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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

glad you had luck with those settings....and yes if your used to chest pounding a big sub will do that...wink.gif...also how do you have your towers connected?...speaker wire only?....and what position on your towers do you have the knob set too?

Thanks again! I have them hooked up with speaker wires and an RCA cable for LFE. I have the knobs roughly around 9 o'clock but I think it might be a little too high..
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ok...reason why I ask is since you have a external sub try just running your towers with just speaker wire and no RCA....then use 1 RCA from your external sub into reciever....when I first got my towers I wasn't thrilled with them much but the more I tinkered with them and the settings I found I really love them and would never part with them....also in your MCACC settings do you have the option under subwoffer set to on or plus?
post #26973 of 30960
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Originally Posted by haroon08 View Post

ok so setting the crossover to 50hz definitely kills a lot of the bass. However setting the speakers to small and flattening them out does help. I set the towers to 0db and the sub to -3db. It sounds cleaner, however it is still a little muddy with the gain up all the way on the sub. If i lower it, I don't get enough chest thumping mid bass. I think its just that I am a bass junkie and need either a sealed or bigger sub. Does anyone have the HSU VTF-15H with their 8060's? any other recommendations for subs under 1K?



The prosub-1000 is kind of an under achiever. I have always thought that the prosubs were pretty god awfull in terms of output, sound quality, and extension. I would seriously look into getting an HSU or SVS. The HSU VTF-15h that you mentioned, would be a totally different animal, compared to the prosub that you currently own.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

You mean "cutting off all the bass....from 50Hz up" to the subwoofer, right? To the mains, it's cutting from 50Hz down. But is the Pioneer applying that if you don't have a subwoofer? My Pioneer recognizes that I don't have a subwoofer, all my speakers are set to "large", but it still makes me apply the crossover and the lowest possible setting is 50Hz. Is it in effect, cutting off 50Hz and below from my main speakers or does it ignore the setting? If the former, any way around that without going "Direct"?
And I think there's something wrong with your description anyway. Because how does it know what is bass on the main channels? It has to apply a filter to those channels, which is in effect, a crossover.

If your speakers are set to "Large" bass management is disabled no matter what crossover frequency is selected. The crossover setting is only active if the speakers are set to "Small" .

A filter and a crossover are not the same thing.

In a scenario where there's no subwoofer, speakers would be set to "Large" and subwoofer as "NO" in the setup menu. This would send full range bass and LFE to your mains. However, if your surrounds are smaller than your mains, you can set them to "Small" and any bass below the selected crossover would be directed to your mains.
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

ok...reason why I ask is since you have a external sub try just running your towers with just speaker wire and no RCA....then use 1 RCA from your external sub into reciever....when I first got my towers I wasn't thrilled with them much but the more I tinkered with them and the settings I found I really love them and would never part with them....also in your MCACC settings do you have the option under subwoffer set to on or plus?

Yes i ran them with just the speaker wires only and it did sound cleaner, however it still lacks the punch I am looking for. I have the subwoofer set to plus (otherwise the external sub wont work). I feel that it is the prosub 1000 as others have mentioned here that is just not up to par with the towers.
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Originally Posted by Joe@Definitive View Post


Hello Yosh, I like it... with spinning hubcap too, so that when you play around with speaker placement, you have a truly pimped-out ride...

Seriously, we haven't considered this for several reasons. First, some folks aren't as handy as others, and we would likely wind up with some happy customers... and a few really unhappy ones...If you don't get the drivers seated right, and there is an air leak, deep bass response is impossible. You can make a $2,000 pair of speakers sound like a $300 pair pretty fast.

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Best regards, Joe

Joe-
I just had to do some refurb of a BP-2004TL. I had to remove the Sub to get to tthe crossover and ultimately determined there was a bad tweeter. I replaced the tweeter, but just read the statement above and am now concerned. What does one need to know to seat the drivers right? The tweeter has a felt ot foam gasket to interface to the cabinet. Do I just need to screw it in tight? What about the Sub, I didn't notice any backing material, any special instructions for re-mounting the sub?
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hey Joe, the BP-8020ST has no rear tweeter ?
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I'm thinking of this setup for 7.x speakers

3x StudioMonitor 65 bookshelf (front LCR)
4x DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY SR-8080BP (side/rears)

My question is, would this setup be impressive (with subs of course) for blu-ray movies? And are they exactly or almost a timbre match across the speakers.

Anyone heard the monitor 65's? smile.gif
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Ok, "Final?" configuration. I was able to pick up two Supercube III's for about $215 each. As I already had one sitting around, I used all three to achieve full range on all channels by adding them to the center and side speakers. That puts my setup at L & R BP30's, center CLR2000/Supercbe III, side surrounds BPVX/Supercube III, rear surrounds Pro Tower 400's, LFE SVS 16-46. Kinda scary watching action flicks. I did the calibration, then had to turn the gain on all of the subs down to about 9:00.
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

Ok, "Final?" configuration. I was able to pick up two Supercube III's for about $215 each. As I already had one sitting around, I used all three to achieve full range on all channels by adding them to the center and side speakers. That puts my setup at L & R BP30's, center CLR2000/Supercbe III, side surrounds BPVX/Supercube III, rear surrounds Pro Tower 400's, LFE SVS 16-46. Kinda scary watching action flicks. I did the calibration, then had to turn the gain on all of the subs down to about 9:00.
Wow... I hope you have a huge theater room. I have ONE Subercube 2000 and it fills and shakes the heck out of my 15x40 foot area.
post #26981 of 30960
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Originally Posted by Felton007 View Post

Ok, "Final?" configuration. I was able to pick up two Supercube III's for about $215 each. As I already had one sitting around, I used all three to achieve full range on all channels by adding them to the center and side speakers. That puts my setup at L & R BP30's, center CLR2000/Supercbe III, side surrounds BPVX/Supercube III, rear surrounds Pro Tower 400's, LFE SVS 16-46. Kinda scary watching action flicks. I did the calibration, then had to turn the gain on all of the subs down to about 9:00.

awesome set-up Felton

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Originally Posted by otk View Post

awesome set-up Felton
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Ha ha damn Q.
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Bought 3 CLR 2002's and a pair of SM 350's for our modest 5.1 system in our open family room. Decent prices on these older models right now, however the stock is quickly drying up. Paid under 1K for all 5 speakers.smile.gif
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What stands in the 30-36" range are any of you using for surround duty on the SM 350's?
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

As would I ....and thses vids are just for fun...nothing serious...smile.gif
Right Josh, absolutely. If you can't have fun with a home entertainment system, what's the point? Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by haroon08 View Post

ok so setting the crossover to 50hz definitely kills a lot of the bass. However setting the speakers to small and flattening them out does help. I set the towers to 0db and the sub to -3db. It sounds cleaner, however it is still a little muddy with the gain up all the way on the sub. If i lower it, I don't get enough chest thumping mid bass. I think its just that I am a bass junkie and need either a sealed or bigger sub. Does anyone have the HSU VTF-15H with their 8060's? any other recommendations for subs under 1K?
Hello Haroon, Definitive got a great review from Home Theater on the SC 4000, the bigger brother to the SC 2000, in a shootout with two much more expensive subs. They called it "...a spectacular bargain".
http://www.hometheater.com/content/definitive-technology-supercube-4000-subwoofer
If you are staying under a grand retail, you can move up to the SC 6000. I own a pair of them and they are really good. There's nothing wrong with the ProSub 1000, and we sell a ton of them, but we have considerably better subs too. Enjoy - best, Joe
Edited by Joe@Definitive - 7/23/12 at 7:53am
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Right...smile.gif...I have a passion for deftech...what can I say...smile.gif
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

hey Joe, the BP-8020ST has no rear tweeter ?
Hello OTK, you are correct. It's got a D'Appolito array in the front, with twin 3 1/2 drivers and a 1" aluminum tweeter, and a 3 1/2 inch in the rear for the bipolar information. When you move up to the larger 3 you get a tweeter / driver complement at the back. Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by Larry L View Post

Joe-
I just had to do some refurb of a BP-2004TL. I had to remove the Sub to get to tthe crossover and ultimately determined there was a bad tweeter. I replaced the tweeter, but just read the statement above and am now concerned. What does one need to know to seat the drivers right? The tweeter has a felt ot foam gasket to interface to the cabinet. Do I just need to screw it in tight? What about the Sub, I didn't notice any backing material, any special instructions for re-mounting the sub?
Hello Larry, if you are being conscientious about how you reinstall the drivers and tweeter, you have no need for worry. The connections don't need to be hermetically sealed. As you say, just screw it in tight, and the same thing goes for the sub. You'll know right away if there is an air leak, and it is not done right -there's almost no deep bass at all. I hope this helps. Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

awesome set-up Felton
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OTK, you have me laughing again. Where did you find this absurd little video clip? The violin player in the background looks like he's trying hard not to bust a gut. Best, Joe
post #26991 of 30960
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

I'm thinking of this setup for 7.x speakers
3x StudioMonitor 65 bookshelf (front LCR)
4x DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY SR-8080BP (side/rears)
My question is, would this setup be impressive (with subs of course) for blu-ray movies? And are they exactly or almost a timbre match across the speakers.
Anyone heard the monitor 65's? smile.gif
Hi Nick, this would be an awesome set up. The timbre matching should work out nicely. It's part of our corporate mandate to keep the timbre very similar across as much of the product line as possible. We have the SM 65 out for review now, and early indications are that it's being really well received. Personally I think they sound terrific. Let me know if you have more specific questions - best, Joe
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Hi All,

I currently have the Polk RM6750 satellite set that I purchased a little over a year ago. While generally happy with it (and I can't complain as I paid a whopping $165 for the whole set), I am constantly raising and then quickly lowering the volume when watching movies and too a lesser extent on some tv shows. After playing with my Denon 1611 and raising the center above the others it doesn't really help and I'm looking at replacing my front three. It's an "L" shaped basement with the TV and speakers in the bottom right of the "L" that measures about 18 X 12 across the bottom, with about 10 X 12 on the far right being the viewing area.

Due to size (WAF) I'm limited to keeping the fronts wall-mounted and I can probably swing the 1000s size-wise without too much trouble as the 800s are about the same size as my current sats. Am really looking to keep this in the $400 range so will likely end up with the Procenter 1000 and the Promonitor 800s unless I find a couple of steals that would let me move up to the PC2000 and PM1000s as the front.

Really like how the Def tech website lists out the compatible speakers BTW - saves me from asking some dumb questions about which speakers match

So the question is, will even the PC1000 and the PM800s be a real upgrade - or am I just changing out one set of smallish speakers for another ? As much as I'd love to go with the PC2000 and PM1000s I'm afraid that's going to be a bit more than I'd like to spend right now. If there's anything else (older models) that are comparable size-wise and performance wise that you guys can recommend it will be greatly appreciated as I'm not against buying used speakers.

This is used 90% for movies/tv, 9% gaming (an 8 yo playing Wii), and once in a great while for music if that helps but I don't really crank up the volume much.

Thanks,

Chris
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Originally Posted by logan115 View Post

Hi All,
I currently have the Polk RM6750 satellite set that I purchased a little over a year ago. While generally happy with it (and I can't complain as I paid a whopping $165 for the whole set), I am constantly raising and then quickly lowering the volume when watching movies and too a lesser extent on some tv shows. After playing with my Denon 1611 and raising the center above the others it doesn't really help and I'm looking at replacing my front three. It's an "L" shaped basement with the TV and speakers in the bottom right of the "L" that measures about 18 X 12 across the bottom, with about 10 X 12 on the far right being the viewing area.
Due to size (WAF) I'm limited to keeping the fronts wall-mounted and I can probably swing the 1000s size-wise without too much trouble as the 800s are about the same size as my current sats. Am really looking to keep this in the $400 range so will likely end up with the Procenter 1000 and the Promonitor 800s unless I find a couple of steals that would let me move up to the PC2000 and PM1000s as the front.
Really like how the Def tech website lists out the compatible speakers BTW - saves me from asking some dumb questions about which speakers match
So the question is, will even the PC1000 and the PM800s be a real upgrade - or am I just changing out one set of smallish speakers for another ? As much as I'd love to go with the PC2000 and PM1000s I'm afraid that's going to be a bit more than I'd like to spend right now. If there's anything else (older models) that are comparable size-wise and performance wise that you guys can recommend it will be greatly appreciated as I'm not against buying used speakers.
This is used 90% for movies/tv, 9% gaming (an 8 yo playing Wii), and once in a great while for music if that helps but I don't really crank up the volume much.
Thanks,
Chris
I say keep your eyes on eBay, you should be able to get a pair for ProMonitor 1000's and a ProCenter 2000 for around $400. I started with the ProMonitor 800's and the ProCenter 1000 for my fronts and center in my office setup and upgraded to the ProMonitor 1000's and ProCenter 2000 and it made a very noticeable difference. Def worth the upgrade. The larger drivers in them just made everything sound fuller I guess is the best word I can use to describe it. Also I recently swapped both my Amp from Pioneer to Denon and overall everything sounds much better as well. Denons sound is much warmer and just more pleasing with Def Techs IMO.
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Hey guys.. just curious, how "loud" do you guys normally watch your movies? I have an 2.1 system with 8060st's and a Pioneer VX-52 and my average volume for when I want it pretty loud with punch is about -11db. I know this will probably depend on room size, mine is about 5000 cubic feet if I include my kitchen which is open to my room.
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Originally Posted by haroon08 View Post

Hey guys.. just curious, how "loud" do you guys normally watch your movies? I have an 2.1 system with 8060st's and a Pioneer VX-52 and my average volume for when I want it pretty loud with punch is about -11db. I know this will probably depend on room size, mine is about 5000 cubic feet if I include my kitchen which is open to my room.
Uh, theres a lot of lot of different variables that can make this different for everyone. But, my listening area is about 5400 cubic feet, I have a 7.1 setup all Definitive Technology with three Mythos XTR-50's, four DI8Rs, and one SuperCube 2000 all powered by a Denon AVR-3312CI receiver and I watch movies at about 60% volume level. I have my volume set to display relative, so in like 1-100 not in dBs. That being said, I have a limit set to about 70% because at that volume and above it is dangerously loud.
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My room is roughly 30x15 but open to some small areas. I'm runnung 7.1 with 4 subs. My mains are being driven by two 2 channel amps, 350 wpc total. The other five by a 200wpc amp. I usually don't go above -20 or so. I watched Underworld Awakening yesterday (3d blu ray) and as someone else mentioned, the lfe is crazy loud. I watched that one at -28 as to not knock my house off it's foundation.
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Sorry if somebody already answered this, but has anyone compared the CS-8060HD to the SM65 as a center channel? I was thinking the larger driver in the SM might be useful on voices, and if the speaker is crossed over to a sub at 80 hz or so, the built in bass unit is less of a selling point. Also, the SM65, if stood upright, is an accurate MTM di'apolito array which should work well for off axis listeners.

So, any takers yet?
Edited by Snowmanick - 7/25/12 at 12:31pm
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Hey guys....

I don't post much, but I have a BP7002's (LR) CLR2500 (center) and SVS Bookshelf's for the rears. + An SVS SB13 Plus for additional coverage. I was walking through best buy yesterday and ended up picking up a BP8040ST for 100 bucks open box. The top driver was damaged ( he wanted 200, I offered 100 and they said ok )

I pulled the driver out and the support brackets are broken. I ordered a replacement driver off ebay for 19.99 with free shipping, but decided I'd try the speaker out anyways. I'm really amazed, but the bass from the little speaker seems to almost be better than the bass from the 7002. The 7002 can go louder, but it seems "boomier" than the 8040's. I'm really surprised honestly. I had to double check and make sure nothing else was hooked up and confirm that the bass was just coming out of the 8040.


Anyone else experience this, or Joe, are the new series that much better? If so, I'd be looking to get the 8080st's somehow. It was in a different position, but I still can't believe the amount of bass it put out cleanly.
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wait...you mean an 8040 tower?...or 8040 center?....for a 100 bucks for a tower is a steal...lol...and I like hearing from owners of the 7000 series that hear the new series and are impressed...makes me feel good knowing I have my 8060 setup...smile.gif...like I said if you got a 8040 tower for 100 bucks I am going to goto bestbuy later today just for shitz and giggles...smile.gif
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