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post #2281 of 29304
5/26/07 at 6:10am
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I don't disagree. Just to note, there's a whole market out there of speaker cable manufacturers that also sell jumper cables to replace the manufacturer stock ones (which are typically gold plated bands) because of that very reason - resistance, and that cabling does a better job of doing the jumping.

LOL... yea, your right. It's a shame I didn't think of that about 25 years ago. Could have been retired in Hawaii now

Whoda thunk that an entire industry could be built around convincing people, that want to be convinced, that spending big $$$ on "premium, deluxe, ultra-high grade" CABLE, is any better than plain old 12-14 gauge wire.

Sigh. But, PT Barnum was right!

Have a look at this... while not to be taken as the only truth, it's more true than not.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

YMMV - steve
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post #2282 of 29304
5/26/07 at 6:27am
I have been the proud owner of 2002tl's for 7 years but have some 7001 sc's coming. I heard them with a mcintosh amp. Are any of you using macs with your 7001/7000's and what are your impressions? I am on the lookout for a good deal on a used mac
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post #2283 of 29304
5/26/07 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Steve, thanks for all the advice so far. One of my questions on the autosetup is what do you set the db level to when you are setting up; 0, 20, 50,...? I have the room completely quite, but I just don't know where to set the volume.

Also, when it comes to the highpass and low pass filters, I am completely confused. I though those were only used if you run your mains or some other speaker through the speaker connections on your sub. I see all the setting knobs, but I just have them all set in the middle. THe manual really doesn't say anything.

I did run the YPAO last night before I read this. It set the 2006s and 2300 to large and the 1.2Xs to small. The wierd thing is it set the sub crossover to 200.

ADZ,

When you find more out about the Mythos 10, let us know. He wouldn't tell me anything more than it was going to be announced at CEDIA.

It really doesn't matter what you use as your reference level. I use 0db, but as long as you keep the overall volume level consistent throughout the calibration, and only adjust individual speaker levels using the channel trim, it will be fine. You're just setting a reference level by which all channels get adjusted up/down from to make the SPL levels the same for each channel - relative to reference.

Here's a link to a fairly good explanation.

http://www.techlore.com/article/10037/?textpage=2

It's a pretty good general guide for getting things set up.

Your sub manual should explain what the settings on the sub do, and what controls what. If not, try giving Chet a call at Def Tech, and ask him. You can't go too wrong by turning the crossover/pass controls fully clockwise, though.

Many auto set up routines will sometimes set the speakers to large. Not to worry, you can go back in and change them to small. I'm guessing the crossover set up is because the mains are getting set to large, and thus the 200 result. Try forcing all speakers to small, then see what it picks as the crossover point. Should be somewhere between 60 and 100.

-steve
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post #2284 of 29304
5/26/07 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Great news about the Mythos Ten (matching center for the STs)!
As good as the Eight is, it's just not in the same league as the STs.
I hope the Ten more closely matches the STs in terms of sonics and cosmetics.

dc



Mythos 10 Chet said there wont be a center for the ST's..
But if the boys at DT changed their minds....Adz523 you have my email
I'll put my Mythos 8 on Audiogon Sorry 8, but 10 is a Ten! You know.


Djoel
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post #2285 of 29304
5/26/07 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

I need to find out some info on the new Mythos Ten. I'm a custom dealer but have no information on it yet. I did just receive word that the Mythos ST in black (which is the more popular of the two finishes) are now back in stock after finally filling all back orders.






I feel very lucky having my Mythos ST so early in their infancy, my Gf and I are in love with the St's, for different reasons of course...

Hey Adam did you neighbor get the St's or he did he go BP?



DJoel
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post #2286 of 29304
5/26/07 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Mythos 10 Chet said there wont be a center for the ST's..
But if the boys at DT changed their minds....Adz523 you have my email
I'll put my Mythos 8 on Audiogon Sorry 8, but 10 is a Ten! You know.


Djoel

I think an ST center speaker should have been part of the introduction
of the STs
The STs are such a huge departure from the typical Mythos speaker, which were/are excellent speakers in their own right, but the STs are a cut above not only other Mythos but any speaker I've owned!
Don't say anything to them, but the STs would have been a bargain at twice their asking price... imho

dc
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post #2287 of 29304
5/26/07 at 6:52pm
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Originally posted by Djoel:
I feel very lucky having mine so early in their infancy, my Gf and I are in love with the St's, for different reasons of course...

Djoel, what is the driver config like? The Def Tech Rep would say anything other than they match the STs.
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post #2288 of 29304
5/26/07 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Djoel, what is the driver config like? The Def Tech Rep would say anything other than they match the STs.






Oh no Lowell I don't have a Mythos 10 in my possession YET! But I'm a proud owner of the St's....


djoel
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post #2289 of 29304
5/26/07 at 7:27pm
Sorry, it sounded like you had one. :-)
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post #2290 of 29304
5/26/07 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

I feel very lucky having my Mythos ST so early in their infancy, my Gf and I are in love with the St's, for different reasons of course...

Hey Adam did you neighbor get the St's or he did he go BP?



DJoel


BPs.
STs (in black) had been seriously back-ordered a couple of weeks after I got yours in.
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post #2291 of 29304
5/26/07 at 9:12pm
It was time to replace my Mirage OM-9 Omnipolar L/R speakers - they are very good for music, but in my theater, I found the design to muddy soundtracks across ths front.

I did a bit of comparisons in several locations of different speakers - PSBs, Paradigms, Monitor Audio (GS-60's), and the DT Mythos ST

The Monitor Audio GS-60's sounded very good, and I think would have been a great choice, but the Mythos ST's just seemed to offer much more clarity and presence, so I opted to try them.

In short, even without break-in, they are stunning. Much greater and more precise soundstage - the integrated subs are more than ample for my decent size room, and their physical design is very attractive (I purchased the gloss black model). I watched POTC:COTBP on Blu-Ray, first on the OM-9's and then on the STs, the difference was notable.

Oddly (and happily), the ST's are a better match for my Mirage MC-2 center speaker then the Mirage OM-9's were! In actual listening as well as with white and pink noise, the timbre match is better. Go figure, but it saves me some money from looking at a new center.

I've moved the OM-9's to act as full range surrounds to replace Citation 5.3 dipoles, and the Omnipolar design works much better here than as theater fronts. Still, I'm considering the BPVX/P's as surrounds - but it may be overkill, as the OM-9's can produce fairly deep bass on their own.

For surround backs, I'm currently using to Vienna Acoustic towers fed through a M&K MX-100 sub to acheive full range speakers all the way around. I may try a pair of M&K S-100B's that I have in storage as the surround backs instead, but even the VA's sound accoustically similar to everything else I have, so why mess with the good thing.

I'm sure the auto-EQ of the Pioneer 84txsi also helps pull all this together. Along with a 70" Sony SXRD XBR2 and butt-kicker's in the Berkline's, things are finally coming together after many years of (costly) trial and error.

Now, onto the classified to sell the Citations, a spare M&K sub, and either the Vienna's or the M&K s-100Bs...

Any feedback on the BPVX/P would be appreciated (as well as any commentary of the powered vs the non-powered version)

Thanks
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post #2292 of 29304
5/26/07 at 10:02pm
Thrang,

I am VERY happy with the BPVX/P surrounds. It is amazing how much low end content I was missing before I got them.

-- Martin
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post #2293 of 29304
5/26/07 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

It was time to replace my Mirage OM-9 Omnipolar L/R speakers - they are very good for music, but in my theater, I found the design to muddy soundtracks across ths front.

I did a bit of comparisons in several locations of different speakers - PSBs, Paradigms, Monitor Audio (GS-60's), and the DT Mythos ST

The Monitor Audio GS-60's sounded very good, and I think would have been a great choice, but the Mythos ST's just seemed to offer much more clarity and presence, so I opted to try them.

In short, even without break-in, they are stunning. Much greater and more precise soundstage - the integrated subs are more than ample for my decent size room, and their physical design is very attractive (I purchased the gloss black model). I watched POTC:COTBP on Blu-Ray, first on the OM-9's and then on the STs, the difference was notable.

Oddly (and happily), the ST's are a better match for my Mirage MC-2 center speaker then the Mirage OM-9's were! In actual listening as well as with white and pink noise, the timbre match is better. Go figure, but it saves me some money from looking at a new center.

I've moved the OM-9's to act as full range surrounds to replace Citation 5.3 dipoles, and the Omnipolar design works much better here than as theater fronts. Still, I'm considering the BPVX/P's as surrounds - but it may be overkill, as the OM-9's can produce fairly deep bass on their own.

For surround backs, I'm currently using to Vienna Acoustic towers fed through a M&K MX-100 sub to acheive full range speakers all the way around. I may try a pair of M&K S-100B's that I have in storage as the surround backs instead, but even the VA's sound accoustically similar to everything else I have, so why mess with the good thing.

I'm sure the auto-EQ of the Pioneer 84txsi also helps pull all this together. Along with a 70" Sony SXRD XBR2 and butt-kicker's in the Berkline's, things are finally coming together after many years of (costly) trial and error.

Now, onto the classified to sell the Citations, a spare M&K sub, and either the Vienna's or the M&K s-100Bs...

Any feedback on the BPVX/P would be appreciated (as well as any commentary of the powered vs the non-powered version)

Thanks







Welcome to the club, I still haven't heard of any one who is disappointed with their St's. The bass pretty awesome for such a thin profile speaker Def tech as created something light years away from their original Mythos line.


DJoel
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post #2294 of 29304
5/27/07 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by mschiff View Post

Thrang,

I am VERY happy with the BPVX/P surrounds. It is amazing how much low end content I was missing before I got them.

-- Martin

Thanks for the feedback.

I think in my case, I need determine if the forward/backward firing of the OM-9 (in essence, firing toward the listening area and toward the sidewalls given their side positioning) will be too directional, as opposed to the front/rear bipolar design of the BPVX/Ps. I suspect the OM-9's, with their large woofers and being driven at 120 w/p/c (and set to large on the 84txsi) should be providing a similar full range response that the BPVX/Ps would, but I could be wrong.

Need to spend a bit more time testing some specific scenes with low frequency-heavy surround channel information...but a pair of BPVXP/s is on hole for me to pick up today, so curiosity begs me...
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post #2295 of 29304
5/27/07 at 9:46am
Hey guys what do you think I could sell my BP7002's that are about 8 months old for? I am moving into a condo next week and am going with Mythos Ones for main speakers because the 7002's will just be too powerful for the neighbors in a condo. I have a guy at work that wants to buy my 7002's. I was thinking $1,500 what do you think? They are in perfect working condition and physical condition also.
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post #2296 of 29304
5/27/07 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

Hey guys what do you think I could sell my BP7002's that are about 8 months old for? I am moving into a condo next week and am going with Mythos Ones for main speakers because the 7002's will just be too powerful for the neighbors in a condo. I have a guy at work that wants to buy my 7002's. I was thinking $1,500 what do you think? They are in perfect working condition and physical condition also.

Well, at list they are $2200 for the pair, right? Did you pay list? I've been seeing deals around 15% or so, off list. That would be a "new" street price of about $1900. So, I would think being relatively new, and in perfect condition... your asking price of $1500 is quite reasonable.

You could always put them on ebay, with a reserve of $1500, and see if you can get a few $$ more. Although there is the whole shipping issue, but it might be worth a consideration, though.
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post #2297 of 29304
5/27/07 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Well, at list they are $2200 for the pair, right? Did you pay list? I've been seeing deals around 15% or so, off list. That would be a "new" street price of about $1900. So, I would think being relatively new, and in perfect condition... your asking price of $1500 is quite reasonable.

You could always put them on ebay, with a reserve of $1500, and see if you can get a few $$ more. Although there is the whole shipping issue, but it might be worth a consideration, though.

I paid $1,900 myself If I sell it to my freind though I don't have to deal with shipping or ebay. I'm going to ask $1,500. I know he will not haggle either unless the price was completely unreasonable. I also have a older Parasound amp I don't need because I have very powerful pro amps I am using. 5 channel at 140 per channel. Possible another $500?
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post #2298 of 29304
5/27/07 at 12:52pm
Hey guys I just got my DT Pro Center 2000 and my brackers form my PM800 im happy no. what u think.

the brackets


open box


back view (so shiny) lol.


front view (w/beer in the back ground, compliments of Heineken)


complete view
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post #2299 of 29304
5/27/07 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by Uptown193 View Post

Hey guys I just got my DT Pro Center 2000 and my brackers form my PM800 im happy no. what u think.

the brackets


open box


back view (so shiny) lol.


front view (w/beer in the back ground, compliments of Heineken)


complete view




Sweet! I see everything is tieing up nicely.....Did you get it at Stereo exchange?
Did Israel help, cool people there, at times though.

Hey this might be a stretch here but I take it you might not live too far away from me..The 193 on your member name? I notice your cable box isn't your cable provider TW? Or is it Optima??


DJoel
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post #2300 of 29304
5/27/07 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by mschiff View Post

Thrang,

I am VERY happy with the BPVX/P surrounds. It is amazing how much low end content I was missing before I got them.

-- Martin

Went out and picked the the BPVX/Ps today from 6th Avenue in NJ....did a little listening, but in that short time, my impression is very positive. A few questions:

- How do you set the sub volume control? Should you crank it max, and let the receiver adjust? (but then it may lower the mid/high too much, right?) Trying to figure out how to strike the optimal balance (same goes for the Mythos ST towers as well)

- In my environment, speaker stands will work better than wall mounting - there are a lot out there, but many seem not match for the size and weight of these speakers. I'm curious if anyone is using stands for their BPVX/Ps - clearly, something with a heavy/weighted base, and a top play sufficient to keep the speakers relatively stable is needed. Looking for a 30" or so high stand. I'm wondering how these would work...

http://www.shopmainstreetonline.com/...d=6499&shopcom

- Finally, in my initial set up, I've put the BPVX/Ps as the side surrounds, and moved my Mirage OM-9 opnipolar speakers as the surround backs. I have the space to reverse this. Before I start breaking a sweat again and recalibrating, any thoughts on configuration in this respect?

Thanks
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post #2301 of 29304
5/27/07 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Sweet! I see everything is tieing up nicely.....Did you get it at Stereo exchange?
Did Israel help, cool people there, at times though.

Hey this might be a stretch here but I take it you might not live too far away from me..The 193 on your member name? I notice your cable box isn't your cable provider TW? Or is it Optima??


DJoel

Yes its all falling into place, just need the DT sub, not sure which one to get yet. I think i need something good but simple b.c of neighbors. I got it a stereo exchange and i I forgot the guys name who helped me.

Yea i live on 193 street and bway. Yes my CP is TWC.
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post #2302 of 29304
5/27/07 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Uptown193 View Post

Yes its all falling into place, just need the DT sub, not sure which one to get yet. I think i need something good but simple b.c of neighbors. I got it a stereo exchange and i I forgot the guys name who helped me.

Yea i live on 193 street and bway. Yes my CP is TWC.



That's a nice cable box, I have an ugly one I guess it doesn't really matter
A silver one would compliment the rest of my Components....
Soon enough you'll find the right sub for your set up, and your neighbors

I live on Arden a few blocks away from Broadway myself..

Enjoy

Djoel
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post #2303 of 29304
5/27/07 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

- How do you set the sub volume control? Should you crank it max, and let the receiver adjust? (but then it may lower the mid/high too much, right?) Trying to figure out how to strike the optimal balance (same goes for the Mythos ST towers as well)

- In my environment, speaker stands will work better than wall mounting - there are a lot out there, but many seem not match for the size and weight of these speakers. I'm curious if anyone is using stands for their BPVX/Ps - clearly, something with a heavy/weighted base, and a top play sufficient to keep the speakers relatively stable is needed. Looking for a 30" or so high stand. I'm wondering how these would work...

http://www.shopmainstreetonline.com/...d=6499&shopcom

- Finally, in my initial set up, I've put the BPVX/Ps as the side surrounds, and moved my Mirage OM-9 opnipolar speakers as the surround backs. I have the space to reverse this. Before I start breaking a sweat again and recalibrating, any thoughts on configuration in this respect?

Thanks

I have mine adjusted to around 11:00 - 12:00. Anything more than that is too much bass for me. I adjusted them by ear to balance the bass with the high frequencies, and then calibrated the whole system with a meter.

I use these stands (but mine are not adjustable -- I have the adjustable ones at work for my Genelec monitors and they are great too). I don't have back surrounds, just sides, and they are on either side of my couch around head height.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--QLKBS300

They are very tall, so be sure that they are located in a place where nobody will bump into them accidentally.

-- Martin
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post #2304 of 29304
5/27/07 at 8:56pm
late night tip distorting the ish out of my camera

oh and trust me its not even a tad distorted in person..

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post #2305 of 29304
5/27/07 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by Uptown193 View Post

Hey guys I just got my DT Pro Center 2000 and my brackers form my PM800 im happy no. what u think.

Ultra-cool. The mounting looks great. You got the DefTech mounts, huh? When I was talking with Chet, he told me they are great for the 800's but too small for the 1000's. That's why you saw mine with Omnimount-10's. I think yours look nicer, though.

So, waiting to hear what you think of the PC2000!!!!
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post #2306 of 29304
5/27/07 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

I paid $1,900 myself If I sell it to my freind though I don't have to deal with shipping or ebay. I'm going to ask $1,500. I know he will not haggle either unless the price was completely unreasonable. I also have a older Parasound amp I don't need because I have very powerful pro amps I am using. 5 channel at 140 per channel. Possible another $500?

Yea, if he's friend and has some trouble with $1500... maybe cut him some slack & knock $100 off I wouldn't go below that, though.

How old is the Parasound? $500 seems a tad tall, if it's an older model.

Maybe offer your friend the whole package for something like $1900.

Not sure about the amp, but the price is right for the speakers (IMHO).
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post #2307 of 29304
5/27/07 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by Uptown193 View Post

Yes its all falling into place, just need the DT sub, not sure which one to get yet. I think i need something good but simple b.c of neighbors. I got it a stereo exchange and i I forgot the guys name who helped me.

Yea i live on 193 street and bway. Yes my CP is TWC.

FWIW... I have the ProSub1000, and like it a lot. I think the 800 might work for you (neighbor problems), since you may not need the volume/punch. Both are very good subs, and pretty simple & straight forward. Nothing fancy, but good clean sound!

I'd also take a look at the SVS models.... they are very nice, too. And the PB-12 NSD is about the same $ as the ProSub1000. The PB-10 NDS about the same $ as the Pro Sub800. Only thing with them is... mailorder only, unles you know someone selling their's. So, crusie over to the AVS sub forums, and poke around.
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5/28/07 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Yea, if he's friend and has some trouble with $1500... maybe cut him some slack & knock $100 off I wouldn't go below that, though.

How old is the Parasound? $500 seems a tad tall, if it's an older model.

Maybe offer your friend the whole package for something like $1900.

Not sure about the amp, but the price is right for the speakers (IMHO).

Oh no he'll pay. He will not have a problem paying. I'm going to say $2,000 for the two. I am almost 100% sure he willl go for it with no problem.
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5/28/07 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by J.H. View Post

Hey guys what do you think I could sell my BP7002's that are about 8 months old for? I am moving into a condo next week and am going with Mythos Ones for main speakers because the 7002's will just be too powerful for the neighbors in a condo. I have a guy at work that wants to buy my 7002's. I was thinking $1,500 what do you think? They are in perfect working condition and physical condition also.

I am going to find out how tollerent the neighbors in my building are very soon. I have a pair of 7001sc'c and a 250wpc mcintosh amp on the way! I will post pics after it is set up. I'm bit of a noob when it comes to posting pics. How do you post them so they are visible on the page without having to open a link?
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5/28/07 at 4:39am
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Oh no he'll pay. He will not have a problem paying. I'm going to say $2,000 for the two. I am almost 100% sure he willl go for it with no problem.

My ex is in the Auto wholesale biz... she has a saying, "A good price is something you are willing to pay, for something you really want."

Sounds like a win-win deal... good luck!
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