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Have any of you guys ever thought about using a Studio Monitor 350 or 450 for a center channel? Or what about a Power Monitor? I have a new entertainment center that doesn't have room for my clr 2000 so I am thinking about going with the 350 or 450 Studio Monitor. Any advice??

I am using a SM 450 as center and I am quite happy with it (my left / right are also 450s). It sounds much better than ProCenter 1000 which I used before.

I have thought about but have not. I know in reviews I have read the reviewer reconmends having all speakers identical. Also Some hi-fi specialty shops I have checked out informed me the same to have all speakers identical to create a true sound.

studio and power monitors make awesome centers as long as your mains are also monitors

i would not recommend using them as a center with larger towers

my sm350 got swallowed up by my bp2000s when i tried it as a center

it's a great sounded center. very clear, very good but just gets overwhelmed even when level matched by larger towers

you also shouldn't use sm or pm monitors horizontal due to lobbing problems of running single mid single tweeter speakers on their sides. that's why you'll see most center speakers running MTM arrays (mid tweeter mid) which reduces lobbing. but not totally which is why i have always run my center channel vertical

Thanks pilot20 for your tips.

When I received the Empire I just hooked it up and played it. AMAZING!!!!

Now that it has played for a couple days I ran audysses again. It set my L/R at 40hz, center at 40hz, heights at 70hz, surrounds at 80hz. LFE at 80hz.

I normally listen near referance levels -10 to 0db on the Integra, so I thought I'd set the crossovers as you had. All at 80hz. I did and WOW? it took some strain off of the av and opened it up more. More Clarity and talk about PUNCH,TIGHTNESS, totally PHENOMENAL!!!
My neighbors say I have great taste in music.
Ive been listening to Chicago, Earth, Wind, & Fire LIVE in the Greek Theater Blu-ray @
-5db all day!!!!

My System:

Integra DTR 50.2
Samsung LED UN55C8000
Samsung Blu-ray 3D
L/R BP8B
LCR 2002
Heights & Surrounds PM1000 X4
Sub Epik Empire

Hi all. I have a question for all you owners of Def Tech speakers. I am going to buy a new large plasma tv and it will be on a typical low piece of furniture made to place flat screen tvs on. My current tv is a rear projection Mitsubishi with my center channel speaker (a Paradigm Reference Studio 100) on top of it. But here is my problem and question. My paradigm center speaker is 8 inches high and is too high to fit in most of the center channel shelves of most flat panel tv stands. I'm looking for a high quality center channel speaker that will work. So I bought at Magnolia Hi Fi a Def Tech 8040HD speaker. This speaker looks great and sounded good. But it had a problem. There was no sound at all coming from the left 4.5 inch driver. All the sound was coming out of the center tweeter and the right 4.5 inch driver. When I put my original Paradigm speaker back in the mix the sound was coming from all the drivers as it should. I returned the Def Tech speaker and they gave me a refund. I then contacted Def Tech and of course they told me the speaker had to be defective. I really loved the looks and quality of the 8040HD and it would easily fit in any center shelves because it is much shorter than my Paradigm. I am thinking of buying another one but am a little hesitant. Have any of you had this problem and what might be your thoughts about this. I thought I'd ask you Def Tech owners about your experiences with this speaker before buying another 8040HD. Thanks all.

The 8040 is part of their new line. I bought my first set of dt's about 12 years ago. I have owned 14 different models since then (seven currently) and have never had a problem with any of them. I started off with the 2000 series and now own the 7000/3000 series.

Happy to hear that you liked the xover changes.

You might want to change your LFE from 80 to 120 as recommended by Audyssey. Since the LFE only goes to the sub, if there is any data above 80hz, you won't hear it if your AVR is set to 80.

How do you like your Integra. I currently have an Onkyo, but I had an Integra Research pre/pro before, and it was a great piece of audio equipment. However, it was getting dated without all of the Audyssey and THX bells and whistles. I've looked at the Integras and they seem like really nice AVRs.

Thanx again pilot20 for the tip. I'll try the LFE setting to 120hz and see how it sounds.

I had an Denon avr 3808C1 and replaced it with the Integra DTR 50.2. There was a night and differance to me in sound improvement. I thot the Denon was awesome until I upgraded. The Integra is a little brighter, cleaner, crisper, more detailed. Has more punch also.

My next upgrade is to get a seperate amp and use the Integra as a pre/pro. I "m thinking of the Emotiva XPA5, and the XPA2. But I'm not sure what brand I'll get......

My System:

Integra DTR 50.2
Samsung LED UN55C8000
Samsung Blu-ray 3D
L/R BP8B
LCR 2002
Heights & Surrounds PM1000 X4
Sub Epik Empire

Do any of you guys have any experience with a DIY ThT sub? How do they sound with def tech towers? (mine are the bp-30's)

hi

hello

Now there's a deeply profound conversation below...

Referring back to my question on the 8040, does anybody here have an 8040HD in their system? If so, how do you like it. What do you think of the passive radiator design of the 8040 verses having two 6.5 inch active drivers to handle the mid/lower frequencies of the center channel? My current center has two 6.5 inch drivers and as I mentioned before, it will be too high for the shelf in my new cabinet when I get a flat panel tv. Anybody got any experience with this speaker? I appreciate your input.

No experience with the 8040 yet what about setting your current Center on top of the cabinet and the flat panel on top of the center speaker? You then have the center area for a key piece of equipment. Obviously I don't know what cabinet nor it's style etc thus it may be a visual no go.
Just thought I would mention it - obviously not sure of the overall size of your current center as well :-)

I wouldn't worry at all about getting another 8040 or 8060/8080 center. DT has some of the best customer service in the industry. The first being inop was probably a bad driver from the get go.

Cheers

The tv I'm thinking of getting is a 65 inch plasma and we want to put it on its stand on top of a new cabinet. But we are having a hard time finding a cabinet that has a shelf for a center speaker that has the dimensions of my Paradigm (22Wx8H) center. The height is the main problem. And since my center is not from the same manufacturer as my main L and R speakers, I am looking to change it with another high quality speaker. That's when I discovered the 8040. My L and R speakers are Sonus faber Liuto towers that I use mostly for two channel music listening, and they make a center that matches them but it is nearly as high as my Paradigm and it cost $1700!! I feel that since it is only for movies and not critical stereo listening, I don't want to spend that much on a center speaker. I find that when watching a movie, there is so much going on that if you have high quality speakers across the front, it is hard for me to tell much of a difference in sound for action scenes between the L C and R speakers. But thats just me, others may have a different opinion. Or if there is a difference it really isnt objectional. So I may try another 8040 or go for the 8060. They sound great and their finish matches the piano black of my Liutos.

So what is the optimal/recommended position for a pair of BP2X surrounds? I have them slightly behind main sitting position (maybe 6-8 inches behind) and above ear level by around 12 inches. I've always had direct radiating surrounds and this was the position I had them. Any difference with the bipole designed speakers?

I am going to check out some speakers listed as BP2000, but he has the drivers listed wrong. The over dimensions: 50" H x 9" W x 16-7/8" D are listed correctly for the BP2000.
Do I have this correct?
If there are no LFE, and it has two adjustment knobs it is a BP2000
If there is LFE, and one adjustment knob it is a BP2000TL.

Here is his ad
One pair of mint condition Definitive Technology BP-2000 speakers. Floor standing bi-polar speakers with self powered 12" sub woofer. The gloss black piano caps and grill sock are also in mint condition. Each speaker has a 12" powered sub woofer, two 5-1/4" mid range and two 1" tweeters. These speakers produce a warm, rich and precise sound. We are the original owners. Reason for sale is to downsize
Dimensions: 50" H x 9" W x 16-7/8" D

yeah he listed wrong here is spec from DT website.

BP2000 :Specifications

Dimensions | Metric :50" H x 9" W x 16-7/8" D | 127 x 22.9 x 42.9 cm
Driver Complement :Two 1" pure aluminum dome tweeter; Four 6-1/2" high definition upper bass/midrange drivers; One 15" cast basket subwoofer
Frequency Response :15 Hz - 30 kHz
Impedance :Compatible with 8 Ohms outputs
Sensitivity :90 dB
Recommended Associated Amplifier Power :30 - 500 watts
Internal Amplifier Power :300 watts
A/V Receiver Crossover Setting :Large; Full Bandwidth
Auto On / Off :Signal Sensing and Switched
Power Requirements :110 volts Alternating Current (US) | 220 volts Alternating Current (International)
Inputs :Three sets of five way binding posts: Triwireable; One full range low level RCA (optional)
Available Finishes :Piano-Gloss Black; Golden Cherry
Packaging :One to a Carton

I found a super cube for $200. Ad says 650 watts. Is that a good sub and price.

The BP2000 does have an LFE jack and two knobs. The TL had the same yet one knob.

His dimensions look correct yet driver sizes are wrong of course for the 2000.

Driver size/compliment match the BP2002.

Good luck

Are you utilizing them as "Rears" in a 7 channel system or "side/rear surrounds" in a 5 channel configuration?

Rears in a 7 channel config will be behind the main position yet in a 5.1 setup the sides/rears are typically between 90 and 110 degrees from the main seated position. As in directly to the sides and/or back a bit etc.

For example:
http://www.audioholics.com/images/img1.jpg

Cheers

that seems perfect to me. some people like them higher but i'm not one of them


bi-polars are better for surrounds in 5.1 and side surrounds in 7.1 than direct radiating

def tech puts it best so i'll borrow their words but it's all true

Bipolar dispersion pattern (speakers on front and back) for totally enveloping surround sound that puts you in the action

The Bipolar Advantage

Definitives's BP2X is a true bipolar system containing two complete full-range speaker systems, one on each side of the cabinet. Bipolar technology is absolutely superior for surround speakers because it combines the performance advantages of direct radiating (imaging, focus, localization, and specificity) and dipolar speakers (spacious, all-enveloping ambience) into one ideal system which is perfect for all multi-channel formats. The BP2X is a full-range, extremely linear, low-distortion system which is timbre-matched to blend perfectly with all Definitive BP and Studio Monitor series speakers as well as other high-quality speaker systems. The BP2X tremendous dynamic range as well as true high-definition sound quality combined with its bipolar radiation pattern results in total immersion in the sound field. Home Theater said of Definitive's bipolar surround speakers "they're actually better then dipoles for use with Dolby AC3 [Dolby Digital] digital surround systems." Video Magazine raved: "They make all the difference in the world...you feel like you're part of the movie." Sound & Image completely agreed: "The size of my room shifted almost effortlessly as the action on my TV moved from one acoustically distant environment to another...all of a sudden the walls of my living room melted away; strange birds called in the distance, and something large was sluggishly making its way through the underbrush."

Sounds like a SC-2000 or SC-III?

Both are around $600+ retail.

You don't hear much of the SC-2000 yet if it's an SC-III and depending on the size of your room it might work for ya. Overall, it would be an OK sub for $200.

Cheers

I have my BPVX's placed similar to yours in my 5.1 system, and they sound fine.

Using the BP2X as Side surrounds. I plan on getting a pair of PM1000 for the rear in building my 7.1 (future plans to get another sub to make it 7.2). I could move the couch back 6 inches to lean more to the 90 degree position for the side surrounds, since I will be adding the rear pair. Thanks for the info, Smitty, and otk as well.

that sounds like the BP-2002-TL

i have 5 of the original BP-2000s

there's no LFE input but there is a "full-range" RCA input & 2 knobs for level & EQ

the BP-2000-TL had both the LFE input and the "full-range" RCA input but got rid of the EQ knob

the original BP-2002 only had a single 5 1/4" mid front & rear sort of like a BP-8 with a built-in sub

the BP-2002-TL had the dual 5 1/4" mids front & rear "D’Appolito" arrays

Well you and I have had the BP-2000 / LFE jack discussion before otk.

I have four original BP-2000s, all have "LFE input" (single RCA input) stenciled on the back amp plate as well as describe it in the supplied manual.

Not sure what the gentlemen is advertising above. He only mentions "two" 5 1/4 inch drivers thus could just be the basic BP-2002. But his stated speaker dimensions are BP-2000 territory, not 2002/TL?

For blownalcohol's sake I hope they are BP-2000s yet priced as 2002's..

Cheers

I'm with you and the others above - sounds like you have them about perfect now. I prefer to have the surrounds a bit behind/ more at the 110 to 120 degree mark for 5.1. And height wise I think at or slightly above ear level is good.

With the BP2X/bipolar design DT's, with them at the 110 degree area you get a set of drivers pointing forward at you then the other set firing back and reflecting off rear walls typically behind you. Probably the best for a nice dispersed "side / rear" surround effect etc.

Cheers