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post #26401 of 29423
4/10/12 at 3:48am
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

Most will sell in the $250-$275 range. $175-$225 is typically the lowest found for "mint"

Is that all That seems low considering what the cost for the new line of rear speakers are being offered. A friend just sold a pair for >$350 in good shape.
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post #26402 of 29423
4/10/12 at 3:51am
Good advice Plex. Here is a good choice

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/empire.html
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post #26403 of 29423
4/10/12 at 5:12am
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Advice please: I helped my cousin buy a pair of 7002's CLR 2002 and a pair of BPX's. He now wants to know is his system complete. I told him adding a sub would improve the preformace of the 7002's, am I right? If so, what sub should he get, the room is 16x25x9. He does not want to spend over $1000

that's a nice sized room. not sure a $1000 sub is going to sound much better than the dual subs of the 7002s. you'll probably get a tad more extension but not much more output at that price point

i might try and talk him into another $500 and go with one of these

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV15HP.html

or perhaps dual empires

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/empire.html

or just save up and get a seaton submersive-HP and be done with it. never worry about sound quality or output for decades to come

but if he absolutely can't go over $1000 i guess take a look at the new HSU ported sub

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

or maybe a single empire nearfield and add a 2nd down the road

just look at ID brands like HSU Epik Ed SVS and pick the best sub he can afford

just remember that once he sets his 7002's to small he's taking dual 12" subs with quad passive radiators out of the mix and replacing with a single $1000 sub for a larger sized room. he really should try and up the budget a bit. sometimes waiting longer and saving up for a better sub pays off

if he goes with a store bought sub that will make things even harder
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post #26404 of 29423
4/10/12 at 5:21am
as far as people using the speaker level (high-level) input/outputs every sub is different. check the specs and the manual if possible

i'm pretty sure all the def tech subs use a Non Variable 6 dB/octave @ 80 Hz crossover

6db is a first-order slope and has a very gentle roll-off so you should make sure your speaker is flat to at least 40hz which will only be down 6db from 80hz and 20hz only down another 6db
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post #26405 of 29423
4/10/12 at 8:02am
Hello OTK, once again you are on it.
1. Our high-pass crossover point is typically 80 Hz @ 6 dB per octave, fixed
2. It is active only on speaker level inputs, keeping the sats from trying to reproduce low frequencies that they won't handle well
3. The exceptions: ProCinema 600 and ProCinema 60, which cross over at 100 Hz, and the ProCinema 400 which crosses at 120, for better blending with the sats. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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post #26406 of 29423
4/10/12 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Plex View Post


Is that all That seems low considering what the cost for the new line of rear speakers are being offered. A friend just sold a pair for >$350 in good shape.

It is hit or miss. $350 from a sellers stand point is great for a pair of used 2X's. But for that price you typically get a pair of used BPX's. I tend to watch the used DT market pretty close in my neck of the woods as well as eBay. There was a pair of 2X's that just went for a bit over $300 on eBay - definitely mint with box and manuals. Local Craigslist however I have yet to see a pair listed for over $275, condition pending of course.

Cheers
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post #26407 of 29423
4/10/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

It is hit or miss. $350 from a sellers stand point is great for a pair of used 2X's. But for that price you typically get a pair of used BPX's. I tend to watch the used DT market pretty close in my neck of the woods as well as eBay. There was a pair of 2X's that just went for a bit over $300 on eBay - definitely mint with box and manuals. Local Craigslist however I have yet to see a pair listed for over $275, condition pending of course.

Cheers

My 10 month old BP 2X pair sold for $319 + shipping on ebay a few weeks ago. So it does seem like their prices have gone up since they were discontinued.
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post #26408 of 29423
4/11/12 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by otk View Post


that's a nice sized room. not sure a $1000 sub is going to sound much better than the dual subs of the 7002s. you'll probably get a tad more extension but not much more output at that price point

i might try and talk him into another $500 and go with one of these

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV15HP.html

or perhaps dual empires

http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/empire.html

or just save up and get a seaton submersive-HP and be done with it. never worry about sound quality or output for decades to come

but if he absolutely can't go over $1000 i guess take a look at the new HSU ported sub

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

or maybe a single empire nearfield and add a 2nd down the road

just look at ID brands like HSU Epik Ed SVS and pick the best sub he can afford

just remember that once he sets his 7002's to small he's taking dual 12" subs with quad passive radiators out of the mix and replacing with a single $1000 sub for a larger sized room. he really should try and up the budget a bit. sometimes waiting longer and saving up for a better sub pays off

if he goes with a store bought sub that will make things even harder

$1000 could go a long way if he looks at "pre-owned" subs. I got my SVS 16-46pc+ for $500.
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post #26409 of 29423
4/11/12 at 4:02am
Hi All-

I was considering upgrading to a supercube 6000, however, this morning newegg has the supercube I on sale for $499, brand new, not refurb'd.

Thoughts/opinions on the 6000 vs the I?

As fyi, my room is about 14' x 24' with standard 8' ceilings. The back wall of the 24' side has a 7' opening to the kitchen.

Thanks!
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post #26410 of 29423
4/11/12 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

$1000 could go a long way if he looks at "pre-owned" subs. I got my SVS 16-46pc+ for $500.

yup, used is another option

but how much of an improvement would a single 16-46pc be over dual bp7002's in a 16x25x9 room ?

maybe some but i still think he should be looking for something that can move a bit more air for that size space
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post #26411 of 29423
4/11/12 at 8:32am
I would get the SuperCube 1.. Wish I had the moeny right now I would pick up 2 for the price newegg has them for.
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post #26412 of 29423
4/12/12 at 8:01am
Yeah I'm in a similar situation. Our LR is about 25'x15' with one side opening to kitchen and sloped 11' ceiling. Got a good deal on a new Outlaw EX bout a month ago for $475 but there was little improvement, if any, over dual 7001's in the room. Over the weekend I removed the sub, reran Audessey, it set mains back to large and I dare say it does a better job of filling the room. Of course I could have got another EX but I decided it would be better to just save up for some Ultra's or a Submersive and sell the EX.
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post #26413 of 29423
4/12/12 at 8:26am
Any one compared the Supercube 1 to the Outlaw EX? If so what were your thoughts ? Thanks
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post #26414 of 29423
4/12/12 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

that's a nice sized room. not sure a $1000 sub is going to sound much better than the dual subs of the 7002s. you'll probably get a tad more extension but not much more output at that price point

just remember that once he sets his 7002's to small he's taking dual 12" subs with quad passive radiators out of the mix and replacing with a single $1000 sub for a larger sized room. he really should try and up the budget a bit. sometimes waiting longer and saving up for a better sub pays off

Hmmm..... I'm confused otk.

I always thought most of the time it was recommended to set any BP supertower to small, cross them at 40/60hz (depends on the model), and have a dedicated sub to do the ultra low bass duty?

I'm at the planning stage for my new HT (15'x20'x9'), and was planning to purchase a PB12+ sub and cross my BP7002 @ 40hz. From what I read from the above statement, may be I should set it to Large then?
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post #26415 of 29423
4/12/12 at 9:24am
Everyone's room, expectations are different. When I had my 7001's up front, I set them at 40 hz and let my subs do the heavy lifting. When listening to music, I only use my svs pb12+2 and turn the other three off. The svs hits notes (pipe organ etc) the the 7001's simply cant when set to large. Again, this is in my room, ymmv.
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post #26416 of 29423
4/12/12 at 9:32am
What about running double bass? Mains to large and sub +LFE? Would that not work better and even out the bass in the room?
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post #26417 of 29423
4/12/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Hmmm..... I'm confused otk.

I always thought most of the time it was recommended to set any BP supertower to small, cross them at 40/60hz (depends on the model), and have a dedicated sub to do the ultra low bass duty?

I'm at the planning stage for my new HT (15'x20'x9'), and was planning to purchase a PB12+ sub and cross my BP7002 @ 40hz. From what I read from the above statement, may be I should set it to Large then?

It's always a good idea to experiment.

If I may, I believe what otk was referring to is that given his (Plex's) large room and plans for a single standalone sub, cutting his 7002's even at 40 hz may not be the best option. It may sound better to let the 7002's work as much of their magic as they can in the below than 40 hz range to "facilitate" the other $1000 sub. Now if his standalone sub was a performance beast or Plex had twins, cutting the 7002's at 40 or 60 hz would/may be best etc.

That's another reason however why I like the RCA/LFE connection to my towers (near 100% HT use however,,). Whether I add a crossover point or not I know I can still direct/utilize low frequencies and LFE out of the built in subs etc.

Cheers
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post #26418 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:25pm
yeah my post had nothing to do with large or small setting

the point was when you get your new sub and set your towers to small, you're taking away dual 12" subs and replacing them with a single sub (in the $1000 price range) you "might" not get the improvements you're hoping for in a very large room
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post #26419 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:28pm
I understand with a lesser sub, it doesn't make sense to cross the supertower. In my case, in my old HT, I have BP7002 & a SC1, I ran the BP7002 in Large + Sub 'cos I know the SC1 isn't much, if any, better than the BP7002. If I cross them, I might end up with less output and/or extension.

But I saw otk had a VTF-15 in his $1000 list! May be that what made me confused as we all know the VTF-15 is one of the best sub for the money with very good output & extension.
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post #26420 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:32pm
now i'm confused
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post #26421 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:33pm
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now i'm confused

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post #26422 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:38pm
if anyone is into the Titanic there are a lot of specials on the history and science channels. i believe Sunday is the 100 year anniversary of it's sinking

H2 (history 2) is running a marathon right now
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post #26423 of 29423
4/12/12 at 12:58pm
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if anyone is into the Titanic there are a lot of specials on the history and science channels. i believe Sunday is the 100 year anniversary of it's sinking

H2 (history 2) is running a marathon right now

There's also a good BBC mini-series entitled "Titanic" from the same folks who produce the Downton Abbey series that should be airing stateside soon.
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post #26424 of 29423
4/12/12 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by |JuiceZ| View Post

There's also a good BBC mini-series entitled "Titanic" from the same folks who produce the Downton Abbey series that should be airing stateside soon.

i wonder if that's the 4 part series that ABC is running this week-end

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/titanic/EP01410493
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post #26425 of 29423
4/12/12 at 1:32pm
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i wonder if that's the 4 part series that ABC is running this week-end

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/titanic/EP01410493

Yup that's it.
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post #26426 of 29423
4/12/12 at 1:54pm
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Yup that's it.

cool. i had that one set on my DVR
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post #26427 of 29423
4/12/12 at 3:06pm
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Is that all That seems low considering what the cost for the new line of rear speakers are being offered. A friend just sold a pair for >$350 in good shape.

I saw a mint bp2x pair listed for $200 on Philly Craigslist. Take a look if you are local.
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post #26428 of 29423
4/12/12 at 9:13pm
Just joined the DefTech club by getting a pair of outdoor AW6500 speakers. I am actually using them in an unfinished basement, supplemented by a 12" sub. They sound good and can take a lot of power from the amp.
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post #26429 of 29423
4/13/12 at 3:13am
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Just joined the DefTech club by getting a pair of outdoor AW6500 speakers. I am actually using them in an unfinished basement, supplemented by a 12" sub. They sound good and can take a lot of power from the amp.

Cool. I have some on my patio and love them. My neighbors, well,.......
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post #26430 of 29423
4/13/12 at 6:46am
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Just joined the DefTech club by getting a pair of outdoor AW6500 speakers. I am actually using them in an unfinished basement, supplemented by a 12" sub. They sound good and can take a lot of power from the amp.

Welcome Pete. I can verify that Abraham LIncoln did, in fact, say that "The problem with quotes on the internet is that you never know if they're real." I know this because he told me so himself over a couple of Bud tall-boys.
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