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post #18061 of 30941
posted 05-11-10, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by otk View Post

i'm hoping to see something incredible but i also have this fear that they are going to "dumb it down" and replace the whole 7000 series with something small and wimpy like 3 new smallish bp towers

or perhaps keep all the current bp's (or just keep some) and add a few new towers that are kinda small and "waf" ish

hope i'm wrong

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Originally Posted by otk View Post

well hopefully they're working on a 6 1/2" driver

i'm not interested in a bi-polar ST
post #18062 of 30941
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

Wow. That's like coming out with a new vette and dropping the horse power. I'll e keeping my "classic" 7001's.

yup. i remember when Chevy came out with a new "454 SS pick-up truck"

the performance was rather disappointing

the only "good news" to come out of this is that they are putting out another batch of bp7000s
post #18063 of 30941
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Hence by going with the LCR2002 (or heck even the LCR1000 or LCR2000 and seperate prosub, you will get better response than the all in one LCR3000 and at half the cost, granted it looks bulkier and not as sexy, I always go for sound quality over looks (at least as far as Home Theater is concerned)

What prosub could you add to a clr2000 and get a better response and still be worth it $-wise?
post #18064 of 30941
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

What prosub could you add to a clr2000 and get a better response and still be worth it $-wise?

probably any of them

except the pro sub 60 because it's fixed speaker wire crossover is set at 100hz

all the other subs are set at 80hz

i don't think you want your center channel info over 80hz going to a sub
post #18065 of 30941
am i need to use bp 30 large at surround back position or small?
post #18066 of 30941
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Originally Posted by barasn View Post

i need a direct answer about bp 30 or bpvx surround back position which one will be better?

Direct Answer: The BP30 will be 100% better because it is full range and sounds awesome.
post #18067 of 30941
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Originally Posted by FSUguy View Post

Hmm, I took a look at that and it seems nice too. How do the Emotivas stack up against the ATI's? I'm not well versed in all the differences in amp specifications.

Secondly, if I did go the emotiva route, would I be gaining anything by going with an XPA-2 for the L/R and an XPA-3 for the rest? Or am I getting to the point of diminishing returns?

Oh and +1 on the Dave Matthews Blu ray, it sounds phenomenal....

1) ATI vs Emotiva?

ATI amps are usually more conservatively rated, better Signal-to-noise ratio, better crosstalk, better specs, better built, more expensive, 7 yrs warranty.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/surroun...mo/index4.html
http://hometheatermag.com/powerampli...ke/index2.html

In the first link, the Emotiva MPS1 is rated @ 200WPC 8ohms, but when measured, it produces 169WPC x 7Ch.

In the 2nd link (the Earthquake 300WPC x7Ch is the same as the ATI AT3007 amp & Lexicon ZX-7), the Earthquake amp is rated @ 300WPC x7ch, but it measures 330WPC x 7Ch.

The $8,000 flagship Lexicon ZX-7 300WPC amp is the same amp as the ATI AT3007 amp and the RX-7 is the same as the ATI AT2007.

http://www.lexicon.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prdid=3

http://www.lexicon.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prdid=4

Emotiva has lesser specs (lower SNR), 5 yrs warranty.

But in the end, the real life sound difference will not be significant. In a double-blinded test, you probably won't be able to hear the difference when the music is cranked up.

Now if there is nothing playing, there will be more hissing sound coming out of the speaker with the Emotiva amps (lower SNR). But other than that, you won't hear a significant difference.

2) Theoretically, monoblock amps would be ideal, follow by stereo amps, follow by 3Ch amps, etc.

But in real life, you won't be able to hear any significant difference.

If you are liimted on space (& or $$), just get the XPA-5. It will sound just like the XPA-2 & XPA-3.
post #18068 of 30941
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Originally Posted by tlinks View Post


Model - BP-8080ST
MSRP - $1,499
Height - 48-1/4″
Front Array - 2 @ 5- ¼″ BDSS; 1 @ 1″ AL dome
Rear Array - 1 @ 5-1/4″ BDSS; 1 @ 1″ AL dome
Powered Subwoofer System - 12″ active with 2 @ 12″ passive radiators, 455 Watts

Wow!

Thanks for the HOT info!

It looks to me like they completely got rid of the BP7001SC!!!

The specs for the BP-8080ST looks a little like the BP7002:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...oductid=BP7002
post #18069 of 30941
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Originally Posted by barasn View Post

am i need to use bp 30 large at surround back position or small?

I would set them to Large.
post #18070 of 30941
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Originally Posted by wmessin View Post

Can anyone on here help me out? I need help determining how best to handle my CLR2500 center channel with a flat panel TV. What are the best TV console options out there that can handle the size of the CLR2500?

I'm getting rid of a large wall unit entertainment center (wife's request) and replacing my CRT HDTV with a plasma. I'm worried about how my audio setup will be affected, and mostly about the placement of the 2500.

Thanks. Wayne

I would just hang the flat panel TV on the wall and stand the CLR2500 vertically between the front L&R speakers.

But if you have to sit the TV on a stand, I think something like this might work:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/OSP-Design...herry/13324214
post #18071 of 30941
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Wow!

Thanks for the HOT info!

It looks to me like they completely got rid of the BP7001SC!!!

Maybe they decided that we were getting our 6.5" MTM d'appolito arrays far too "cheaply" and wanted to force us to buy the 7000 even though many of us place the highest value of the speaker on the mid and high drivers and pay less attention to "sub" that comes in it.
post #18072 of 30941
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Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos View Post

Maybe they decided that we were getting our 6.5" MTM d'appolito arrays far too "cheaply" and wanted to force us to buy the 7000 even though many of us place the highest value of the speaker on the mid and high drivers and pay less attention to "sub" that comes in it.

Probably - since the BP7001 is identical to the BP7000 in every way except for the subwoofer.

Perhaps the BP7001 took some sales away from the BP7000 and they were losing money.
post #18073 of 30941
I just wish they would bring back the bp30's (I know many of you have expressed this as well.) With all due respect, my outboard subs DESTROY the subs in my 7001's.
post #18074 of 30941
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I just wish they would bring back the bp30's (I know many of you have expressed this as well.) With all due respect, my outboard subs DESTROY the subs in my 7001's.

The problem with the new DefTech is that they keep on trying to make smaller and "sleeker" cabinets.

I think the new generation of DefTech engineers did not excell in their physics class.

Can you imagine B&W, Revel, Wilson Audio, etc., trying to put their flagship models into a thinner sleeker smaller cabinet?

I guess aesthetics is higher on DefTech's priority list.
post #18075 of 30941
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Wow!

Thanks for the HOT info!

It looks to me like they completely got rid of the BP7001SC!!!

The specs for the BP-8080ST looks a little like the BP7002:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...oductid=BP7002

yup with one missing mid driver on the back

so now you're paying $300 more per tower that has one less mid driver in it
post #18076 of 30941
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post


I guess aesthetics is higher on DefTech's priority list.

yup. they might as well start selling them at sears now
post #18077 of 30941
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

posted 05-11-10, 02:16 PM

Boy, you called that one, didn't you? We should get you some kind of patch for your robe....

Like everybody else here, I'm sure glad I got my "legacy" BPs before they turned this corner. Maybe Sandy Gross will carry the flag with his new line coming out in September.
post #18078 of 30941
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

yup. they might as well start selling them at sears now

Oh, crap, now I'll have to stop by the electronics section everytime I go to Sears.
post #18079 of 30941
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Boy, you called that one, didn't you? We should get you some kind of patch for your robe....



i'm sure these new bp thingys will sound great and i'm sure they will sell like hotcakes

just disappointed there's no new flagship

but like they said, it's hard to improve on perfection which is why they will continue to sell the 7000s as their flagship bp tower
post #18080 of 30941
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Oh, crap, now I'll have to stop by the electronics section everytime I go to Sears.

LOL
post #18081 of 30941
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Originally Posted by otk View Post


...just disappointed there's no new flagship...

...but like they said, it's hard to improve on perfection which is why they will continue to sell the 7000s as their flagship bp tower...

The only way they can improve on the BP7000SC is to put a SC Trinity inside one; and it would be 6' tall.

But as long as they keep on thinking "Slender & Sleeker", they don't even need to try.
post #18082 of 30941
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The only way they can improve on the BP7000SC is to put a SC Trinity inside one; and it would be 6' tall.

But as long as they keep on thinking "Slender & Sleeker", they don't even need to try.

i've explored that idea here a while ago

you figure the trinity is about 32" high and just for size place a clr-3000 on top of it which would add another 25" that brings it to 57" they could probably get it down to about 55" since it will all be squeezed into a single tower subtracting the trinity end-cap and one of the clr-3000 end-caps. 55" isn't that huge considering the BP3000TL came in at 55"

then develop some 7" BDSS mids (2 in the front 2 in the rear) and we're talking new beast

of course the bottom of the tower will be a tad wider than the top but that's ok. anyone interested in such a beast wont mind
post #18083 of 30941
The top part could attach on a little lazy-susan thing so it rotates a bit. This would make toeing them in much easier!
post #18084 of 30941
Quote:
Originally Posted by progprog View Post

The top part could attach on a little lazy-susan thing so it rotates a bit. This would make toeing them in much easier!

post #18085 of 30941
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

The problem with the new DefTech is that they keep on trying to make smaller and "sleeker" cabinets.

I think the new generation of DefTech engineers did not excell in their physics class.

Can you imagine B&W, Revel, Wilson Audio, etc., trying to put their flagship models into a thinner sleeker smaller cabinet?

I guess aesthetics is higher on DefTech's priority list.



It appears Def Tech is going after everyone who has purchased a big screen and now looking to add surround sound. Lots of advertising with emphasis on appearance and living off of past reputation. You knew it was headed this way when they showed up in BB. It's been what, 4 years since Grossman sold? Still a good company with great service but I guess the higher end sound market is too small while the mass market $$$ are huge. Doubt they will replace the 7000, it will probably just fade away. Less is more? Too bad.

Still can't find any news on Golden Ear Technologies/Grossmans new company or lineup ouside of:
http://www.absolutesound.com/blog/tag/golden-ear/
post #18086 of 30941
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Originally Posted by rweeb View Post

It appears Def Tech is going after everyone who has purchased a big screen and now looking to add surround sound. Lots of advertising with emphasis on appearance and living off of past reputation. You knew it was headed this way when they showed up in BB. It's been what, 4 years since Grossman sold? Still a good company with great service but I guess the higher end sound market is too small while the mass market $$$ are huge. Doubt they will replace the 7000, it will probably just fade away. Less is more? Too bad.

Still can't find any news on Golden Ear Technologies/Grossmans new company or lineup ouside of:
http://www.absolutesound.com/blog/tag/golden-ear/

Grossman ? i think you mean Sandy Gross

six ave was the first nail. then best buy

then when i saw all the advertising going to the ST i knew that was it

time to look to JTR or seaton if you want speakers with killer dynamics now

http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-12ht/
post #18087 of 30941
Been a DT owner for 10 years now.
post #18088 of 30941
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

Grossman ? i think you mean Sandy Gross

Gross is the man, looking forward to his new adventure.
post #18089 of 30941
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Originally Posted by rweeb View Post

Gross is the man, looking forward to his new adventure.

he left polk to start def tech

can't wait to see what he does next
post #18090 of 30941
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

What prosub could you add to a clr2000 and get a better response and still be worth it $-wise?

Otk is correct any of the prosub (cept the Prosub 60) will do. I have a Prosub 800 and a Prosub 1000 but used the 1000 on the center just so the 10" sub driver would better match with my 10" subs in my 7001s. Even though the drivers are completely different in the 7001 and prosub series. not as heavy and the 7001s sub has a 30ohm driver while the prosub is a standard 4 ohm driver and not as heavy.

But after calibration the sound quality matches across the board. Was watching "GreenZone" with matt Damon last night and the bass was fluid across the front when explosions and those huge helicopters panned across the screen.
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