Definitive Owners Thread - Page 734

Just curious but does anyone use he LFE inputs on the towers? After some review I think I'll hook them up. This way I can have balanced sound for music and a extra kick for games and movies. I just have to some how share on lfe out on the AVR with the two tower and a Velodyne sub...

Thoughts?

No one seems to do this but I don't know why, as to how, just get a Y adapter or two. You will have to play around with the input controls to get things balanced. If you have an SPL you can plug them in one at a time and set the gains but I think if your AVR doesn't eq the sub channel, you will need to back the gains down 3 to 6 db to compensate for having three subs going.

I "do this". I enjoy having a little extra control over the LFE track. I run my 4 7002s as large as well as my CLR3000. I have the LFE split to the two front 7002s. This enable me to "bump up" the LFE track of movies to gain the extra feeling in my chest while maintaining acuracy throughout the regular soundtrack. My gain knobs are set to about 12:30 to 1:00 on the front 7002s and I leave the rear 7002s at about 12. This sounds awesome to me in my room. I do not have any extra subs, just the ones in the 4 7002s. I'm using a Pioneer Elite S-27 with MCACC enabled to handle room correction. I've never heard a better setup for anywhere close to the same budget. I will always be a die-hard fan of Def Tech due to the sound as well as support I have received for me and my clients.

This is interesting. I have been reading the same thing in receiver and sub forum advising me to have all speakers fronts, center, and surrounds set to small and set crossover at min 80hz. Doing so will send the low to the dedicated sub?

If you set them to large, would that mean dedicated sub Will not be functional?

I also run my 7004's as small and split the lfe to the two of them.

I will be splitting it yet again when I add a dedicated sub, the 7004's are nice but roll off sharply in my room around 35-37hz.

I tried it once years ago but thought my lf sounded better without it.

So is your sub setting LFE or LFE+Main? If it's just LFE all that frequency below your crossover point doesn't get redirected anywhere.

Extra feeling in he chest? I have two 7000SC's, 3 CLR3000's, 2 BPVX's and a Velodyne 18" subwoofer and still can't that feeling. Maybe earthquake feeling but not chest thumping, maybe I have too much fat or something lol Is your room sealed? BTW, nice setup!

Do you have the ability to set your AVR to LFE + Mains? Wouldn't this achieve the same result as splitting off the LFE and running it to the towers.

I just got a new AVR that has two sub outs so I've been toying with the Idea of feeding the 7006 and my 2300 from the second LFE feed and see if I hear a difference from just summing the LFE and Mains. I just have to psych my self up to moving it out and dealing with the wiring.

Thanks! The room is 11x18 and the 7002s are all around so the speakers really fill up the room. I watched inception the other day and it sounded amazing. Lots of good LFE!

I'm not crossing over my BP7000SC's mains at any point and running it as large, so there's no point for me to run LFE+Main. If I hookup with LFE inputs on he towers, I can juice up the LFE db some for extra kick but not affect none LFE content so to speak.

My CLR3000's did sound good with my AVR set to LFE+Main, speakers set to smalll and crossed over at 60Hz or so. Can't remember where I crossed it over, but sounded really good for some music CD's I was playing. Anyways, the sub in the CLR3000's is not really for LFE so this configuration works well for them.

LFE+Mains doesn't control the LFE track. If you want independent control of the Subs you need to run the LFE to the towers or subs. LFE will never get sent to the mains unless your avr is set to no sub and full range for the mains. LFE+Mains or "double bass" take the low frequency from the mains and doubles it in your subs.

DO NOT RUN YOUR LFE TO THE 2300!!! It is not designed to handle LFE. It is for the full range center preout. If you have two outputs from your AVR run the two LFEs to the Two towers if you want more control. Most people just run speaker wire straight and this sounds good as well.

this will really vary from set-up to set-up and room to room

if you're running smaller towers like the 7006 with a very capable sub like the trinity etc you would not IMO send the LFE to the towers since the 7006 is probably only flat to the mid 30hz. set the towers to small with a 40hz crossover and let the much more capable subwoofer handle the LFE

now if you're running something like 7002s in the front & back with no extra subs that's easy, send the LFE to all 4 towers

but if you had a pair of trinitys (or other capable subs) in most cases you would run the LFE just to the subwoofers and not the towers but you could try it both ways and see how it sounds. sometimes tossing the towers in the mix can help smooth things out as far as getting a flatter response

now let's say you're running bp7000s with reference supercubes. the 7000s have very similar subs built in so trying it both ways would be best to see which sounds best in your room to your ears

there's really no "one size fits all" answer to the "should i use the LFE inputs on my towers?" because the answer is "it depends"

if you're running really high-end subwoofers with your towers (or just subwoofers which are better than the built in subs) chances are you will not send the LFE to the towers. in most cases the stand alone sub will have greater extension and output than the subs that are built into the towers

Hi guys...

I have questions regarding setting up dual sub.

My 5.1 system consists of the following: BP30s, CLR2300, BPXs, Supercube Reference, 10+ years old Pioneer Elite VSX-27TX powered by Emotiva XPA2 and XPA5. The Reference is currently connected via LFE and all speakers set as small and 80Hz crossover. The receiver only has global crossover settings of 80Hz or higher.

I just purchased a Supercube Trinity and is awaiting for its delivery. While waiting, I have been contemplating on how to best set it up. I know easiest way would be to use a Y adapter and connect both subs via LFE, but I don't know if this will give me the best sound or not so I'm thinking of connecting the subs/mains in stereo mode via low-level RCAs and use the subs to cross the mains at say 60Hz or 70Hz. Would there be problems connecting two different subs in this way?

The manual also say this, "If you are using dual subwoofers with a Dolby Digital System,
we suggest that each subwoofer receives its appropriate left or right channel signal,
plus an LFE signal (with the LFE plugged into the LFE input). You would then set
the Dolby Digital processor’s bass management system to “Large” left and right
main speakers and sub to “Yes.” Is this necessary? Also, shouldn't the sub be set to Plus which is sub+mains? That way the subs receive a full range signal from the mains preout?

Also with the subs connecting in stereo mode, how do you calibrate the subs and mains level? I'm guessing you would set the high pass crossover on the subs to the appropriate frequency, turn the subs volume level all the way down and run the test tone to setup the mains first. And to set the subs level, you would disconnect the mains?

Thanks

hey guys i found a deal on deftech bp1.2x or the bp2x surrounds and would love to catch some feedback from guys who have them

one does anyone have the picture of the back or the top of theses surrounds i cannot find one anywhere

two how do you like them and how are they mounted? I am looking to pick up some stands and put them in the rear corner of my room

i am wondering how the output is i have a set of martin logan preface towers and a encore tf center channel so my front stage is fairly loud for a small 12x15 room

also i am wondering if you guys have pictures of these mounted or suggested stands to pair them with thatd be great.

Well I get my BP2xs Monday if you can wait...

Just curious, but does anyone know how big the chambers in the bi polar towers are without the subwoofers? Are they seperated? Do they extend down the full length of the tower?

I was all set to buy two Epik Empires, but I just found today a local lightly used Trinity that I could get for the same price. Should I just stay the course and get the Empires or jump on the Trinity? I like the idea of matching brands, but have heard great things about the Empire. I have not heard either in person. Priority is clean low end as opposed to sheer SPL. Room size is large and opens to other rooms.

The sub would join my current setup of 6 BP7002s and a CLR 2500.

I just integrated dual Empires into my dedicated theater (joining my already dual MFW-15s) today after fixing a bad amp in one of the empires. I am very pleased with the musicality of the low end with the empires (assuming this is what you mean by clean low end), and coupled with the MFW-15s, the SPL is definitely there for soundtracks.

If you're starting with no subs, I would stick with the dual empire plan. With proper placement, you'll get much smoother bass response throughout your room, and the sealed design of the empire helps with your clean low end. The trinity is a beast, and a great subwoofer, but for dual subs that can match the SPL of the trinity, provide better musicality down low, and give you greater flexibility with placement for minimizing peaks/nulls, I would definitely go with the empires.

And as far as the bad amp, Chad and the whole Epik team were right on it, shipping me a new amp and wire cutter/crimper, instructions for replacing the amp, and a return label for the bad amp and tool as soon as the could get them out. Works like a charm now.

Stay with the empire's. The pair will beat the brakes off the trinity, one may be enough .... of course, other opinions may vary. I like a room full of "matched" gear too but I learned the hard way years back when I dropped $2500 for Klipsch's RSW 15. Later spent a third of the money on a velodyne that killed it, then found the promised land with a pair of svs-pc13ultras (still less than the one klipsch). I auditioned all sorts of stuff along the way including the hsu, epiks and the trinity. Now I am headed toward the stratosphere building a pair of Danley DTS 10's.

You will love the empires.

10 year definitive owner here. BP 2000s in the basement and BP 2006s in the bedroom. I've been auditioning newer speakers over the last year or two and haven't found anything that's going to stomp my 2006s under $2,000 for my 15x15 bedroom. I've been kind of bored, wanted to see what else is out there and maybe try something different. Now the big hit against Def Tech has always been midrange. I would agree with that assessment because of too much subwoofer and the tweeter overtaking the midrange. Obviously that can be adjusted a bit with tone controls. Now, most high end speakers aren't bipolar so on a whim tonight I unhooked the rear tweeter and 4" midrange just to see what would happen if I made the def techs unipolar. I just did this 20 minutes ago and it seems like the midrange is MUCH more articulate right now and the seperation between highs and mids is more pronounced. I also think I'm getting much better stereo imaging. I'm sitting here absolutely amazed at the better detail I'm hearing right now. The speakers are about 8' apart and my head is about 9-10 feet away from them. Anybody else tried or heard this??? Alright, playing "Every rose has it's thorn" and that acoustic guitar at the beginning is ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. My jaw is almost on the floor.

Thanks for the responses. It is greatly appreciated.

thanks that would be great

if you take pictures can you email them to me i will send you a pm with my email address

thanks again

Nice, another tweaker I'm curious what your ohm load is now since you disconnected some drivers. I wonder what kinda crossover tweaks might be performed to maybe lower the db of the rears some like in the new 8000 series. Is the 2006 Just a mid and tweeter on each side as well as a sub?

I'm thinking about trying a 7002 crossover with my 7000s else maybe try using the highs on the 7000 crossover and the mids from a 7002 crossover. The drivers are just so different though so I'm not too sure if I want to try it or not.

The mids on my clr3000 look identical to the mids on the 7000 so I think they can go lower since the clr3000 has much more lower mids then my 7000's.

Then again I got two more clr3000 for stereo use now so I'm not really motivated to tweak so much any more. Very time consuming lol

All in a 15 by 16 ft living area.... AND, the wife must like it!

I love my BP2Xs. If anyone wants pictures, I'll gladly take some and email them.

This has been my dilemma for over a year... Currently I am running a Yamaha 11.1 (actually 11.4 as configured ) configuration consisting of 4 BP2000s as the front and sides. I run all 4 via RCA yet have no other dedicated sub(s). All in a modest, dedicated - sealed theater room: approx 16 wide by 15 deep, 10-11ft ceiling. I have been stashing a "sub" fund in the mattress for quite some time yet haven't committed due to all the choices.
The BP2000's and their current LFE configuration sounds great and I have never had anyone state a negative towards my LFE. But I know it can be "boomy" at times and would prefer just a nice chest "thump" etc..

I'm also one of those that must have items symmetrical (my wife feels it's a "disorder" of mine )thus am wanting dual subs. Most of my thoughts are towards either two Rythmik sealed 15's or 12's. And the fact I can only fit them on either side wall, (or if not too tall, on either side of my CLR3000), I figure two would blend better room wise etc. I'm prewired on the sides yet front would be easy to access as well. I also like to build thus the Rythmik plans, performance and flexibility is pulling me in that direction. Not to mention if able would just drive over and pick them up on a future business trip...

Should I consider 12's or 15's,,, and would either be overkill in my modest space. I know it's actually overkill yet also know it would be "better" base/LFE than I have. My goal is to better the LFE with good "thump" in the 15-35hz range..

Thoughts?

I also found this interesting since I also have the 2300 and 7006's. I have a Pioneer 92-TXH and the problem is that my only lower crossovers are 80hz and 50hz. With the way the Pioneer AVR works, if I set the crossover to 50hz, it chops off all the bass and LFE from 50hz and above - it doesn't get redirected anywhere. You can clearly hear the "missing" bass.

However, when the speakers are set to small and 80hz, the subs in the 2300 and 7006's are definitely still working and this is where I disagree with Chet. Sure, they don't put out as much bass as when set to large but they still are active. You can hear them working on bass heavy films like The Hulk, War Of The Worlds or The Dark Knight. Personally, I wouldn't want to send this type of bass to 2300 or 7006's if they were set to large. I've tried it and you can hear much deeper bass when they are set to small, crossed at 80hz and my sub handles everything. I don't consider this a waste of the subs in the speakers.