7006's as my mains and have them set to Large. Right now the crossover for the fronts are set to 60. I am using some old stereo speakers right now(haven't got my surrounds yet) and have them set to small with a crossover of 80. Do I have this backwards. My center is a ProCenter1000 and I have it set to small w/ a crossover of 60.


If you have your 7006's set to LARGE then they are getting the full bandwidth of frequencies sent to them. The only way the x-over points get engaged is to have them set to SMALL. I used to own a pair of 2006's (older version of the 7006's) and to be honest... I found that they sounded best set to SMALL x-over at either 40Hz or 60Hz. I let my dedicated sub take care of everything else including the LFE channel. Just my 2 cents.
post #1732 of 30951
Hey Guy's, this may not be appropriate but if it isn't I figure you'll tell me. I have a larger space for the HT now and I have 6 Mythos 4 and a Mythos 3 for sale. However, I have no idea of what they are worth on the market. They are about 9 months old. Could you direct me to a place where I might get an idea of their street value?

Thanks.
post #1733 of 30951
Quote:


We've almost the exact same listening room, from the sound of it. My sofa is centered on the back wall, approx. 9 feet from the 40" Sammy. I can't move it any closer or off the back wall for lots of reasons. I have the surrounds mounted on the wall at a above ear level, tilted down, and I used the autosetup on the Onkyo. My sub is in the front left corner, and my front monitors are equidistant from the screen (maybe 5') and are right at ear level, one on an open bookshelf and one on a DefTech stand. I wish I could have them both on stands, but can't do it right now unless I want to find a new location for a bunch of media and my HTPC.

As for the center, I had to put it above the screen, and there is a screw on the back that will tilt it downward, but I'm not sure if it there is a way to get it positioned upward--there may be screws on the front for this, but it's not in front of me so I can't check right now.

If you could check your center channel speaker and see if the screw will allow for an upward tilt, that would be fantastic! I find myself more and more enthusiastic about this setup with every reply! I just can't wait to see how these will look in my viewing area!
post #1734 of 30951
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Originally Posted by RudyR1999 View Post

New Def Tech owner.

I have just finnished setting up my Anthem D2 and the Def Techs sound wonderfull.

My System...
Samsung HLS5688W
Anthem D2
Anthem A5
MonsterPower 5100 MKII
Definitive Speakers- 2x BP7001SC, CLR3000, 2x BPVX
Oppo DV-970HD
SA 8300HD DVR - Cable Box
Blue Jeans Cable - HDMI, speaker, subwoofer

I am seeking input from DefTech owners that have experience with integrating Anthem AVM-50 with their speakers. Searching yielded the above post by RudyR1999 and my system is substantially similar -

I have the following speakers in a 5.1 setup:

Fronts - BP7000SC (bi-wired line level connection with NO LFE connection)
Center - CLR3000 (bi-wired line level connection with NO LFE connection)
Surrounds - BPVX/P

Outboard subwoofer - Velodyne DD-18

Amplifier - Bryston 9BSST (connected to AVM-50 using balanced XLR interconnects)

Any input from how to properly categorize the speakers (small/large) to specific settings as a starting point will be appreciated.

The rest of my system:

Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player (1080i - HDMI) --> Anthem AVM50 --> TV (Sony SXRD 70" 1080p television)
DirecTV HD70-300 DVR (native - HDMI) --> Anthem AVM50 --> TV
Oppo 970HD DVD player (480i - HDMI) --> Anthem AVM50 --> TV
XBox 360 (1080i - component + optical audio) --> Anthem AVM50 --> TV
Nintendo Wii (480i - component + analog audio) --> Anthem AVM50 --> TV
Anthem AVM50 --> Velodyne DD18 subwoofer (balanced XLR)
Anthem AVM50 --> Bryston 9BSST amplifier (balanced XLR)
post #1735 of 30951
I am about to buy the denon 2307ci if no one talks me out of it. Is this a good receiver for the following 7004 clr 2002 and bpx1.2. I don't have an amp will this avr be enough power also I would like a receiver that others of you have because I will be a newbie when setting it up

thanks
post #1736 of 30951
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Originally Posted by alf1096 View Post

I am about to buy the denon 2307ci if no one talks me out of it. Is this a good receiver for the following 7004 clr 2002 and bpx1.2. I don't have an amp will this avr be enough power also I would like a receiver that others of you have because I will be a newbie when setting it up

thanks

The Denon will be fine. These speakers are quite efficient and easy to drive.

I have an older Harman Kardon receiver and it does quite well. The HK has a music 7 that sounds quite good with these speakers when lisening to critical music. The Def Tech can be quite bright and with the HK music 7, music is much smoother and less bright.

I also suggest you try the BP2X instead of the 1.2. It's a small upggrade in cost with a big return in sonic quality.
post #1737 of 30951
Don't shoot me but has anyone order from Digitalcraze.com I know they are not authorized dealers but they are cheaper than msrp
post #1738 of 30951
Thread Starter 
Never heard of them until now..

You'd be rolling the dice but hey its your money !

~Bob
post #1739 of 30951
If my couch sits on the back wall would it be better to get the promonitor 800 and angle them down or buy the bp2x. I can also mount the speakers to the side of my listening area I will only be running 5.1
post #1740 of 30951
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Originally Posted by alf1096 View Post

If my couch sits on the back wall would it be better to get the promonitor 800 and angle them down or buy the bp2x. I can also mount the speakers to the side of my listening area I will only be running 5.1

Best set-up is BP2X on the sides. Apprx 2 feet above the listening position
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