Definitive Owners Thread - Page 821

Originally Posted by Allen Hallada


I'm not even sure its possible get big sound out of those Stealth Acoustic speakers. Can you imagine having to replace one of those? Explain that to the wife when she comes home and there is a big chunk missing in the wall. haha

I've heard alot of good about Phase Technology, but i've been a DT fan for 15 years and well.... you know how we are.

We are sticking with the DT plan! Now I have to decide on Fronts, Centers, and SWs to replace these uhummmmmmm....... Polks. (ducking from flying rocks)

Has anyone heard of using the UIW RCS II for in wall front and center channels? I can get a killer deal on them right now.

Any other suggestions for in wall front and centers in this 20x 30 room? They are going into a fireplace enclosure that has 4 cube areas to place them. Fireplace is center bottom and then I have two spaces sunken back -3 walled enclosure on each side (open front) that are 24" x 24" x 38" high where I have the Polk towers sitting now. Then I have two more spaces above each of these that are about 24x24x30 H inches. SW is in the upper left right now but was planning to move it behind the couch. Panasonic 50" Viera is between the two upper spaces above the fireplace. Center channel hanging above TV on chimney column (dry walled) The entire enclosure is dry walled so it should be easy to get into walls. I'd like to go as Stealth as possible this time unless sound is going to be really compromised.
Thanks again.
Allen

Originally Posted by Felton007

I live in a townhouse, neighbors on both sides. I currently have this as my main system in my 16 x 13, open to kitchen on side, and also open to foyer with vaulted ceiling in rear, living room. Front stage BP30's & CLR2000, side surrounds BPVX's, rear surrounds Pro Tower 400's, and an SVS 20-39 pc handling the sub duties. I'll probably be getting my hands on an SVS 20-39 pci this afternoon (Craigslist). Is there any sense in trying to integrate this into my main system, or should I just use it in the basement (BP30's, CLR2000, BPX's, Super Cube 1)?

Originally Posted by Allen Hallada

I'm in the middle of a custom install in my living room and my installer wants me to swap out my Definitive Technology UIW63/A in ceilings back (2) and UIW BP/A Two-Way Bipolar In-wall (2) sides. He wants me to install either Phase Technology or Stealth Acoustics. I have no experience with either of these companies.

Originally Posted by otk

ask him if you can audition them

Originally Posted by Wondercarrot

Hey guys,
Putting in place the final piece of the dedicated HT.
While i will enjoy music on whatever setup i go with its primary function will be Hockey games, movies and gaming.
I read through a lot of pages and now have these questions:

I am considering the 8060's (towers, center 8060, the two 8040 rear/surrounds) for this setup, no extra sub but possibly 1 extra rear (8040) if the general consensus is "holy crap you are doing this and NOT going with one or two rear speakers what a disastrous waste!"
(I obviously want great sound for this system but am not what you would consider an audiophile (that would likely be a discredit to audiophiles everywhere))

ive got a room that is approx 16' deep and 14.5' wide, 8' ceiling
Screen will be 116' wide (133" diag) across the 14.5" wide.

First row of seating with head at 13', 2nd row of seats head at 17'
id say i have a foot on either side of the screen but not much more, maybe 16" for towers away from the side wall.

So a few questions if you dont mind:

1. Is the extra rear necessary or a great addition for this system?

2. How far out from the back wall should i realistically be? is it weird to have them 2 feet in front of the screen? both visual or for sound?

3. Is 12"-16" from the side wall enough for the towers?

4. My screen is 26" from the floor, is that going to work fine with the 8060 center ( my assumption is that this must be placed as close to the bottom of the screen as possible, angled up a bit?)

5. Given my back row is essentially up against the back wall, about 16" higher and my front row gets absolute priority in any compromises made if any are required for both audio and video:
a) where should i place the surrounds and does this affect your recommendation for the rear (making it 6.1 or 7.1)


Any other thoughts or other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by g_bartman

^^^Lots of good advice. I too would recommend adding an outboard sub to the mix, either now or down the road. There is something special about the holographic soundstage that bipolar speakers are known for.

Originally Posted by yosh7

Amazing, I was just at my local Magnolia today and listened to the 8060's for the first time today. I was able to A/B between STS, 8040, and 8060's. (I am a current Mythos ST owner and in the middle of an upgrade to the BP7000's) I listened to the STS's first and, as expected, the imaging and detail were excellent - just what I would expect as that is what I love so much about my ST's. Switching to the 8060, the first thing I noticed was a more natural sound - less detail but different - it got my interest. I have to be honest that it was not my cup of tea AT FIRST, but switching back to the STS I just felt something was missing with the STS all of the sudden. The best way to describe it was that the STS sounded 2 dimensional and analytical, and then switching back to the 8060, I realized what excited me was best described as DEPTH - a 3 dimensional soundstage. There was just so much depth to the 8060's. The 8040's also sounded good, but the 8060's had more pleasing mids to my ear. Just my two cents worth from about 25 minutes of listening. I am looking forward to having that bipolar sound in my basement! Now to take a stab at your questions:
1. Extra rears: From what I understand Definitive is giving away a pair of free surrounds with a system purchase right now - so it makes the decision easy. I also do a ton of gaming and you would be surprised at how much detail is now being put into the surround back channels on my PS3 games (Uncharted 3 rocks!). I can't imagine gaming without the advantage of hearing gunshots and footsteps behind me. And with movies, the new True HD and DTS HD soundtracks are putting more and more info into the rear channels. They are worth it!
2. How far from back wall: Will depend on your room. This is not weird. Generally, closer to wall will give more bass but less soundstage. Farther away will be less bass and more depth. Experimentation is in order.
3. Not sure
4. Ideally the tweeters of all front speakers should be the same height, but this hard to achieve. Your results should be fine with having the center beneath the screen and aimed toward your ears - tilting up slightly.
5. I would set up the surrounds so the tweeters are close to the same height as the front speakers and about a foot or two just behind the main listening row. - this is just my preference. Many will say to elevate them about 2-3 feet above ear level - again depends on preference. I started with my surrounds up high, and after several holes in the wall, ended up with them about a foot above my ears. I still might make them a tad lower. And no - still get both rear speakers if you can!
6. If you have leftover cash - consider adding a good sub for .1 lfe. It will make a big difference!

Originally Posted by Wondercarrot

thanks a million Yosh7 - that's pretty outstanding timing
Im sure i will end up getting the 2 rears and going with the 7.1

the only part im a little puzzled by is the sub. both yourself and bartman
suggest getting a good sub for .1 lfe, however i had the impression that i was getting something of a .2 with the sub in each tower and liked that the def techs handled the crossover blending themselves for a seemless mix.
Do you think that the two built in subs (8" for the 8040 and 10" for the 8060) are not effective ?
i know definitive makes the claim that their two 8" subs are the equivalent of a 12" stand alone - do you not find this to be the case?

Originally Posted by Wondercarrot


thanks a million Yosh7 - that's pretty outstanding timing
Im sure i will end up getting the 2 rears and going with the 7.1

the only part im a little puzzled by is the sub. both yourself and bartman
suggest getting a good sub for .1 lfe, however i had the impression that i was getting something of a .2 with the sub in each tower and liked that the def techs handled the crossover blending themselves for a seemless mix.
Do you think that the two built in subs (8" for the 8040 and 10" for the 8060) are not effective ?
i know definitive makes the claim that their two 8" subs are the equivalent of a 12" stand alone - do you not find this to be the case?

Originally Posted by yosh7

Amazing, I was just at my local Magnolia today and listened to the 8060's for the first time today. I was able to A/B between STS, 8040, and 8060's. (I am a current Mythos ST owner and in the middle of an upgrade to the BP7000's) I listened to the STS's first and, as expected, the imaging and detail were excellent - just what I would expect as that is what I love so much about my ST's. Switching to the 8060, the first thing I noticed was a more natural sound - less detail but different - it got my interest. I have to be honest that it was not my cup of tea AT FIRST, but switching back to the STS I just felt something was missing with the STS all of the sudden. The best way to describe it was that the STS sounded 2 dimensional and analytical, and then switching back to the 8060, I realized what excited me was best described as DEPTH - a 3 dimensional soundstage. There was just so much depth to the 8060's. The 8040's also sounded good, but the 8060's had more pleasing mids to my ear. Just my two cents worth from about 25 minutes of listening.

Originally Posted by Felton007

I live in a townhouse, neighbors on both sides. I currently have this as my main system in my 16 x 13, open to kitchen on side, and also open to foyer with vaulted ceiling in rear, living room. Front stage BP30's & CLR2000, side surrounds BPVX's, rear surrounds Pro Tower 400's, and an SVS 20-39 pc handling the sub duties. I'll probably be getting my hands on an SVS 20-39 pci this afternoon (Craigslist). Is there any sense in trying to integrate this into my main system, or should I just use it in the basement (BP30's, CLR2000, BPX's, Super Cube 1)?

Originally Posted by Wondercarrot

thanks a million Yosh7 - that's pretty outstanding timing
Im sure i will end up getting the 2 rears and going with the 7.1

the only part im a little puzzled by is the sub. both yourself and bartman
suggest getting a good sub for .1 lfe, however i had the impression that i was getting something of a .2 with the sub in each tower and liked that the def techs handled the crossover blending themselves for a seemless mix.
Do you think that the two built in subs (8" for the 8040 and 10" for the 8060) are not effective ?
i know definitive makes the claim that their two 8" subs are the equivalent of a 12" stand alone - do you not find this to be the case?

Originally Posted by yosh7


Amazing, I was just at my local Magnolia today and listened to the 8060's for the first time today. I was able to A/B between STS, 8040, and 8060's. (I am a current Mythos ST owner and in the middle of an upgrade to the BP7000's) I listened to the STS's first and, as expected, the imaging and detail were excellent - just what I would expect as that is what I love so much about my ST's. Switching to the 8060, the first thing I noticed was a more natural sound - less detail but different - it got my interest. I have to be honest that it was not my cup of tea AT FIRST, but switching back to the STS I just felt something was missing with the STS all of the sudden. The best way to describe it was that the STS sounded 2 dimensional and analytical, and then switching back to the 8060, I realized what excited me was best described as DEPTH - a 3 dimensional soundstage. There was just so much depth to the 8060's. The 8040's also sounded good, but the 8060's had more pleasing mids to my ear. Just my two cents worth from about 25 minutes of listening. I am looking forward to having that bipolar sound in my basement! Now to take a stab at your questions:
1. Extra rears: From what I understand Definitive is giving away a pair of free surrounds with a system purchase right now - so it makes the decision easy. I also do a ton of gaming and you would be surprised at how much detail is now being put into the surround back channels on my PS3 games (Uncharted 3 rocks!). I can't imagine gaming without the advantage of hearing gunshots and footsteps behind me. And with movies, the new True HD and DTS HD soundtracks are putting more and more info into the rear channels. They are worth it!
2. How far from back wall: Will depend on your room. This is not weird. Generally, closer to wall will give more bass but less soundstage. Farther away will be less bass and more depth. Experimentation is in order.
3. Not sure
4. Ideally the tweeters of all front speakers should be the same height, but this hard to achieve. Your results should be fine with having the center beneath the screen and aimed toward your ears - tilting up slightly.
5. I would set up the surrounds so the tweeters are close to the same height as the front speakers and about a foot or two just behind the main listening row. - this is just my preference. Many will say to elevate them about 2-3 feet above ear level - again depends on preference. I started with my surrounds up high, and after several holes in the wall, ended up with them about a foot above my ears. I still might make them a tad lower. And no - still get both rear speakers if you can!
6. If you have leftover cash - consider adding a good sub for .1 lfe. It will make a big difference!

Originally Posted by truwarrior22

When are your bp7000's coming in? Curious how you'll like them compared to the 8060's. I enjoy my bp7000's, but found 8060's very nice sounding. I have yet to come close to maxing out my bp7000's. They were made for filling some very large rooms!

Originally Posted by otk

too bad you couldn't check out the 8080ST's

were either the 8040's or the 8060's toed in at all ?

for 2 channel listening the bi-polars like a hard toe-in

maybe the new ST bi-polars don't need it as much but i haven't auditioned them yet

Originally Posted by Cobra5wood

I have the original BP2000 towers along with a 2000 CLR and BPX surrounds. I also have a Supercube I in the mix. My room is an accoustical challenge. It is 20' by 26' with one long wall at 8' tall and the other at 16' tall. About half of the 16' tall wall is open to a staircase. I guestimate the room at 6,000 cubic feet. Are the subwoofers in the 2 towers along with the Supercube I capable of handling a room like this? My split between TV/Movies and Music is probably 80/20. I'm currently using a crossover of 40Hz to generate more bass than I get at 60Hz and it is not "muddy". I don't have a clue as to how my subwoofers would measure at my listening position of 13' away from source. Is there an optimum way to hook up my current gear? Right now I'm using speaker wire into the towers only and using the Receiver's sub out for the Supercube I. Should I consider a 2nd Supercube I to tackle this room? What other Subs have you guys paired up with this Sub with good results in such an "extreme" room?

Originally Posted by Elfather

Onkyo TX-DS575X reciever
Definitive Technology surround sound speakers
4 ProMonitor80 speakers
1 ProCinema100 center speaker
1 ProSub80 sub woofer
All For $350 locally, is that a good deal? do it or don't? it will be a nice set up for my bedroom...

Originally Posted by Elfather

Wow he said he will let go for $250!! Def gonna take a stab at this.

Originally Posted by yosh7

My dealer just called yesterday and said they are in! Unfortunately I live about an hour and a half away from him so I have to find time to clear out the minivan and drive over to haul those beasts back. It is somewhat of a compromise. I really like the more laid back sounding tweeter design in the mythos st/newer bp series but my room is begging for the huge powered built in sub and large mids in the bp7000s. I currently use the bpx's for surrounds and am growing accustomed to their more "up front" sounding tweeter. I also ordered the 8080 center channel because my furniture would not accommodate the clr 3000. Although it definitely won't be a perfect match, I think I will like the center having the updated tweeter, especially for movie dialogue. I can't imagine not being happy with the result. The end result of the current upgrade will be bp7000 l/r, 8080hd center, bpx surrounds, and
mythos st rears with 2 sc references for lfe. If I do indeed like the bp7000's as much as I think, I plan on replacing the bpx's with another pair of bp7000's by april I will post listening impressions with my mish/mash mix of old bp/new bp and mythos st as soon as I have set everything up. And per bass master otk, I plan on selling my sc references down the road and upgrading to 2 season submerssives

Originally Posted by yosh7

My dealer just called yesterday and said they are in! Unfortunately I live about an hour and a half away from him so I have to find time to clear out the minivan and drive over to haul those beasts back. It is somewhat of a compromise. I really like the more laid back sounding tweeter design in the mythos st/newer bp series but my room is begging for the huge powered built in sub and large mids in the bp7000s. I currently use the bpx's for surrounds and am growing accustomed to their more "up front" sounding tweeter. I also ordered the 8080 center channel because my furniture would not accommodate the clr 3000. Although it definitely won't be a perfect match, I think I will like the center having the updated tweeter, especially for movie dialogue. I can't imagine not being happy with the result. The end result of the current upgrade will be bp7000 l/r, 8080hd center, bpx surrounds, and
mythos st rears with 2 sc references for lfe. If I do indeed like the bp7000's as much as I think, I plan on replacing the bpx's with another pair of bp7000's by april I will post listening impressions with my mish/mash mix of old bp/new bp and mythos st as soon as I have set everything up. And per bass master otk, I plan on selling my sc references down the road and upgrading to 2 season submerssives