Definitive Owners Thread - Page 758

you should be fine with the 8040. just make sure you set it to "small" with a 80hz crossover to start. you can play around with other crossover settings to see which sound best to you

personally i prefer a center that can extend as low as possible. i'm very picky about the center channel and i don't want bass management touching it

Need a little help deciding my Audyssey DSX setup.

I just purchased an Onkyo 3008 with Audyssey DSX and have decided to combine a couple of rooms to make one "ultimate" home theater room.

I'm going to run the Audyssey DSX 9.1 with highs and wides (no surround back).

I'm having trouble deciding which speaks to use where. BP2000s vs Mythos One as fronts and wides. Note: One of the subs on the BPs is not firing and have added a standalone Velodyne sub (in a 2 sub setup). Also Mythos Five vs BP2X as surrounds. Lastly Mythos Eight vs Polk TSi CS20 as center (this one seems easy but I love the big/rich sound of the Polk center)

Here's the setup:

1 pair - DefTech BP2000 (front or wide?)
1 pair - DefTech Mythos One (front or wide?)
1 pair - DefTech Mythos Five (surround?)
1 pair - DefTech BP2X (surround?)
1 - DefTech Mythos Eight (center?)
1 - Polk TSi CS20 (center?)
1 pair - DefTech Mythos Two (heights)

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

grab those bp30s and worry about the center later

a clr1000b or clr2000 would be great and the clr3000 of course

the clr2002 is an awesome center and wouldn't be horrible with the bp30s but i would really recommend one of the other 3 i mentioned

it's very hard to beat any def tech that used the quad 6 1/2 mids. that's why def tech left them alone for almost 20 years

but to be fair to the 8060's, you really should listen to them in your room, properly set up and calibrated to get a decent compare to your 30s

the new 8000 series is designed to be more "direct radiating" "ish". they are still bi-polar but they are attempting to control and focus the imaging which kinda takes away from that big huge sound-stage we're used to plus using smaller and 1 less driver has to take away from dynamics and "fullness"

they are also designed with major WAF factor

WAF is fine but there are always going to be compromises

i'd still like to see a new 8000 series "flagship" with larger mids and woofers (CAN YOU HEAR THAT DEF TECH ?????????????????)

i guess since the 7000s are still available there's no need for one

ok if def tech is listening here's what i'd really like to see. a new 8000 series flagship with 6.5" mids, take away the passive radiators and go sealed and use dual 14" active sub drivers mounted "dual opposed" so that the drivers are "back to back" and firing out of each side of the tower coupled to a massive amplifier. come on def tech, make something fun again

Hello! I am looking for advice regarding surrounds for my system. I currently have BP7004's and a CLR2002 up front.

I was very much considering BP2X's for the surrounds, but I'm nervous about the set up of my room. The problem is that it's not a square. The BP2X on one wall will be about 4.5 feet from the back wall, while the BP2X on the other wall will be about 2 feet back from the wall (that will keep it slightly behind the listener). Furthermore, I'm not sure whether or not I will be able to mount them - I may have to put them on stands. If I mount them, they will basically be high and hanging in front of windows, and won't be flush against anything.

Would I be better off with SM350's on stands, or perhaps one of the newer Def Tech surrounds (which I actually don't know much about)? Or am I fine with the BP2X's?

Included is a picture of the room.

Thank you very much in advance for sharing your knowledge and experience.

i am currently in the market for a new receiver. i have the 7006's, 2002 set up. i am looking at the onkyo 708 and 808. can you guys give me some advice as to which one you would choose and why? will the 25 watts per channel make that big of difference in the sound? anything else that would make either one of these a better choice?

i do not have a 3d tv and do not plan on buying one for a while...

the price difference is approximately $130. is it worth it?

At louder volumes maybe , but I would look at a denon or Marantz before an onkyo. Make sure u can bitstream hdmi hd audio and make sure it has eq ability like audysssey after being bistreamed. Those are 2 major things to look at on the audio side.

My 2 cents. I have not listened to any onkyo's.

Have you considered in-ceiling? If you have kids I recommend not going the speakers on stands route. I did for my last home theater room and I will never do it again.

I know these are old speakers. I thought I had a deal on some BP2000 towers, c/l/r 3000, and BP10's. The guy had the wrong specs (speakers) listed in craigslist ad.

I have found some BP3000 speakers for a good price. I am sure they will fit my needs for 90% HT. When I do a search on avs they are only a few threads. Where these speakers just not that great? Did most people usually buy the BP2000 towers.

When I google BP3000 reviews all I get is dead links. I am sure it's because they are out dated.

So, what are the concerns about buying these BP3000 towers now?

For 25 watts? No. But the 808 may have additional features you want, I would consult the owners thread and determine what the exact differences. With efficient speakers you probably don't need that much wattage to drive them unless you are really cranking them.

I have owned Onkyo receivers for almost 12 years but recently went with a Denon instead. Very happy. Onkyo seems to give you more features for the money but the Denon receivers seem to be of a higher quality.

Sorry I missed your response and did not reply. I was only looking for enclosed speakers for my in-ceiling and in-wall options for fronts and surrounds. I also wanted to stay enclosed for the rears but am struggling to find the right solution from Deftech. I may end up having to go with an open back speaker for the rears. Since I have such a large space between my seating area and rear speakers (about 12-14') I will mostly likely go monopole and not bipole.

I would definitely go either SVS, HSU, or Epik.

I haven't considered in-ceilings because my handyman skills are good enough for mounting stuff to wall studs or drywall (using toggle or molly bolts), but I really have no knowledge of what's involved in hanging 11-12 lb speakers (e.g., the BP2X's) from the ceiling. I am pretty sure the limited space I have on the ceiling between the wall and the skylight is hollow drywall (and both ceiling sides have had a hairline crack for about 12 years now right about where the speakers would mount).

I do have kids. (I better with the condition of that room!) But my youngest is at the point where I would feel comfortable with stands if I had to go that route, though obviously mounted would be better.

So I'm still curious if the non-square shape of my room, and the fact that I may have to use stands or mount hanging over windows means that I should consider alternative surrounds to the BP2X's (and if so, what should I consider).

Again, thank you!

The BP3000s were a limited run yet were the flagship model etc.

If in good shape and decent price I would check them out. Literally the same as the BP2000TLs yet with an 18 inch sub/1000W amp. I auditioned them back in the day and thought they were awesome. The bass would not be as precise as an equivalent sub today yet will be on par with the 2000s.

Seriously, if you like the 2000s you won't be disappointed one bit in the 3000s. :-)

The BP3000s were great speakers. Just out of range for many price wise etc.

So what is the selling price?

Cheers

heck ya , these guys give you an insane amount of performance for your money! The DT subs will sound good but an Epik , well... will just be Epik!!!!

i dont run any stand alone subs right now but i cant wait to get something from one of these manufactures in the future.

ohh , theres also http://www.chasehometheater.com/

theres a pair on audiogon that im surprised has still not sold. looks like a fair price to me.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313176


these guys did a really great job!! talk about home theater passion!!

I just did it! I just purchased the BP3000 towers. I am going to get the C/L/R 3000 center too.

What would you reccommend for towers for the rear surrounds? BP10B's, or what about picking up some BP2000's non tl version. I can get the BP2000's local for about $850. It will be atleast a few months before I get everything together. Should I wait to find some BP30's.

edited to add, I just went ahead and purchased the C/L/R 3000 from listenup. So, I need your help for suggestions for the surrounds.

congrats !!!!!!!!!!

get the bp2000s for your surrounds. i'm using them front and rear and love em

bp30s would work too

i used to use bp10b's as surrounds and it was a huge step up when i replaced them with bp2000s

Deftech (along with many other companies) make speakers specific for in-ceiling and even a novice can install them. You just cut a hole (they give you a template) in the ceiling with a drywall knife and then the speaker attaches to the drywall ceiling. Pretty easy. Just go to their website and look at in-ceiling speaker options (not in-wall). I also recommend getting an in-ceiling speaker that has an pivoting tweeter so you can aim the sound at the listening position.

The tricky part will be getting speaker wire up there.

Otherwise I recommend mounting the speakers on walls with speaker mounts and angle them down. I am just not a fan of speaker stands with kids.

For those who are interested, you can follow my crossover mod over at the Polk forum.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118086

Congrats!!

You will not be disappointed with that front sound stage. :-)

Are you going for 5.1 or 7.1?

Either way, All three that you mentioned would work well yet as OTK mentioned the BP2000s would be best for side surrounds. Nothing beats having the four powered towers!

$850 is a typical price for a pair of 2000s if in good shape. See if he/she will haggle into the $700s

Stop back in when you have it up and running to give us your impressions etc.

PS - run your CLR3000 full range via just speaker wire/cable.

Cheers

Hi guys,

I recently bought 2 opened box ProMonitor 1000 speakers from crutchfield.com and one of them is producing a crakling sound. Do you think it is damaged or should it be something else? Should I return it? Thanks.

If this really works I'm definitely in on doing this aswell. I have no plans ever in my life to upgrade my def techs. I love how they sound but if I can make them sound better with a DIY upgrade that makes it even more special


Question is , will I hear a better difference. This isn't a power cable or speaker wire upgrade right? Cause I dont believe in the power cable audiophile theories

The crossover is much different then just a power cable and speaker wire. The crossover parts are not cheap though and each part has it's own special sound. Total cost to mod both towers is almost 1K! Could have went with much cheaper parts but I've read a lot of good things about the Clarity MR caps so we'll see. I'm honestly not to crazy about my BP7000SC's right now, mostly for music listening, so hopefully this will do the trick! Sometimes even the most subtle differences can be a big deal for some people. I've read that modding crossovers is kinda like cooking and I would agree, i.e. add this and that, till you get the sound your after, but I think it's much harder and probably more expensive lol

If your happy with your sound, that's great don't change it. I wish I felt that way

Anyone know if the ST super towers and Mythos 10 bi-amp compatible?

If I remember right, you are not happy with the modrange. Was that the issue and if so what is it that leaves you wanting more? Just curious.

Our buddy on the Bay has BP30 top end caps... I remember some members building some and didnt have top caps... this is your chance to snag some caps that look like the 7000 series though.

Congrats on the new acquisition. Consider trying the 3000s as surrounds with their subs serving LFE duty. You may find you like the 2000s in full range as fronts just as well or better than the 3000s and the subs in the 3000s can't be beat for LFE duty. If this makes sense, stop reading. If you are not convinced and want more context...

We have 4 BP2000s with a C/L/R2000 center and 4 UIWBPZ/As in a 9.2 config. The front BP2000s are run full range and the subs on the surround BP2000s are used for LFE (our receiver corrects for interaction between 2 subs). We auditioned a pair of 3000TLs when they first came out with the intent of upgrading one pair of 2000s. We decided not to as we prefered the bass characteristics of the 2000s.

We found the mid and upper frequency ranges to differ in imaging due to the higher array location in the 3000s, but with no difference in sound quality (no surprise). They both make equally good front speakers and stunning surround speakers. We have tried BP2Xs and BPVXs in addition to the BPZ/As and the upper arrays on the towers (when properly positioned) make better surounds if your room supports them. To some the 3000s might be better as surrounds due to the increased height.

The BP3000 has shockingly more low frequency output - and the 2000s set the bar high to start with. In our opinion, however, the low frequency ouput of the BP3000s was not as contolled and accurate, particularly with regard to pacing and decay. This is just preference. 80% of our listening is music, often critical listening in stereo and we strongly prefer sealed enclosures for this. We actually prefered the DefTechs over much more expensive speakers disagreeing with audiophiles in their ability to provide a quality critical listening experience (provided they are setup correctly). DISCLAIMER: We are not audiophiles.

We exercised all permutations of the 3000/2000 combination and the configuration we were hands down most satisfied with in the days of AC-3, spectrum analyzers and parametric EQs was putting the 2000s at full range in the front, the 3000s in surround duty and tying both BP3000 subs to the LFE output. This really is the best of both worlds. Ultimately we could not justify the cost of buying 2 new BP3000 given our preference for the sound of the BP2000s.

I think you have great hardware to work with and will be able to find a configuration that is right for you and sounds amazing. Enjoy- and let us know how the 2000s/3000s compare to your ears...