Definitive Owners Thread - Page 877

Maybe so. Not that I doubt you, but all this technology must be helpful

"includes state-of-the-art features like high-definition polymer coned cast-basket bass/midrange drivers, wide dispersion tweeters, and complex Linkwitz-Riley crossover networks"

Any thoughts on the ideal size dedicated theater room I may be moving and need to build one in the basement. I have a 81" tv, 7002 towers clr 3000 center, 4 bpvx surrounds, and a vylodyne sub. It would be quite smaller then my set up now witch is in my living room. Just a rough guess would be 13x17 for the new room.

incase some of you missed it I have some vids on youtube of my 8060-st towers playing music and a few movies....this is just for fun....I just recently got the matching cs-8060 center....if anyone would like to hear a specific movie or song ill do requests...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF_LBvXu0qo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCH25...eature=channel

thanks Josh. cool videos

i just use speaker wire. i have tried RCA's and noticed no difference

if you do try it on your center, make sure you use the center pre-out and not the subwoofer output and make sure you recalibrate the sub section of your center speaker because you will be getting a hotter signal from the RCA

personally i don't think it's worth the trouble

Hello G Bart,
Many folks just don't realize how much difference placement can make - even me! In 2004, I was hired by Velo and brought home a new sub. I was amazed to find that my previous sub (a good one) was in the wrong spot in my living room the whole time. I put the Velo where the old one was, wasn't impressed... and found that a foot and a half to the right made all the difference. Lesson? Always experiment! Thanks for owning Definitive - best, Joe

it's a good thing Velo didn't find out you had your sub in the wrong spot before they hired you

Hello Low, rule #1 is to experiment! The recommended THX standard is 80 Hz. But with lots of small speakers, you get a better blend at 100 Hz or even 120, letting the sub fill in what the small sats cannot do. But... the higher you cross over the sub, the more directional it becomes, and easily localized bass is irritating bass. So with bass capable speakers like BP 8060 and CS 8060, I suggest experimenting with 60 or even 40, assuming you have a sub. You can try them full range too, but my guess is that in most rooms, you'll get your best result at 60 or 40. I hope this helps - best, Joe

OTK, you funny! Yep - I thought I knew a lot about subs before I worked there. I soon found out how much I didn't know! Life's for learning, right?

Why not put the front 3 speakers at full,surrounds at 80 and sub at 80? I was watching Transformers last night and with the front 3 on full,it sounded better. Optimus voice had that deep resonance that it didn't on 60-80 hz..

So then keep it at that....... If it sounds better to you then why change it because of what other people do? Like a previous poster said:

"Hello Low, rule #1 is to experiment!"

That's what I did.. But when other people tell you religiously to put it at 80 fronts,100 center and surrounds and 120 sub.. It makes you second guess yourself.. Ya know.

Listen to other people's opinions, then experiment and do what sounds best to you. I run all my channels full frequency except the rear surrounds and it sounds great. If I had taken most everybody else's advice, I wouldn't have done so.

All I know is when I put the front 3 to full,it sounded much better and full. Optimus Primes voice just resonated,sounded great. The sub was still going full bore also. Just filled the whole room..

i run all my channels large. love it. wouldn't have it any other way


yet

I'm calling the Crossover Police.

No Crossover is the Best Crossover.

For years growing up, I listened to a stereo with 20W 8" full range dual cone paper speakers.


Awesome sound. In fact, that speaker is still in production, even after 30 years.

You don't need to crossover speakers with subs in them. Just crossover the surrounds,then you will get the benefit of all the bass.. I think the crossover police are rent a cops.. :P

LOL no need to call them, i think under the "patriot" act, they know already

you think your receiver is just getting firmware updates off the net ?

back then receivers had subsonic filters and no blu rays putting out 3hz

There's not right or wrong rule. It's more depends on your equipments & the room I guess. I used to run my 7002 in full along with a SC1 in my old HT. But in my (currently building) new HT, I'm planning to cross them at 40hz when pair them with a SVS PB12+/Ultra13.

So, it's all depends.....

not using a crossover takes you down a slippery slope

Meaning? If your surrounds are set at 100hz and your sub is at 120.. Why would it matter if the front three were crossed at 60,80,100? The bass should be getting redirected to the sub because of the surrounds,right?

ok you didn't get the "slope" joke

but to answer your question. it all depends on a lot of things

first of all i like my bass coming from the channel that the director placed it in

plus in most cases, if your speakers are capable of handling the frequencies, the bass is better blended with perfect slopes and perfect phase

i wouldn't recommend everyone use the large setting. probably only the bp7000 bp2000 and bp3000. most other towers could help from a 40hz 60hz or sometimes even a 80hz crossover unless you're only doing music than pretty much any tower can be set to large.

but every room, every set-up, every listening preference is going to be different so it's best to just listen and go with what sounds best to you

some people live and die by measurements which is fine. whatever floats your boat

everyone has bass management in their receivers so it's free and easy to experiment. just have a seat and pick up the remote

as far as a the center. that will also depend. i have no trouble keeping mine set to large. so far i have only come across one movie where i heard the port breathing heavily and that was from the movie Pulse and only at reference levels plus i was standing near the speaker

another thing to remember with bass management is if you are one who likes to run your subwoofers "hot", you are not just running the LFE channel hot, you are also running the redirected bass from any channels set to "small" hot as well. not a very desirable thing, especially concerning the center channel

one more thing, if your speaker happens to be in a bad spot and you're getting a nasty null in response, you'll probably want to use bass management. EQ can't fix that. a plus for towers is there are dual subs helping smooth response

Lowtech we both have the same speakers...8060 towers and 8060 center...running our fronts full does sound best..granted I don't have an external sub just towers and center...but hell in my room 2 10 inch subs in the towers and an 8 in the center another sub isn't needed...only thing to cross at 80 or 100 is surrounds...everything else should be full IMO...

The speakers' actual capability aside, do you guys understand the benefit that crossing over a channel provides at the amplification stage? It can provide a huge increase in available headroom for cleaner reproduction of those frequencies that the amplifier IS asked to amplify. An 80Hz crossover reduces the workload on an amplifier by ~66%.

my little old Denon 3802 runs 5 bp2000 2 bp30s and a clr3000 all set to large with no problem

back in the pro logic days, the front channels would have 100 watts and the surrounds 20 or 40 but when dolby digital came out, they made the power equal to all channels because the surrounds are now full-range

def techs are not that bad on efficiency. usually around 92db

now if you're planning on running an entry level receiver in a very large room then yes that may be an issue

This misses the point.


relevance?


relevance?


The benefit is there, regardless.

Granted, owners of powered towers or someone who is trying to run a dedicated subwoofer on their speaker channels (who would do this?!?!?!? ) has a unique situation that could warrant leaving the speaker channels running full-range. But even using a 40Hz crossover setting can provide an appreciable benefit.

I think it entirely depends on the sound your getting.. If you cross it at 40 or 80 and it doesn't sound as good,what's the point of crossing it.? Also depends on the movie I think also. Going from Iron man 2 to Tron Legacy is a big difference..

That's why I run mega amplification.

I told you the "point". Among other things, it reduces the load on the AVR's amplifiers considerably, allowing the amplifiers to more cleanly amplify those frequencies they ARE asked to amplify.

Have you tried a 40Hz crossover with the speakers you are running full-range?

Regarding the "sound your (sic) getting", the sound you're getting may have as much or much more to do with your room and exact settings (i.e., a tower's sub's volume setting, among many other things) than it does with the crossover point you are or are not using. Definitively determining that you prefer running the speakers full-range over crossing them over would require carefully making sure that you eliminate or reduce as much as possible ANY other variables which are affecting the results. And there are PLENTY of other variables, here.