or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Definitive Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Definitive Owners Thread - Page 895

post #26821 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

I recently moved to a smaller apartment, temporary, and I have a few questions regarding positioning that I was hoping you guys could help me with. First, let me say that my setup consist of BP-30's (L,R) c/l/r-2000 (C) BP1.2x (SR, SL) as well as a MFW-15 subwoofer (the amp in my sub bit the dust last night) all powered by a Denon avr-3312.

First, I would like to do a sketch up of the room and post it here so that I could get some opinions on placement, but, I have no idea how to do a sketchup on the computer? Any advise on that? I guess I could use the Microsoft Paint program, I am not sure though?
Second, what is the general school of thought on how far to pull the towers out from the front wall? How far should the towers be from the side walls? How important do you guys think it is to have the Left and Right speakers equal distance from the side walls?

Hello Marty, I hope you're feeling well today. We suggest pulling the speakers out at least a foot or two from the back wall if possible, and at least 2-3 feet from the side wall if you can. In our experience, experimenting with the difference from the side walls often gives even more improvement than pulling the speakers out from the back wall. There is no perfect answer, because this stuff is room dependent. Speakers sometimes sound their best when pulled out about 1/3rd of the way into the room...at which point, the significant other may threaten to shoot the person placing the speakers...
Seriously, that's part of why we advise experimenting. The best place for sound may be totally impractical. BTW left and right ideally should be placed eqidistant from the side walls, but that's only if you are listening directly in the center. Bipolar speakers are generally more forgiving than others, as the sound field is more immersive. Good luck and let us know how it goes - Best, Joe
post #26822 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by BRAISKI View Post


Hi Joe, thanks for the reply... Great to know I was wondering if there "should" be a proper way.


The living room is about W-13'x L-15' (18' really but the HT area is till 15').


Currently the BP2002s are placed about 19" from the back wall and 22" from the side wall. But I want to mention on both corners there is a book case which is 22.5" x 17" then I put my BP around the corner of the book case.


So far I am a lot happier than my previous set up since the other place was an odd shape living room, the TV was in the corner.

Hi Braiski,
I also have a set of BP2002 speakers. My room is is similar to yours 14.5 x 14.5 x 9. I placed both speakers about 12" from the back wall and subs facing out. And then swapped them to subs facing each other. Watched Iron man opening scene where they attack the convoy and Jericho missile launch. I forgot to mention I had the gain half way about 12 o'clock position. Ohh my, subs facing out shook my sofa. Subs facing in each other was terrible thought. I couldn't hear any bass at all. I am sure there is a scientific explanation for that but I hear what I hear. I have and Outlaw Lfm-1ex sub and I have watched fore mentioned scenes with it. Even thought it has higher output I still have voids, nulls in the room. BP2002's alone, voids are filled and bass can be felt more evenly. Hope my experience helps a bit. Enjoy yours.
post #26823 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

as well as a MFW-15 subwoofer (the amp in my sub bit the dust last night)

you might want to check with mark seaton of seaton sound (he also posts in the seaton submersive subwoofer thread in the sub forum). i believe he sells a amp/driver kit for that sub that supposed to turn that sub into a bullet-proof beast

actually a quick google search found this

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post?id=3884379
post #26824 of 30951
Hello all. I just was going to comment on some tinkering I was doing today that made a dramatic positive difference. I have been noticing that since I went feom my Denon integrated receiver to my new Integra pre/pro Sunfire amp combo that I was missing something. During the change I also made my bp7000 internal subs face out rather than in. With audessey off or in Direct mode, the bass I was missing completely returned due to the outward facing subs. It seems that this has fixed the null in front of the room. BUT with audessey engaged, I just knew I was missing something in the bass department. The middle and upper end sounded much improved, but te impact of my stand alone subs was much less. I normally cross all my speakers at 60 and have had great success with this. I recently re-ran audessey last week and thought something may have gotten a tad screwy and was about to resort to doing it again when I tried the audessey dynamic eq setting. When I turned on the dynamic eq, the bass returned in droves! I also noticed the highs really opened up more as well. Maybe its just me, but the bipolar effect and depth have also seemed to be more dramatic. Everything just opened up more and bass was way more impactful and powerful. My Seatons were pressurizing the room so nicely my ears were feeling like I was underwater. :-):-)I always had this turned off with the denon and did not need it. Maybe the Integra just implements audessey a bit different. both use xt32. I just wanted to pass this along for any having any concerns with their system to try toggling the audessey dynamic eq. You may love it or hate it, but it seems to have improved things. I did a lot of reading on different sites on this setting and I cant find any negatives to having it engaged.
post #26825 of 30951
I hear you Yosh. It's amazing how much control a good pre/pro or receiver can have over the soundstage in the room. It can't make bad speakers sound good but it can bring good speakers to a whole new level. it's only taken 30 years but I'm extremely happy sitting between 2 big pieces of wood. (plus the other 9 that are used during movies.)
post #26826 of 30951
Yosh, can you, or anyone else, explain to me exactly what is Dynamic Eq? I just recently got a Denon avr-3312, which has this option of using Dynamic Eq, but I am not sure what it's purpose is, or, what kind of impact it will have on my sound quality? I am still tweaking me avr-3312 at the moment, but, so far, I do not like Audessey. I did the 6 position measurements just like what is recommended, but, I didn't have a tri pod for the mic so I just sat one of my old speakers on my couch in the listening position and placed the mic on top of it. I assumed that would work because it was ear level, but from what I have read, I need to pick up a tri pod to use in order to get more acc urate measurements. After running Audseyy the sound from the center channel sounds very muffled and it makes it hard to hear the dialog in the movies. On the other hand, my BP-30's sound wonderfull.


Last question, what do you guys think my BP-30's and c/l/r-2000 should be crossed over at? Small or Large? Audessey set my BP-30's to large and crossed them over at 40hz, it set my c/l/r-2000 to small and crossed it over at 80hz. I am, unfortunately only running 3.0 at the moment due to some financial difficulties from not being able to work very much, I had to sell my pair of BP1.2x's. My sub, (MFW-15) went tits up on me yesterday which further complicated my bad luck frown.gif
post #26827 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

Yosh, can you, or anyone else, explain to me exactly what is Dynamic Eq? I just recently got a Denon avr-3312, which has this option of using Dynamic Eq, but I am not sure what it's purpose is, or, what kind of impact it will have on my sound quality? I am still tweaking me avr-3312 at the moment, but, so far, I do not like Audessey. I did the 6 position measurements just like what is recommended, but, I didn't have a tri pod for the mic so I just sat one of my old speakers on my couch in the listening position and placed the mic on top of it. I assumed that would work because it was ear level, but from what I have read, I need to pick up a tri pod to use in order to get more acc urate measurements. After running Audseyy the sound from the center channel sounds very muffled and it makes it hard to hear the dialog in the movies. On the other hand, my BP-30's sound wonderfull.
Last question, what do you guys think my BP-30's and c/l/r-2000 should be crossed over at? Small or Large? Audessey set my BP-30's to large and crossed them over at 40hz, it set my c/l/r-2000 to small and crossed it over at 80hz. I am, unfortunately only running 3.0 at the moment due to some financial difficulties from not being able to work very much, I had to sell my pair of BP1.2x's. My sub, (MFW-15) went tits up on me yesterday which further complicated my bad luck frown.gif

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/dynamic-eq

Here is a link to summarize the benefits of dynamic eq. My very simple small minded synopsis is that it attempts to compensate for dynamics lost for not listening at reference level. The cool trick is that it constantly adjusts based upon volume levels to better mimic frequency response at any volume so you dont lose impact. On my Integra, there are 3 suggested settings for music and 1 suggestion for movies.

As far as audessey callibration is concerned, I find it is just 1 step of many. A tripod is a good investment as this should help. After running xt 32, I then run pink noise and use my radioshack sound meter to dial in everything to 75db at my main listening position. I use a c weighting with a slow response on the meter. Every single time I have run audessey, it seems to set channel levels a little low. I use the meter to fix this. As far as the center, I normally run it a bit hot and now with the bp7000s, I run it a bit hotter as the drivers in my 8080hd are smaller than the 70000s. I usually set the center to 78 or 79 db vs 75 for the rest of the speakers. Dialogue combined with being the most important theater speaker necessitates running the center a bit hot IMHO. I especially find the newer lossless audio codecs like TrueHD make the center channel sound a bit weaker and running it hot always fixes this. I have 2 subs and also have them a bit hot at 77-78 db each and get a combined 4-6 db jump together so the lfe is around 82 db.

As far as crossovers, you generally should not decrease the crossover after audessey, but you can increase them. It set my bp7000s to cross at 40, but since I have nice stand alone subs, I bumped up the crossover to 60. As a matter of fact, I also cross my 8080 center and bpvxs at 60. Audessey suggested a lower crossover for the center channel,but liked 60 for the bpvxs.

It also sounds like you have a very nice sub, so I would suggest crossing your bp30s at 60 or 80 when you have it back up and running. Crossing your center at 80 sounds like a good place to start.

The above is truly not gospel and may not be technically appropriate, but its just the way I like to callibrate everything. And above all else, ears are the final judge. As a test, I toggle audessey off after every callibration and I have always preferred it on - though it is obviously far from perfect, it always seems to help my room situation. It is amazing how little things can make such a big difference. I hope this helps and MOST IMPORTANTLY - I wish you the best.
Edited by yosh7 - 6/8/12 at 10:06am
post #26828 of 30951
I just bought a pair of SM55s for surrounds and I have them on Sanus stands. But I don't like the fact that they're not secured to the stand. I'd rather not drive a screw into the speaker unless I absolutely have to. What am I missing? I thought there would be a mounting hole in the bottom of the speaker.

Thanks for the help.
post #26829 of 30951
^^^
Instead of screws have you considered museum wax?
post #26830 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

^^^
Instead of screws have you considered museum wax?

Thanks for the tip. Never heard of that before.
post #26831 of 30951
OMG, I NOW BELIEVE IN "BREAK IN"! eek.gifeek.gif Ok, some brief background. I just got a new set of BP7000's and moved my old set to surround back. At the same time I replaced my Denon 4311 with an Integra 80.3 and Sunfire 7 channel amp (TGA 7401). So my L/R and components are basically new. Right after I set everything up, I had some knee surgery that prevented me from going down to the basement to play until last week. With my Denon, I really didn't push the volume beyond 60-65 max as I just felt this was pushing too much. With my new configuration, the Sunfire/BP 7000 combo has just been begging to be pushed. I have been listening between 60-70 on most material as this seems to be the sweet spot. Yesterday I watched District 9 and Star Wars The Emprire Strike Back - they sounded real good. Well today I was down in the basement doing Therapy for my knee and listening to various material and then IT HAPPENED. I noticed when I was listening to Radiohead (House of Cards off of In Rainbows) that the sound just started to completely envelope me. Vocals were surrounding me to my direct left and right and bass was tight up center. The more I listened, the more I realized the soundstage was getting deeper and deeper. I was being bi-polarized. biggrin.gif Rogue Wave, Trent Reznor, White Stripes - everything had a tremendously bigger sound stage - almost like it happend over night. As I mentioned in a post above, turning on Audessey Dynamic EQ made a dramatic difference. But now it is clear that things are starting to break in. It's hard to say if it's the speakers, amp, or pre/amp or most likely a combination but what I am hearing was never achieved with the Denon setup. This might because I really was afraid to listen at these higher levels consistently and my towers really never had a chance to shine. All I can say is WOW - I really can't believe what these speakers can do. Again, the soundstage now seems to extend from a few feet behind the speakers to well out into my listening space - out to the sides of my ears and well above on the left and right. I notice that when I stand, it even improves more. I attribute this to the fact that I have a piece of built in cabinetry that extends the width of the wall just behind the bp7000's. It is only about 30" tall but I think it reduces the bi-polar effect a bit. My drivers on the rear of the speakers clear the cabinetry and there is easily 24"-30" to the back wall from there - but the lower part of the speaker is only about 5" from the cabinetry. I may play with this a bit as time goes on but right now I don't see the need to do so. Moral of the story - break in is real. I can't wait to listen to more material.
post #26832 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

OMG, I NOW BELIEVE IN "BREAK IN"! eek.gifeek.gif Ok, some brief background. I just got a new set of BP7000's and moved my old set to surround back. At the same time I replaced my Denon 4311 with an Integra 80.3 and Sunfire 7 channel amp (TGA 7401). So my L/R and components are basically new. Right after I set everything up, I had some knee surgery that prevented me from going down to the basement to play until last week. With my Denon, I really didn't push the volume beyond 60-65 max as I just felt this was pushing too much. With my new configuration, the Sunfire/BP 7000 combo has just been begging to be pushed. I have been listening between 60-70 on most material as this seems to be the sweet spot. Yesterday I watched District 9 and Star Wars The Emprire Strike Back - they sounded real good. Well today I was down in the basement doing Therapy for my knee and listening to various material and then IT HAPPENED. I noticed when I was listening to Radiohead (House of Cards off of In Rainbows) that the sound just started to completely envelope me. Vocals were surrounding me to my direct left and right and bass was tight up center. The more I listened, the more I realized the soundstage was getting deeper and deeper. I was being bi-polarized. biggrin.gif Rogue Wave, Trent Reznor, White Stripes - everything had a tremendously bigger sound stage - almost like it happend over night. As I mentioned in a post above, turning on Audessey Dynamic EQ made a dramatic difference. But now it is clear that things are starting to break in. It's hard to say if it's the speakers, amp, or pre/amp or most likely a combination but what I am hearing was never achieved with the Denon setup. This might because I really was afraid to listen at these higher levels consistently and my towers really never had a chance to shine. All I can say is WOW - I really can't believe what these speakers can do. Again, the soundstage now seems to extend from a few feet behind the speakers to well out into my listening space - out to the sides of my ears and well above on the left and right. I notice that when I stand, it even improves more. I attribute this to the fact that I have a piece of built in cabinetry that extends the width of the wall just behind the bp7000's. It is only about 30" tall but I think it reduces the bi-polar effect a bit. My drivers on the rear of the speakers clear the cabinetry and there is easily 24"-30" to the back wall from there - but the lower part of the speaker is only about 5" from the cabinetry. I may play with this a bit as time goes on but right now I don't see the need to do so. Moral of the story - break in is real. I can't wait to listen to more material.

That's one hell of a system you have put together. there is the random low note in house of cards, that must shake your house. Many manufacturers state that a break in is needed, who am I to disagree? Rock on Yosh
post #26833 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

OMG, I NOW BELIEVE IN "BREAK IN"! eek.gifeek.gif Ok, some brief background. I just got a new set of BP7000's and moved my old set to surround back. At the same time I replaced my Denon 4311 with an Integra 80.3 and Sunfire 7 channel amp (TGA 7401). So my L/R and components are basically new. Right after I set everything up, I had some knee surgery that prevented me from going down to the basement to play until last week. With my Denon, I really didn't push the volume beyond 60-65 max as I just felt this was pushing too much. With my new configuration, the Sunfire/BP 7000 combo has just been begging to be pushed. I have been listening between 60-70 on most material as this seems to be the sweet spot. Yesterday I watched District 9 and Star Wars The Emprire Strike Back - they sounded real good. Well today I was down in the basement doing Therapy for my knee and listening to various material and then IT HAPPENED. I noticed when I was listening to Radiohead (House of Cards off of In Rainbows) that the sound just started to completely envelope me. Vocals were surrounding me to my direct left and right and bass was tight up center. The more I listened, the more I realized the soundstage was getting deeper and deeper. I was being bi-polarized. biggrin.gif Rogue Wave, Trent Reznor, White Stripes - everything had a tremendously bigger sound stage - almost like it happend over night. As I mentioned in a post above, turning on Audessey Dynamic EQ made a dramatic difference. But now it is clear that things are starting to break in. It's hard to say if it's the speakers, amp, or pre/amp or most likely a combination but what I am hearing was never achieved with the Denon setup. This might because I really was afraid to listen at these higher levels consistently and my towers really never had a chance to shine. All I can say is WOW - I really can't believe what these speakers can do. Again, the soundstage now seems to extend from a few feet behind the speakers to well out into my listening space - out to the sides of my ears and well above on the left and right. I notice that when I stand, it even improves more. I attribute this to the fact that I have a piece of built in cabinetry that extends the width of the wall just behind the bp7000's. It is only about 30" tall but I think it reduces the bi-polar effect a bit. My drivers on the rear of the speakers clear the cabinetry and there is easily 24"-30" to the back wall from there - but the lower part of the speaker is only about 5" from the cabinetry. I may play with this a bit as time goes on but right now I don't see the need to do so. Moral of the story - break in is real. I can't wait to listen to more material.

Nice set up:D That should help your therapy!
post #26834 of 30951
NOTE: I meant to post this to the Definitive Tech owners forum...ended up posting to "Speakers" forum...sorry. This is where it belongs.

I have a pair of Def Tech BPVX speakers in a 5.1 system that I would like to mount on the wall to the side and a little behind the couch where most of our listening is done. Right now they are sitting on end tables on either side of the couch, so they are positioned just about ear level and directly to the side.

The room is pretty small and not ideal for speaker placement--the mains (BP-30's) are kind off off-center because they have to be and the center channel (CLR-2000) is on the "floor" about 5-6 feet below the TV--but there's not much I can do about that. Point being I'm probably not ever going to get the ideal placement for this setup, but it still sounds pretty awesome to my ears and once I get the BPVX's situated I might try to see what I can do via the Audessey setup that came with the AVR.

The walls where the BPVX's will go will be a little bit (1-2 feet) BEHIND the couch. I can hang them at just about any height. I'll try and attach a pic or two. If anyone has any bright ideas about how to best position this speaker set in the odd-shaped location, feel free to chime in.

TIA for any pointers.


640


640


450
post #26835 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

That's one hell of a system you have put together. there is the random low note in house of cards, that must shake your house. Many manufacturers state that a break in is needed, who am I to disagree? Rock on Yosh

Quote:
Originally Posted by badgerpilot View Post

Nice set up:D That should help your therapy!

Thanks guys! Yeah, I used to think break-in was just a manufacturer excuse but now I am a believer. I can't wait to play some more. Girl With the Dragon Tattoo coming up this weekend. Maybe another Star Wars movie as well. Just went out and watched MIB 3 with the family today. The knee is killing - probably should not have done that - but it was a very, very good movie. Theater had wimpy speakers though.tongue.gif
post #26836 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Porschefan View Post

NOTE: I meant to post this to the Definitive Tech owners forum...ended up posting to "Speakers" forum...sorry. This is where it belongs.
I have a pair of Def Tech BPVX speakers in a 5.1 system that I would like to mount on the wall to the side and a little behind the couch where most of our listening is done. Right now they are sitting on end tables on either side of the couch, so they are positioned just about ear level and directly to the side.
The room is pretty small and not ideal for speaker placement--the mains (BP-30's) are kind off off-center because they have to be and the center channel (CLR-2000) is on the "floor" about 5-6 feet below the TV--but there's not much I can do about that. Point being I'm probably not ever going to get the ideal placement for this setup, but it still sounds pretty awesome to my ears and once I get the BPVX's situated I might try to see what I can do via the Audessey setup that came with the AVR.
The walls where the BPVX's will go will be a little bit (1-2 feet) BEHIND the couch. I can hang them at just about any height. I'll try and attach a pic or two. If anyone has any bright ideas about how to best position this speaker set in the odd-shaped location, feel free to chime in.
TIA for any pointers.
640
640
450

From the pics you have posted and your requirements, I would personally vote for just under the pictures behind the couch with the bottom of the BPVX's being at ear level or maybe a foot or so higher. (I personally like surrounds near or just above ear level - I believe my tweeters on my bpvx's are about 24" above ear level) Ideally, I would try to get them on the side walls or on stands on the side, but this may not work in your situation. Also, would it be possible to put the bp30's on the floor in front of the fireplace hearth and perhaps move the one on the right a bit out from the side wall? Or perhaps keep the right one on the hearth but moved out from the side wall about 2 feet and put the left one on a stand on the floor to match the height of the right? I know rooms constraints can be tough - and your speakers are good ones so they most likely sound very good now. Best of luck.
post #26837 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

From the pics you have posted and your requirements, I would personally vote for just under the pictures behind the couch with the bottom of the BPVX's being at ear level or maybe a foot or so higher. (I personally like surrounds near or just above ear level - I believe my tweeters on my bpvx's are about 24" above ear level) Ideally, I would try to get them on the side walls or on stands on the side, but this may not work in your situation. Also, would it be possible to put the bp30's on the floor in front of the fireplace hearth and perhaps move the one on the right a bit out from the side wall? Or perhaps keep the right one on the hearth but moved out from the side wall about 2 feet and put the left one on a stand on the floor to match the height of the right? I know rooms constraints can be tough - and your speakers are good ones so they most likely sound very good now. Best of luck.

I would agree with this. The BPVX's would be fine on that back wall at ear height under the pictures or else stands. If you wall mount, I would not use drywall screws. Use regular wood screws into a stud would be best. I would also try to get those BP30's on the floor with some separation and then maybe a stand for the CLR2000. That is an incredible set of speakers just begging for placement!
post #26838 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

Thanks guys! Yeah, I used to think break-in was just a manufacturer excuse but now I am a believer. I can't wait to play some more. Girl With the Dragon Tattoo coming up this weekend. Maybe another Star Wars movie as well. Just went out and watched MIB 3 with the family today. The knee is killing - probably should not have done that - but it was a very, very good movie. Theater had wimpy speakers though.tongue.gif

I rarely go to the theater anymore. Like you said, wimpy speakers and half the time the picture is out of focus. Much prefer our home set-up along with the cheaper popcorn!
post #26839 of 30951
Thanks for input.

My plan for the BPVX's is to put them on the SIDE wall, very close to the back wall. I could probably just as easily put them on the BACK wall, under the pictures, or move the pix up and hang the speakers about 2 feet above ear level.

So I guess the question is are you recommending the BACK wall or the SIDE wall? There's room for either, although the left surround would be kind of crammed into the corner as the space between the side window and rear wall is just big enough to hang the speaker, so maybe the back wall is the better place?

As for the front, I used to have the left BP30 on the floor. Actually I had them both on the floor, but they just clutter up the space so I moved them up on the hearth "shelf". If I could fabricate some kind of stand to get the left main up to the hearth level I could move the right away from the wall and get the pair centered better. I can't think of anything to do with the CLR except maybe a big cantilevered shelf. Every time I look at I want to get the crowbar out....but that's not gonna fly ;-).

Another question, does Def Tech make a special bolt/screw hanger for the BPVX's, or should I just get heavy screw and hang them on that? The speakers have a keyhole-type metal mounting plate on them.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Edited by Porschefan - 6/9/12 at 3:49pm
post #26840 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive View Post

Hello Galvatron,
I chatted with Adam in tech support, and got a better handle on your situation. You may have a bottom end cap that has become a bit warped. If that is the case, you have a five-year warranty, and returning the speakers to NewEgg for replacement is one option. Another is to simply put some rubber pads underneath the speaker. If either the end cap or your computer desk isn't perfectly flat, those little plastic covers that keep the end cap screws from scratching your desk can create the "rocking" scenario. The good news - replacing those with rubber pads alleviates the situation. If you don't have rubber pads, we can send you some. Just let us know - info@definitivetech.com. Thanks for buying DT and I am glad the speakers sound awesome! Best, Joe

Thanks, Joe, I will email you very soon.
post #26841 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Porschefan View Post

Thanks for input.
My plan for the BPVX's is to put them on the SIDE wall, very close to the back wall. I could probably just as easily put them on the BACK wall, under the pictures, or move the pix up and hang the speakers about 2 feet above ear level.
So I guess the question is are you recommending the BACK wall or the SIDE wall? There's room for either, although the left surround would be kind of crammed into the corner as the space between the side window and rear wall is just big enough to hang the speaker, so maybe the back wall is the better place?
As for the front, I used to have the left BP30 on the floor. Actually I had them both on the floor, but they just clutter up the space so I moved them up on the hearth "shelf". If I could fabricate some kind of stand to get the left main up to the hearth level I could move the right away from the wall and get the pair centered better. I can't think of anything to do with the CLR except maybe a big cantilevered shelf. Every time I look at I want to get the crowbar out....but that's not gonna fly ;-).
Another question, does Def Tech make a special bolt/screw hanger for the BPVX's, or should I just get heavy screw and hang them on that? The speakers have a keyhole-type metal mounting plate on them.
Thanks for the suggestions!

Hmmmm, after looking at your room again, I too am a little worried about putting the bpvx on the side wall with so little room next to the side window. The back wall just may be a little too close. The only way to know for sure is to hang it there knowing it is a trial and error thing. Not sure if you would be ok with wall repair if you didn't like it. The bi-polar speakers are pretty flexible, but I don't think putting it next to the rear wall like that is ideal. Any others have experience with this type of placement? Otherwise, I think it might be a much safer bet to put them on the back wall. Maybe move the end tables you have them on to the back and sides to experiment on placement to hear what sounds best? Use some encyclopedias or something stable to temporarily lift them a bit higher to better judge final placement? For hanging, just get a heavy screw to hang them on (make sure you hit a stud). I just use a nice wood screw, but if you are going straight into drywall with no stud, I would be sure to get a heavy duty drywall anchor as those surrounds are pretty heavy as you know - be careful in this scenario. I also use some very small table leg pads as spacers on the bottom corners of the surrounds so they are level up against the wall. Again, best of luck - your ears are the final judge...
Edited by yosh7 - 6/10/12 at 5:42am
post #26842 of 30951
I just received my 8060-ST's and I am having trouble tightening up their bass response, especially on the lower end. It just gets really muddy. I've messed around with placement a bit, but nothing really seemed to help. Any ideas?

Receiver: Yamaha RX-671.
post #26843 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev1000000 View Post

I just received my 8060-ST's and I am having trouble tightening up their bass response, especially on the lower end. It just gets really muddy. I've messed around with placement a bit, but nothing really seemed to help. Any ideas?

Receiver: Yamaha RX-671.

you probably have a peak (or null) in response caused by the acoustics of the room. most likely "muddy" is a peak

you might need room treatments (bass traps) or some type of EQ like Audyssey etc.

with the old bp speakers you could flip them around and sometimes that would help a lot but with this new 8000 series you're really stuck facing them one way
post #26844 of 30951
Hello Yosh,
Thanks for posting your comments about how great things began sounding after some break-in. I love seeing someone get all fired up about how great their system sounds! Best, Joe
post #26845 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by otk View Post

you probably have a peak (or null) in response caused by the acoustics of the room. most likely "muddy" is a peak
you might need room treatments (bass traps) or some type of EQ like Audyssey etc.
with the old bp speakers you could flip them around and sometimes that would help a lot but with this new 8000 series you're really stuck facing them one way

Hello Kev, a few questions...
1. As OTK suggests, have you tried using EQ to solve the muddiness problem? Those speakers have really good sounding bass, so I believe this is a room interaction issue.
2. You mention that you experimented a bit with placement, and that's the best starting point. If you have a room acoustics issue creating muddy bass, moving your chair / couch a little bit can help just as much as moving the speakers. I have heard rooms in which the "swing" from areas that have the most bass (boominess) to areas where the bass is cancelling itself (nulls) can be as much as 30 dB! Using EQ will be even more effective if you can first get the speakers and seated listening position lined up in a way that things sound better. You won't need as much EQ to get it really right.
3. You have some control over the bass with the subwoofer level control on the 8060 amp plate. One cool thing about that is that you can set each speaker's bass level independently. It may be that one speaker is creating some boom because of where it's located. We usually recommend starting with the sub level controls straight up (at "12 noon" on a clock face). But if you can't solve the problem with placement experiments, you may want to try turning both sub level controls all the way down, then adjusting them back up in increments - one speaker, then the next.
Let us know how it turns out! jfinn@definitivetech.com is my e mail, if you have further questions. Best, Joe
Edited by Joe@Definitive - 6/13/12 at 7:53am
post #26846 of 30951
Dumb question here,

I have the SM 350's and I am wondering if I should place them with the bass resonators facing out or in.

I don't notice a sound difference between the two, so I am wondering which way they are "supposed" to be.
post #26847 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConBroMitch View Post

Dumb question here,
I have the SM 350's and I am wondering if I should place them with the bass resonators facing out or in.
I don't notice a sound difference between the two, so I am wondering which way they are "supposed" to be.

The preferred way is facing in at each other but out if fine too. Whatever sounds better to you is the right way.
post #26848 of 30951
Quote:
Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

The preferred way is facing in at each other but out if fine too. Whatever sounds better to you is the right way.
Good answer, G. In some rooms it makes more of a difference in the sound than in other rooms, so if one sounds better, that's the right way. If they sound very similar, which they do in lots of rooms, then no worries - play them the way they look better. Best regards, Joe
post #26849 of 30951
How close to any corners or walls are they?
post #26850 of 30951
How low do the SM-350's amd SM-450's go? Not talking about company specs, but real would performance.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Speakers
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Speakers › Definitive Owners Thread