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post #26911 of 29304
7/2/12 at 6:11am
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Thank you very much for your info.
I would prefer AW5500 because AW6500 are too huge for me? Has someone personal experience with AW5500? Thanks.
Hello AV, it's tough to answer the question of "is the better one worth the extra cash" because of either size considerations, as you mentioned, or price considerations. I can only add that we sell loads of AW 5500, and my guess is that you will be very happy with them. Our biggest difficulty with them this year is keeping them in stock (even though we forecasted a sales increase). Good luck - Best, Joe
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post #26912 of 29304
7/2/12 at 6:24am
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Does anyone have there 7002 or bigger behind an audio acoustic screen? I'm contemplating the idea in my basement, but it seems I would need at least 3 feet from the back wall to the front of the speaker to do this. That is about the distance I have them in my living room, but I have a pull down screen in there so it's not as obvious. Any recommendations would be great. I may just keep them upstairs and just hide the screen and rack in the living room, as the it is a bigger area and has higher ceilings than the basement.[/quote
Hello Sum, if your question is how far from the wall you'll need to put them to still sound good, 2-3 feet should be fine. If I am misunderstanding your question you can pm me or contact me a Definitive, either way - jfinn@definitivetech.com. Thanks for owning DT - best, Joe
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post #26913 of 29304
7/2/12 at 6:41am
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Thank you very much for your info.
I would prefer AW5500 because AW6500 are too huge for me? Has someone personal experience with AW5500? Thanks.

I can't imagine you'd be disappointed with the 5500's. I'm sure they sound very close to the 6500's. I went big because I had the space and found a good deal. I never heard them until I installed them outside. I know their reputation so I just went for it
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post #26914 of 29304
7/3/12 at 8:33am
Hello all, just a little heads-up: Our new SuperCube 8000 is shipping now (11" woofer, twin 12" bass radiators). At $1499 retail, it's exciting. It has remote and LED readout so that you can make adjustments from the easy chair and see what you are doing, and it's deep bass performance is really impressive. It sounds incredible. Best, Joe
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post #26915 of 29304
7/3/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive View Post

Hello all, just a little heads-up: Our new SuperCube 8000 is shipping now (11" woofer, twin 12" bass radiators). At $1499 retail, it's exciting. It has remote and LED readout so that you can make adjustments from the easy chair and see what you are doing, and it's deep bass performance is really impressive. It sounds incredible. Best, Joe
thanks Joe. looks cool. i like the pic on the website. would you happen to have a higher res version of this one ?

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and when is the new Trinity coming out with dual 18" active drivers coupled to quad 18" passive radiators tuned to 16hz

you can call it the Trinity XL (Purgatory edition) smile.gif
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post #26916 of 29304
7/4/12 at 7:51am
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Anybody have experiencies with outdoor DefTech AW5500 and AW6500? Are they good? Is there big difference in sound between AW5500 and AW6500?
Thank you very much for your help.
I have the same question too. I have a bunch of those Bose "rock" speakers in my back yard and they suck(came with the house, I sure wouldn't pay what I saw those things cost!). On my list to replace them...

Same as others in that I have not heard the 5500s. I have two pairs of the 6500s, one under the patio mounted on the ceiling in semi corner areas. The other pair in large circular planters on the far side of the pool. While in the pool it's like quadrophonic sound.... :-). Overal I am quite pleased with them, great sound and have held up well to the elements. Just the other night my teenage son had a few friends over and had me playing "their" music and the bass was quite good, even filling a large patio/yard etc. Wife and I later went out and I had an instrumental/semi jazz station playing and was really impressed with the clarity of the mids and highs.

I'm sure the 5500s are great as well yet if you do have a larger space or do want as much bass as possible out of a small box, I would tend to recommend the larger 6500s. However, if you can incorporate a sub on the patio (I've been thinking of firing one down through the ceiling etc) then smaller drivers would work perfect.

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post #26917 of 29304
7/5/12 at 9:51am
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thanks Joe. looks cool. i like the pic on the website. would you happen to have a higher res version of this one ?
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and when is the new Trinity coming out with dual 18" active drivers coupled to quad 18" passive radiators tuned to 16hz
you can call it the Trinity XL (Purgatory edition) smile.gif
Hello OTK, I am not sure that a high res version of this photo exists. At least I haven't been able to find it yet. Do you have a specific use for it, i.e., should I keep looking?
I love the XL Purgatory edition idea! We don't have a new Trinity on the board at the moment, but we're not done in the subwoofer category just yet, either. Thanks for owning Definitive - best, Joe
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post #26918 of 29304
7/5/12 at 10:30am
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Hello OTK, I am not sure that a high res version of this photo exists. At least I haven't been able to find it yet. Do you have a specific use for it, i.e., should I keep looking?

na it's no big deal. just thought you might have one handy. i was going to print them out and wallpaper my kitchen with them
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post #26919 of 29304
7/5/12 at 2:13pm
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Hello OTK, I am not sure that a high res version of this photo exists. At least I haven't been able to find it yet. Do you have a specific use for it, i.e., should I keep looking?
na it's no big deal. just thought you might have one handy. i was going to print them out and wallpaper my kitchen with them
Dang OTK, you crack me up. I found one and it's a big file. Let me know your e mail in a pm and I can get it to you. Best, Joe
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post #26920 of 29304
7/5/12 at 9:00pm
WOW - put the "UNDERWORLD: AWAKENING" Blu-Ray on your Netflix list! It is a 7.1 mix that will absolutely give your system a massive work-out. All surround channels work hard (totally immersive) the entire movie and the LFE is totally over the top. My ears hurt! Maybe I need to do some callibration, but I just think this movie was un-ordinarily loud and had completely over the top sound. I just watched Saving Private Ryan to make me feel thankful for what we have on this Holiday and there is no doubt that the new Underworld soundtrack is way harder hitting. I thought my basement was going to cave in:eek:eek.gif. But of course, my Definitives didn't break a sweat!
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post #26921 of 29304
7/5/12 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive View Post

Hello OTK, I am not sure that a high res version of this photo exists. At least I haven't been able to find it yet. Do you have a specific use for it, i.e., should I keep looking?
I love the XL Purgatory edition idea! We don't have a new Trinity on the board at the moment, but we're not done in the subwoofer category just yet, either. Thanks for owning Definitive - best, Joe

"We're not done in the subwoofer category......" ---- MAYBE a new Reference replacement is on the way?? Interesting.....rolleyes.gif
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post #26922 of 29304
7/6/12 at 8:38am
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"We're not done in the subwoofer category......" ---- MAYBE a new Reference replacement is on the way?? Interesting.....rolleyes.gif
Hello Yosh, to be clear, there is nothing coming real soon, but the multiple benefits of the SC 8000 make it a great value, so someday...
BTW thank you for the Underworld suggestion. We'll be picking that one up fast. Best, Joe
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post #26923 of 29304
7/7/12 at 8:05am
I recently picked up a Supercube 3 and added it to my collection by pairing it with my side surround (sc3 and bpvx, "Super BPVX", that's one combo on each side). Does anyone have any recommendations for the settings on the sub, ie low pass crossover, and phase alignment? I have the speaker wire from the av unit going to the subs high level inputs, and then from the subs to the bpvx. I also plan to do the same with my center channel CLR2000 and a Prosub 600 I've got laying around.
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post #26924 of 29304
7/7/12 at 8:17am
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I recently picked up a Supercube 3 and added it to my collection by pairing it with my side surround (sc3 and bpvx, "Super BPVX", that's one combo on each side). Does anyone have any recommendations for the settings on the sub, ie low pass crossover, and phase alignment? I have the speaker wire from the av unit going to the subs high level inputs, and then from the subs to the bpvx. I also plan to do the same with my center channel CLR2000 and a Prosub 600 I've got laying around.

Btw, that would put me at BP30 mains, clr2000/Prosub600 center, BPVX/SupercubeIII side surrounds, Pro Tower 400 rears, SVS 16-46 PC Plus LFE.
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post #26925 of 29304
7/7/12 at 9:36am
I currently power my BP7000 mains, CLR 3000 center, and BPVX surround with an Emotiva XPA-5 at 200wpc. I'm thinking of getting the new XPR-5 (400 wpc).

Is this too much power for the speakers like the CLR 3000 and the BPVX?

What benefits / drawbacks are there to having the extra power?
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post #26926 of 29304
7/7/12 at 9:55am
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I currently power my BP7000 mains, CLR 3000 center, and BPVX surround with an Emotiva XPA-5 at 200wpc. I'm thinking of getting the new XPR-5 (400 wpc).
Is this too much power for the speakers like the CLR 3000 and the BPVX?
What benefits / drawbacks are there to having the extra power?

When I had BP7000 mains, CLR3000 center, BPVX/P and BP2000 surrounds, I went from a receiver with 140 watts per channel to stereo amps with 350 watts per channel and the difference was SIGNIFICANT -- much greater depth and detail of sound and then went to 500 watt monos for mains and center and again, there was improvement and i do not have golden ears, but the difference was really obvious! The BP7000's LOVE power. At a dealer show years ago, I got to hear 1000 watts pumped into each of a pair if 7000's -- WOW!

With that said, the greatest improvement (even greater then adding much more potent amps) was the addition of a pair of Reference Supercubes which really came as a surprise.

MikeSp
Edited by MikeSp - 7/7/12 at 10:06am
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post #26927 of 29304
7/7/12 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by pwz1983 View Post

I currently power my BP7000 mains, CLR 3000 center, and BPVX surround with an Emotiva XPA-5 at 200wpc. I'm thinking of getting the new XPR-5 (400 wpc).
Is this too much power for the speakers like the CLR 3000 and the BPVX?
What benefits / drawbacks are there to having the extra power?

BP7000 rated up to 1000 watts; CLR 3000 and BPVX rated up to 400 watts. Not only will you be fine, but the extra power should be beneficial. I currently have a similar setup (4 bp7000s, 8080HD center, pair of bpvx's and power them all with a 400 watt/channel x 7 sunfire)
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post #26928 of 29304
7/7/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by pwz1983 View Post

I currently power my BP7000 mains, CLR 3000 center, and BPVX surround with an Emotiva XPA-5 at 200wpc. I'm thinking of getting the new XPR-5 (400 wpc).
Is this too much power for the speakers like the CLR 3000 and the BPVX?
What benefits / drawbacks are there to having the extra power?

You realize the only thing the amp is powering is the tweeters & midrange drivers?

And how much power do tweeters &midrange need? Not more than 100watts!

It is the bass that needs all that power.

But in the case of the BP7000SC, the internal amp powers the bass 100%!

So, no, you do not need any more power.
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post #26929 of 29304
7/7/12 at 10:35am
I used to own BP7000SC & BP7001SC. There was no difference whatsoever going from a 50wpc Harman Kardon AVR to 200wpc x 7 amp!

Just realize the voltage gain on most amps are 32dB, while the gain on many AVR like Denon is much lower unless you manually increase the gain by increasing the speaker channel levels!

For example, I have a Denon AVR-5308CI (150wpc) and ATI AT6012 (60wpc).

When I hook up my KEF 201/2 to the ATI amp, the SPL reads 75dB @ 0.0 speaker channel level.

When I hook up the same KEF speakers to just the Denon, the SPL reads 72dB @ 0.0 speaker channel level. Why? The ATI is only 60wpc! It is because the ATI amp has a 24dB voltage gain, and the gain on the Denon @ 0.0 channel level is much less than that!

But if I just increase the Denon speaker channel level to +3.0, it is now the same gain as the ATI amp! It is now 75dB on the SPL again!

Again, the tweeters & midrange don't need all that power.

And you need to match the gain levels on the processor (speaker channel level) if you want to compare the amps ! Some amps have a 24dB gain, some have a 32dB gain.
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post #26930 of 29304
7/7/12 at 2:12pm
Have a pair of Reference Supercubes for sale that are six years old -- am original owner and they would be rated 8/10 only due to age on A-gon -- $1200 for the pair with all boxes and manuals but for local pickup only -- will not consider shipping. Location is south of Kansas City just off of US 71 highway -- PM if interested.

MikeSp
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post #26931 of 29304
7/8/12 at 7:53am
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I recently picked up a Supercube 3 and added it to my collection by pairing it with my side surround (sc3 and bpvx, "Super BPVX", that's one combo on each side). Does anyone have any recommendations for the settings on the sub, ie low pass crossover, and phase alignment? I have the speaker wire from the av unit going to the subs high level inputs, and then from the subs to the bpvx. I also plan to do the same with my center channel CLR2000 and a Prosub 600 I've got laying around.

Btw, that would put me at BP30 mains, clr2000/Prosub600 center, BPVX/SupercubeIII side surrounds, Pro Tower 400 rears, SVS 16-46 PC Plus LFE.

Also contemplating swapping out the Pro Tower 400's for a pair of CLR2000's with a Supercube I. Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?
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post #26932 of 29304
7/8/12 at 8:14am
I am contemplating switching out my BP2x surrounds for a pair of BP-10b's, or possibly a pair of c/l/r-2000's. I wonder which would be better between those two choices and how would they sound compared to the BP2x's?
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post #26933 of 29304
7/8/12 at 11:30am
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I used to own BP7000SC & BP7001SC. There was no difference whatsoever going from a 50wpc Harman Kardon AVR to 200wpc x 7 amp!
Just realize the voltage gain on most amps are 32dB, while the gain on many AVR like Denon is much lower unless you manually increase the gain by increasing the speaker channel levels!
For example, I have a Denon AVR-5308CI (150wpc) and ATI AT6012 (60wpc).
When I hook up my KEF 201/2 to the ATI amp, the SPL reads 75dB @ 0.0 speaker channel level.
When I hook up the same KEF speakers to just the Denon, the SPL reads 72dB @ 0.0 speaker channel level. Why? The ATI is only 60wpc! It is because the ATI amp has a 24dB voltage gain, and the gain on the Denon @ 0.0 channel level is much less than that!
But if I just increase the Denon speaker channel level to +3.0, it is now the same gain as the ATI amp! It is now 75dB on the SPL again!
Again, the tweeters & midrange don't need all that power.
And you need to match the gain levels on the processor (speaker channel level) if you want to compare the amps ! Some amps have a 24dB gain, some have a 32dB gain.

I don't want a more powerful amp to increase gain, I want it to increase quality. From what I understand, if I increase power, the mids and tweeters should perform better because of the reserve power they can tap in to. Therefore, the quality will be better at lower volumes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #26934 of 29304
7/8/12 at 12:19pm
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I don't want a more powerful amp to increase gain, I want it to increase quality. From what I understand, if I increase power, the mids and tweeters should perform better because of the reserve power they can tap in to. Therefore, the quality will be better at lower volumes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Perhaps you are referring to "headroom." Having more headroom in an amplifier is usually an advantage when the amp is challenged, i.e., when driving woofers.

There are plenty of low power, high quality (VERY EXPENSIVE) amps out there that will produce a higher quality sound from the tweets and mids.

With that said, I did not imagine (with my non-golden ears) that the sound quality, total image produced, etc. was substantially improved when I went from a 140 wpc receiver to 350 watt stereo amps -- the different was startling just like it was even more startling when I heard a pair of BP7000's driven by 1000 watt monos -- all at about 90 dB (not a matter of loudness but sound quality) -- having spent years with Def Tech towers starting with the old BP20's looooong ago, I found that they sounded better the more power that they were fed (not louder, better). IMHO, i.e.

MikeSp
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post #26935 of 29304
7/8/12 at 12:49pm
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I don't want a more powerful amp to increase gain, I want it to increase quality. From what I understand, if I increase power, the mids and tweeters should perform better because of the reserve power they can tap in to. Therefore, the quality will be better at lower volumes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't believe in that. But that's okay. biggrin.gif

More power doesn't mean more "headroom", which means an immediate transient doubling of power for a second of time. It's a hypothesis that this "headroom" gives the extra "punch" in sound. Headroom is not for quiet sound. A doubling of power requirement means some serious loud sound! But even then, it's not proven. I fact, at least one double-blinded study has proven that people couldn't tell the difference between a cheap $300 Pioneer AVR from a $10,000 Boulder amp!

But if you insist on "quality" instead of just "quantity", I would get something like ATI amps, which are made in the USA, not China, and comes with a 7 yr warranty. ATI makes some amps for Mark Levinson, Lexicon, JBL, Cary Audio, etc. ATI also owns Theta Digital and B&K.

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers.html
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post #26936 of 29304
7/8/12 at 10:11pm
I wasn't sure where to post this (there was two threads a pro cinema thread, and this thread I just nocied), but here goes :

I have the Denon 1911 with the pro cinema 600 series.

I recently picked up some BP7006 tower speakers, but after the setup, I feel like the smaller 600 series were a bit cleaner on movies?

I guess quality wise my question is, besides obvious loud sound....with regards to movies, how do the 7006 stack up to the 600 series.
I realize the towers are larger, but I'm more interested in people's opinions in the sound Quality. I can always calibrate a 3rd time, as I've done it twice, but I wanted feedback.

For the record, the pro cinema series 600 comes with a nice sub, so I turned the subwoofers dial to 0 on each tower, and am essentially using the towers as for mids/highs (no bass), and using my sub 600 for bass instead.

I have my Denon AVR set to smalls as well. so as to use my sub.

Question 1.) Basically, I'm wondering if I got lower end Def Tech speakers than what I was used to, but more power?

I found the Bp7006 tower speakers for $299 each ($600 for both) and figured I had found a great deal as Def tech has those same speakers for $650 each. I was looking a tower that had no bass as I was going to continue using my sub.

Question 2.) Anyone in this predicament, or ran across this? Should I have my PC600 Bass and my 7006's bass going simultaneously?
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post #26937 of 29304
7/9/12 at 6:32am
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Btw, that would put me at BP30 mains, clr2000/Prosub600 center, BPVX/SupercubeIII side surrounds, Pro Tower 400 rears, SVS 16-46 PC Plus LFE.
Hello Felton, the goal is to get a seamless blend between the subwoofer and sides, so that you aren't aware of some notes coming from the sub, and others projecting from the sides. If you can, try ajusting the phase control first with the crossover set at 80 Hz. If possible, do this while you are sitting in the money seat, with a heavy, steady bass line playing, while a friend dials in different phase levels. Once it starts sounding good, try moving up to 100 Hz and see if the blend is more seamless, or less. If things improve, go back and check the phase again. Soon enough you'll be good to go - best, Joe
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post #26938 of 29304
7/9/12 at 6:38am
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I wasn't sure where to post this (there was two threads a pro cinema thread, and this thread I just nocied), but here goes :
I have the Denon 1911 with the pro cinema 600 series.
I recently picked up some BP7006 tower speakers, but after the setup, I feel like the smaller 600 series were a bit cleaner on movies?
I guess quality wise my question is, besides obvious loud sound....with regards to movies, how do the 7006 stack up to the 600 series.
I realize the towers are larger, but I'm more interested in people's opinions in the sound Quality. I can always calibrate a 3rd time, as I've done it twice, but I wanted feedback.
For the record, the pro cinema series 600 comes with a nice sub, so I turned the subwoofers dial to 0 on each tower, and am essentially using the towers as for mids/highs (no bass), and using my sub 600 for bass instead.
I have my Denon AVR set to smalls as well. so as to use my sub.
Question 1.) Basically, I'm wondering if I got lower end Def Tech speakers than what I was used to, but more power?
I found the Bp7006 tower speakers for $299 each ($600 for both) and figured I had found a great deal as Def tech has those same speakers for $650 each. I was looking a tower that had no bass as I was going to continue using my sub.
Question 2.) Anyone in this predicament, or ran across this? Should I have my PC600 Bass and my 7006's bass going simultaneously?
Hello Ty, I woud try running the BP 7006 with the subs dialed to the mid-point rather than to zero. You can always play with the controls and try bringing their level down some, to blend best with the sub, but one of the benefits of having towers is the improved bass capability. My guess is that you will find a better, more even spread of bass throughout the room by having three sources of bass rather than just one. Let us know how it turns out. Best, Joe
Edited by Joe@Definitive - 7/10/12 at 6:42am
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post #26939 of 29304
7/9/12 at 4:05pm
Thanks, I'll try that out running all three with bass.

Should I get a Y cable or does the added bass for the towers kick in for movies as well?
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post #26940 of 29304
7/9/12 at 4:19pm
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Thanks, I'll try that out running all three with bass.
Should I get a Y cable or does the added bass for the towers kick in for movies as well?

I would try hooking up the new speakers as if you had no subwoofer at all. Then calibrate and set speaker size/crossover points as you normally would (I would personally use 'small' for all speakers). What I am guessing is happening is that your new speakers have a cross over that assumes the sub is there and active. Your existing setup may be using a crossover to the sub that is lower than the crossovers built in to the speakers, leaving you with a 'gap' where neither the speakers or the sub is covering a range of frequencies.
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