Definitive Owners Thread - Page 889

Originally Posted by ferrari fan

Hi Joe,
Thank you for the input on my posting. I'm ending up getting the ProMonitor 1000's for the four speakers, with the ProCenter 1000 for the center. By the way, I'm getting the speakers, minus the sub as I already had it, from a seller here on AVS Forums. The sub is a BIC F12.

What setting would you recommend for the speakers ? 80 Hz ? Sub at 120 Hz ? I'll let my Pioneer VSX 1014TX do the initial surround set up using it's MACC system at first. I can't recall if it does let me set speaker Hz or only small / large as it's been a while since I've set up speakers on this reciever.

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Originally Posted by yosh7

What an awesome idea. There needs to be a way to upgrade our speakers - visually and acoustically - this seems like it would be a great way to add revenue for Definitive. There could be a new MTV show called "Pimp my Speakers." Color endcap choices again, multiple color sock choices, exposed drivers, clear cabinets that show the crossovers and internals, digital sub-volume gains with remotes, upgradable amps, detachable power cords and on and on and on. There could be a "base" value model that could be upgraded with mods over time.

Seriously, this IS a great idea. I'm sure many of us would gladly update crossovers or drivers at some point.

Originally Posted by otk

they could upgrade by going back to the old original Vifa drivers

Originally Posted by eshep3

Everything I read says that in-walls should have enclosures. Most of the deftech's do, but not the BP/As. Is the enclosure not as necessary for surrounds?

Originally Posted by g_bartman

Great info Joe, that all makes sense. We sometimes are like mad scientists and want to "Frankenstein" our speakers. If l lived near Baltimore, my resume would be on it's way. I live near Cleveland. You know, the city who's football team you stole and turned into a perennial contendor. What are your thoughts on Audyssey and other such room correction software, especially with bipolars and powered towers? I've had good results with xt32 but some other seem to have issues.

Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive

Aww... be nice...
Actually, the BP 10, 20 and 2000 all used Vifa originally, but not the BP 7000. Best, Joe

Originally Posted by sunspot

Hey folks, I created a new thread with the same question, but thought I would also post here since I'm looking at Def Techs for my new system:

We are trying to install either a 5.1 or 7.1 system in our family room. In the order of most use, it will be HDTV, gaming, and movies. Very little to no music listening. It is a larger room with the main seating about 17ft from the display and about 16ft. wide.
I plan on creating a dedicated basement space in the future for movies.

I am waiting for a quote, but here is what our A/V guy is recommending based on our $2k budget, all Def Tech:
Fronts - StudioMonitor 45
Center - ProCenter 2000
Surrounds - UIW 63/A in-ceiling.
Fed by my existing Denon 3808 AVR.

The layout isn't real conducive to speakers on the sidewalls, but we could make it happen if the quality is worth it.

How does this look?

Originally Posted by truwarrior22

I just love matching speakers all the way around especially if you like multi channel music, etc

Originally Posted by hakstone

True dat. (6 BP8s)

Originally Posted by ben_r_

Welp, couldnt find a place to listen to, reviews on them from actual users, or much more than the Def Tech specs, pics and video, but I went ahead and ordered three Mythos XTR-50's. Found a great deal on them brand new so I jumped. Ill be using a Pioneer VSX-1022 to test them out with a Def Tech ProSub 1000 and no rears yet. Theyll be here Monday and Ill post back when Ive had a chance to play with them a bit.

Originally Posted by otk

i know

Originally Posted by josh6113

I too would like clarification on this...I own a vsx-31 elite reciever with MCACC and it never really works for my 8060 system...usually run them with no EQ and just set the distance.

Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive

Hello Josh and G,
This is a good question, and I am afraid it has no simple answer. I think the room EQ solution software is a fascinating attempt - often successful - at helping overcome one of the system's biggest limitations, the room. I used to marvel at how great speakers could sound "not so great" sometimes, until I started learning about room acoustics. But some early versions of those software solutions were unreliable at best. Years ago I heard a representative from THX state in plain English that the EQ solutions of that era were "No good - as in, run them 10 times, and you'll get 10 different results". The software has gotten much better lately, and is not junk now.
But I suggest, as with other audio items (speaker and sub placement, crossover and phase settings etc.) that experimentation is the key. If you try it, and get great results, with things sounding better - keep it. If as Josh says, you try it and it makes things sound worse in your room, with your gear - then ditch it. Regarding bass frequencies especially, simple physics tells us that if you try to EQ over too broad an area, you'll struggle. Room interaction anomalies can vary widely over just a few feet. Asking EQ to make things sound good for everyone in the room is asking a lot. One analogy is the auto-focus feature on a camera. Often, they give great results - but sometimes they get fooled, and you can do better by focusing it yourself. My guess is that such software will continue to improve as more information can be loaded on to chips, and as the software vendors get better at understanding how to improve their stuff. I hope this helps - best, Joe

Originally Posted by josh6113

yes thank you...im still messing around with my settings and last night while tweaking(this is tedious but alot of fun...lol)..I think I've got my speakers almost perfect...music especially has a much more elicate and wonderful sound than before...its seems that tweaking and EQ is at the very heart of making any system sound its best....

Originally Posted by g_bartman

Great info Joe, that all makes sense. We sometimes are like mad scientists and want to "Frankenstein" our speakers. If l lived near Baltimore, my resume would be on it's way. I live near Cleveland. You know, the city who's football team you stole and turned into a perennial contendor. What are your thoughts on Audyssey and other such room correction software, especially with bipolars and powered towers? I've had good results with xt32 but some other seem to have issues.

Originally Posted by sunspot

Hey folks, I created a new thread with the same question, but thought I would also post here since I'm looking at Def Techs for my new system:

We are trying to install either a 5.1 or 7.1 system in our family room. In the order of most use, it will be HDTV, gaming, and movies. Very little to no music listening. It is a larger room with the main seating about 17ft from the display and about 16ft. wide.
I plan on creating a dedicated basement space in the future for movies.

I am waiting for a quote, but here is what our A/V guy is recommending based on our $2k budget, all Def Tech:
Fronts - StudioMonitor 45
Center - ProCenter 2000
Surrounds - UIW 63/A in-ceiling.
Fed by my existing Denon 3808 AVR.

The layout isn't real conducive to speakers on the sidewalls, but we could make it happen if the quality is worth it.

How does this look?

Originally Posted by coN83

So i jumped on a pair of SM55. Brought them home, had a small audition for about 30 minutes. Early impressions?

Pretty incredible. They have a forward sound vs the LSI9s (which are very laid back, dark) but they are NOT fatiguing at all. Bass suprisingly doesnt distort at higher volumes, they completely stay coherent along with the rest of the freq. spectrum. Dreams by Fleetwood Mac sounded incredible cranked up.

Ill have to break them in so im gonna leave them running for the next two days and start some serious listening.

Unless the break-in period is less than 50 hours... Joe?

Unloading in the garage:

Originally Posted by Martycool007


IMHO, you can do much better than that for your $2000 budget, if you buy used. Check out A-gon and look for deals on Definitive speakers. You have a big room and set way back (17ft?) from the speakers. No bookshelves from any manufacture are going to fill that room up. You have a really nice receiver, so keep that. I would be on the lookout for a pair of BP-30's or BP-20's, which are the same as the newer BP-7000 top of the line flagship models, only difference is they do not have powered subs built in. If you can't find a pair of those used, I recommend your next best option is the BP-10b's, which you can probably find for under $700.00 if you look around. For the center channel, look for a C/L/R-2000 used, they are on ebay every day (along with the BP-10b), those go for around $250.00 and this center speaker matches the BP-10b's. As far as surrounds go, look on ebay as they have lots of good deals on both new and used inwalls. I don't know much about the Definitive Technology inwalls, but I recommend looking for the ones with 6.5 inch drivers. You could get all of this for well under a grand, and still have plenty of cash left over for a sub. I would bet my life that this setup would be one of the best sounding ht rooms you will ever hear. The original plan that you had laid out, will not please you, especially if you listen from 17ft back.

Originally Posted by Martycool007

IMHO, you can do much better than that for your $2000 budget, if you buy used. Check out A-gon and look for deals on Definitive speakers. You have a big room and set way back (17ft?) from the speakers. No bookshelves from any manufacture are going to fill that room up. You have a really nice receiver, so keep that. I would be on the lookout for a pair of BP-30's or BP-20's, which are the same as the newer BP-7000 top of the line flagship models, only difference is they do not have powered subs built in. If you can't find a pair of those used, I recommend your next best option is the BP-10b's, which you can probably find for under $700.00 if you look around. For the center channel, look for a C/L/R-2000 used, they are on ebay every day (along with the BP-10b), those go for around $250.00 and this center speaker matches the BP-10b's. As far as surrounds go, look on ebay as they have lots of good deals on both new and used inwalls. I don't know much about the Definitive Technology inwalls, but I recommend looking for the ones with 6.5 inch drivers. You could get all of this for well under a grand, and still have plenty of cash left over for a sub. I would bet my life that this setup would be one of the best sounding ht rooms you will ever hear. The original plan that you had laid out, will not please you, especially if you listen from 17ft back.

Originally Posted by sunspot

Thanks for the advice Marty. I can't believe I left the sub out of that list! He is recommending the Supercube 2000. Keep in mind I still don't have a quote. For all I know it will come in well under 2k. That was just what I gave him to work with. We don't have room for floor standing speakers in this location. If we did I would just use my Klipsch RF3 IIs and SVS sub.
I'm concerned with speakers not filling the room, but if that is the case then I will just have him take the speakers back and I will get something else. Except for the in-ceilings. That would be a hassle.

And again, we won't listen at reference level often with 2 young kids in the house. Not until the dedicated theater is done anyway

Do these fact change anything in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Martycool007

IMHO, you can do much better than that for your $2000 budget, if you buy used. Check out A-gon and look for deals on Definitive speakers. You have a big room and set way back (17ft?) from the speakers. No bookshelves from any manufacture are going to fill that room up. You have a really nice receiver, so keep that. I would be on the lookout for a pair of BP-30's or BP-20's, which are the same as the newer BP-7000 top of the line flagship models, only difference is they do not have powered subs built in. If you can't find a pair of those used, I recommend your next best option is the BP-10b's, which you can probably find for under $700.00 if you look around. For the center channel, look for a C/L/R-2000 used, they are on ebay every day (along with the BP-10b), those go for around $250.00 and this center speaker matches the BP-10b's. As far as surrounds go, look on ebay as they have lots of good deals on both new and used inwalls. I don't know much about the Definitive Technology inwalls, but I recommend looking for the ones with 6.5 inch drivers. You could get all of this for well under a grand, and still have plenty of cash left over for a sub. I would bet my life that this setup would be one of the best sounding ht rooms you will ever hear. The original plan that you had laid out, will not please you, especially if you listen from 17ft back.

Originally Posted by steeletool

Just got a pair of Bp-8020st's to go along with procenter 1000 and pro monitor 800 for rears . I'm sure this is mentioned somewhere in the 1800 page thread , but I'm wondering what the consensus is on speaker level or line level inputs on the subs . Also has anyone used audyssey with the 8020? And if they did, dod you use line level or just full range . Thanks is advance

Originally Posted by steeletool

Just got a pair of Bp-8020st's to go along with procenter 1000 and pro monitor 800 for rears . I'm sure this is mentioned somewhere in the 1800 page thread , but I'm wondering what the consensus is on speaker level or line level inputs on the subs . Also has anyone used audyssey with the 8020? And if they did, dod you use line level or just full range . Thanks is advance