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post #27121 of 30951
Doing 8080s all the way around for 7.1 what should I do for front highs? The bookshelf for another pair of 8080SR

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post #27122 of 30951
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Originally Posted by Shift View Post

Matt - I own ProMonitor 1000s and they are an amazing value for the money. I think PM1000s, 800s and 600s are excellent for surrounds or for smaller rooms (even for fronts / the 1000s / 800s).
I still own 1000s for my rears and just for chuckles I wanted to see how they would do for fronts compared to my ST7006 towers and I was amazed how they performed as mids & highs. These little speakers put out!! I highly encourage owning / using a sub sub with these size speakers.
Enjoy


I'm going to give the SM 55 a serious audition when I'm able to. I think a pair of those with a CS-8040HD center and Pro 800 for surrounds in my small living room would work out great. I currently have a TC Sounds LMS-18 Ultra as a sub so the bass is well covered although I may replace it with two SVS SB-13 ultras (when they become available) due to it's size.
post #27123 of 30951
I have finished the addition of the UIW BPZ/A and SM-55. Pics.

Back. SL/SR = JBL L7 4-way 450 watts RMS. SBL/SBR = DefTech UIW BPZ/A 2-way 300 watts RMS. Unused = EoSone RSR 350 2-way 200 watts RMS.

I had a pair of DefTech BP10b but went back to the L7's. Wish DefTech made something like the BP30 again.


Front. L/R = DefTech BP7000 SC 2-way 1000 watts RMS + powered sub. Center = DefTech CLR 3000 3-way 400 watts RMS with powered sub. FHL/FHR = DefTech SM55 2-way 225 watts RMS.

I got the SM-55 speaker mounts on eBay from a seller named Fourpair. I ended up mounting them on their side and drilling two small holes in the bottom to screw-mount them to the bracket. I decided I'd rather do that than have them fall.


Components = Denon AVR 5308ci(a) with DSP upgrade. Emotiva XPR-5. Denon 2500BTci. Dish ViP 722 DVR.


FL/FR, Center, and SL/SR are powered by the Emotiva. The rest are powered by the Denon
Edited by jevans64 - 9/4/12 at 11:18am
post #27124 of 30951
I am putting together a 5.1 system and hope to expand to a 7.2 at some point. My receiver is the Onkyo NR818, but I'm not
sure in what direction I should go regarding my speaker set up. My first thought was to go with the def tech 8060 fronts, matching
8060 center channel and rear 8040's, but i have also thought about the studio 65's and the 8080 center channel. If there is
another way I should go any advice would be appreciated.
post #27125 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

I have finished the addition of the UIW BPZ/A and SM-55. Pics.
Back. SL/SR = JBL L7 4-way 450 watts RMS. SBL/SBR = DefTech UIW BPZ/A 2-way 300 watts RMS. Unused = EoSone RSR 350 2-way 200 watts RMS.
I had a pair of DefTech BP10b but went back to the L7's. Wish DefTech made something like the BP30 again.

Front. L/R = DefTech BP7000 SC 2-way 1000 watts RMS + powered sub. Center = DefTech CLR 3000 3-way 400 watts RMS with powered sub. FHL/FHR = DefTech SM55 2-way 225 watts RMS.
I got the SM-55 speaker mounts on eBay from a seller named Fourpair. I ended up mounting them on their side and drilling two small holes in the bottom to screw-mount them to the bracket. I decided I'd rather do that than have them fall.

Components = Denon AVR 5308ci(a) with DSP upgrade. Emotiva XPR-5. Denon 2500BTci. Dish ViP 722 DVR.

FL/FR, Center, and SL/SR are powered by the Emotiva. The rest are powered by the Denon

Very, very sweet setup! I couldn't help but notice in the pic with the bp7000's what looked like a home made game table joystick thingy? Is that a special game controller? How do you like having a 9 channel setup? I have 7.2 now and love having the surround back channels but was wondering your thoughts on the heights? I really like how you mounted the SM on their sides. What do the front heights add in your opinion? Again, very killer setup!
post #27126 of 30951
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

Very, very sweet setup! I couldn't help but notice in the pic with the bp7000's what looked like a home made game table joystick thingy? Is that a special game controller? How do you like having a 9 channel setup? I have 7.2 now and love having the surround back channels but was wondering your thoughts on the heights? I really like how you mounted the SM on their sides. What do the front heights add in your opinion? Again, very killer setup!

That controller in the picture is a custom build for MAME ( Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator ) for the PC. It uses a 40 input controller for the buttons and analog joysticks. The two main joysticks are 49-way digital along with the trackball and spinner. The flight stick controller is specifically for Tron, Gorf, and any flight game. The panel itself is solid oak and can be removed from the adjustable stand of necessary. I use the adjustable stand and ANOTHER top part for my racing and flight simulator setup. It is basically a BIG USB device and will work with any PC/XBox 360 game that allows assignable buttons.

Here are a couple pics of the wiring involved and the finished panel. I have pictures of the entire build process, But I don't want to get too far off topic.




The height speakers just make the sound field up front broader. The impact isn't as great as big tower wide speakers would make but there IS something added with the height speakers. I have Master and Commander ( which supposedly uses the heights when things are going on above deck ), but I haven't played it yet.

I really didn't try different placements for the SM-55, but I wanted them to be above the doorway. I pointed the tweeters ( and the bass radiator ) towards the center but I don't think this would matter for this kind of speaker.

The biggest surprise I had was when I added the UIW BPZ/A in the back. I used to use those EoSone that are mounted in back / pointed down for the back surrounds.
Edited by jevans64 - 9/4/12 at 10:46pm
post #27127 of 30951
Don't laugh at that. I had to abandon my old and more distinguished account on this site after I lost the log on and the email attached was deleted long ago. A sad day indeed. Now I look all newbish...
post #27128 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

That controller in the picture is a custom build for MAME ( Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator ) for the PC. It uses a 40 input controller for the buttons and analog joysticks. The two main joysticks are 49-way digital along with the trackball and spinner. The flight stick controller is specifically for Tron, Gorf, and any flight game. The panel itself is solid oak and can be removed from the adjustable stand of necessary. I use the adjustable stand and ANOTHER top part for my racing and flight simulator setup. It is basically a BIG USB device and will work with any PC/XBox 360 game that allows assignable buttons.
Here are a couple pics of the wiring involved and the finished panel. I have pictures of the entire build process, But I don't want to get too far off topic.


The height speakers just make the sound field up front broader. The impact isn't as great as big tower wide speakers would make but there IS something added with the height speakers. I have Master and Commander ( which supposedly uses the heights when things are going on above deck ), but I haven't played it yet.
I really didn't try different placements for the SM-55, but I wanted them to be above the doorway. I pointed the tweeters ( and the bass radiator ) towards the center but I don't think this would matter for this kind of speaker.
The biggest surprise I had was when I added the UIW BPZ/A in the back. I used to use those EoSone that are mounted in back / pointed down for the back surrounds.

Whoa, Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. Just very impressive. Thanks for sharing info about your creation. I agree, the right surround back speakers can really make a big impact..
post #27129 of 30951
Realizing that this is the Definitive thread, I will just point at that I'm debating a few Definitive speakers vs Kef or even mix and match and looking for advise.

I have a legacy 2 channel system with Vandersteen series 2 speakers that I can surely use for great audio but wondering if they could be incorporated into my surround set up so as to put more cash into the center, sub and surrounds.

I've got a Denon 3313 en route.

Thinking Def Supercube 4000 , CD 8040 HD and a few Studio Monitors (or 4 if people tell me the Vandersteen idea is really bad). I can go up a bit in budget but I will say my room is only 10x12 ish (NYC apartment) and I'm much more of a music guy than a surround sound (tend to watch foreign and Indie flicks moreso)

Any direction in terms of what I would gain by going up or what I might save...greatly appreciated.

For the Kefs, it was Q or R series 100 or 200
post #27130 of 30951
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Originally Posted by ovrdrvn View Post

Thinking Def Supercube 4000 , CD 8040 HD and a few Studio Monitors (or 4 if people tell me the Vandersteen idea is really bad). I can go up a bit in budget but I will say my room is only 10x12 ish (NYC apartment) and I'm much more of a music guy than a surround sound (tend to watch foreign and Indie flicks moreso)
Any direction in terms of what I would gain by going up or what I might save...greatly appreciated.
For the Kefs, it was Q or R series 100 or 200

That probably wouldn't be a bad match for your existing towers. You could probably even step up a notch to the Supercube 6000 and 8060 Center or the SC 4000 and 8060 center. Only difference is the 8060 adds a powered sub. Surrounds can be either Studio Monitor 45's or the bi-polar SR 8080. The bi-polars as surrounds are going to give you a wider soundfield than directs in back.

My take is that you already have the Vandersteens. No harm in trying those up front before committing to a whole new front array. You can always get the matching DefTech towers up front later on and put the Vandersteens in back.
post #27131 of 30951
If anyone is interested check out deftech's new website...I love it...smile.gif
I really like the D. Above definitive technology....very slick stream lined website....great job!...smile.gif

http://www.definitivetech.com/
Edited by josh6113 - 9/6/12 at 3:27pm
post #27132 of 30951
Are the ProMonitor 1000s being refreshed? I've checked 4 online sites and Best Buy, and only Amazon has them in stock. Newegg says that they are discontinued.
post #27133 of 30951
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

If anyone is interested check out deftech's new website...I love it...smile.gif
I really like the D. Above definitive technology....very slick stream lined website....great job!...smile.gif
http://www.definitivetech.com/

Great new website Definitive! The new logo is very modern and appropriate. D. Simply stating "D" just exudes definitive confidence. Plus - it reminds me of one of my favorite movie characters of all time - Bram Stoker's Dracula. Very nice. Dark and powerful - very definitive:)
post #27134 of 30951
I need some help with adding “wides” to my current system. I have a complete 8080 system: front, center, surrounds, with a second pair of 8080’s for surround back. I was thinking of moving the surround backs to the wide position and putting 8060 or 8040 in the back. My room is only 13 feet wide so if I put the 8080 in the 45 degree position I will not have enough room to move them 16 inches from the back wall as well as the back of the speakers will not be parallel to rear wall. These issues seem critical to me because I am thinking I will lose the bipolar effect if I have the back of the speakers to close and not parallel to the wall. I had thought of some kind of a bookshelf and speaker stand arrangement, but I feel I won’t get the same amount of air movement and there will be no bi-polar effect. Any thoughts, suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
post #27135 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jstenuf View Post

I need some help with adding “wides” to my current system. I have a complete 8080 system: front, center, surrounds, with a second pair of 8080’s for surround back. I was thinking of moving the surround backs to the wide position and putting 8060 or 8040 in the back. My room is only 13 feet wide so if I put the 8080 in the 45 degree position I will not have enough room to move them 16 inches from the back wall as well as the back of the speakers will not be parallel to rear wall. These issues seem critical to me because I am thinking I will lose the bipolar effect if I have the back of the speakers to close and not parallel to the wall. I had thought of some kind of a bookshelf and speaker stand arrangement, but I feel I won’t get the same amount of air movement and there will be no bi-polar effect. Any thoughts, suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.

I didn't think it mattered that much whether they were parallel to each other or toed in. Definitive actually recommends them to be toed in for a "brighter" sound. I liked mine parallel so left them that way. Best thing to do is try the 2nd pair in the wide position toed in and see how they sound.
post #27136 of 30951
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

If anyone is interested check out deftech's new website...I love it...smile.gif
I really like the D. Above definitive technology....very slick stream lined website....great job!...smile.gif
http://www.definitivetech.com/

It looks much nicer, but now it is hard to find the pages for some of their older speakers. I had to use search to find the product page for the Mythos 1 & 9.
post #27137 of 30951
See the funny thing is that these owners don't have pics but I do. I have them on a board of things that I want.. smile.gif
post #27138 of 30951
That Multi Arcade Controller built from oak is really cool! Great work!
post #27139 of 30951
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Originally Posted by sx2500831 View Post

That Multi Arcade Controller built from oak is really cool! Great work!

If you google for MAME, you will see some really awsome builds. One guy found an old Arcade console and tore the guts out and replaced it with a PC. Pretty sweet. Not to take anything away from the build in this thread, very nice as well.
post #27140 of 30951
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Originally Posted by spec1alk View Post

If you google for MAME, you will see some really awsome builds. One guy found an old Arcade console and tore the guts out and replaced it with a PC. Pretty sweet. Not to take anything away from the build in this thread, very nice as well.

I had a friend that built his own cabinet around a 27" LCD panel. Places like North Coast Custom Arcades offer up some really nice designs that cost in excess of $3000. X Gaming offers up an inexpensive controller with track ball, buttons, and 8-way analog sticks for $200. I looked at all of these options before deciding that I wanted something portable and functional without all the flashy graphics and lighted buttons. My trackball is lighted though. I started with a design large enough to where I could add additional controls and built an adjustable stand around that. I can place the panel on a tabletop or use the stand. I even designed the panel so that I could drop it into an arcade cabinet. The panel and stand cost about $900 to build.
post #27141 of 30951
I just wanted to let you guys know that I have my BP-30's & C/L/R-2000 for sale. The BP-30's have all new drivers that were all purchased straight from Definitive and installed by a Definitive dealer, so they are basically brand new. If anyone is interested, please feel free to PM me.
post #27142 of 30951
Hi Guys,

I just ordered a DefTech 8060 system (BP-8060 fronts, CS-8060 center, & SR-8040 surounds) for my new HT. The speakers should arrive mid-week and, as everything else is already here waiting, I'm quite excited to receive the new hardware.

My question is: can anyone recommend an appropriate pair of speaker stands for the 8040 surrounds? Pretty much everything I've found online appears optimized for speakers with mounting plates on the bottom. The 8040s, of course, have a back mounting arrangement. Any suggestions?

The rest of the system, at least thus far, consists of: Sony KDL-60EX700, Denon AVR-3312CI, Oppo BDP-93, and an Apple TV (2nd gen.).

Thanks for all!

Regards,
Ken
post #27143 of 30951
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Originally Posted by kbalch1 View Post

Hi Guys,
I just ordered a DefTech 8060 system (BP-8060 fronts, CS-8060 center, & SR-8040 surounds) for my new HT. The speakers should arrive mid-week and, as everything else is already here waiting, I'm quite excited to receive the new hardware.
My question is: can anyone recommend an appropriate pair of speaker stands for the 8040 surrounds? Pretty much everything I've found online appears optimized for speakers with mounting plates on the bottom. The 8040s, of course, have a back mounting arrangement. Any suggestions?
The rest of the system, at least thus far, consists of: Sony KDL-60EX700, Denon AVR-3312CI, Oppo BDP-93, and an Apple TV (2nd gen.).
Thanks for all!
Regards,
Ken

Very nice setup! What about the studio monitor stands? http://definitivetech.com/products/studiomonitor-stands

Or....when you add the cost of speakers plus stands....maybe go for a pair of 8020st For surrounds?
post #27144 of 30951
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Originally Posted by kbalch1 View Post

Hi Guys,
I just ordered a DefTech 8060 system (BP-8060 fronts, CS-8060 center, & SR-8040 surounds) for my new HT. The speakers should arrive mid-week and, as everything else is already here waiting, I'm quite excited to receive the new hardware.
My question is: can anyone recommend an appropriate pair of speaker stands for the 8040 surrounds? Pretty much everything I've found online appears optimized for speakers with mounting plates on the bottom. The 8040s, of course, have a back mounting arrangement. Any suggestions?
The rest of the system, at least thus far, consists of: Sony KDL-60EX700, Denon AVR-3312CI, Oppo BDP-93, and an Apple TV (2nd gen.).
Thanks for all!
Regards,
Ken

Sounds like an awesome system, let us know how it sounds! I think i already know, but still. It's going to sound awesome. Where's the sub?

Monoprice has speaker stands, but most of the rear mounting stands aren't the nicest looking. I suggest a standard bookshelf design that you can incorporate into the decor. The sat speakers can just sit on top of these with double sided tape.
post #27145 of 30951
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

Very nice setup! What about the studio monitor stands? http://definitivetech.com/products/studiomonitor-stands
Or....when you add the cost of speakers plus stands....maybe go for a pair of 8020st For surrounds?

Thanks! I can't wait to hear how it sounds in my space.

I thought about those stands, but couldn't find any mention of their compatibility with the 8040 surrounds. I suppose I could just set the speakers on top of the stands, but I was hoping for a more secure mounting arrangement.

I considered another pair of towers for the surrounds, but don't have a simple means of running power to them.

Ken
post #27146 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jpcamaro70 View Post

Sounds like an awesome system, let us know how it sounds! I think i already know, but still. It's going to sound awesome. Where's the sub?
Monoprice has speaker stands, but most of the rear mounting stands aren't the nicest looking. I suggest a standard bookshelf design that you can incorporate into the decor. The sat speakers can just sit on top of these with double sided tape.

Thanks!

I thought I'd begin without a dedicated sub (though it's definitely on the list for this fall sometime). I'm planning to wire the fronts & center with speaker wire alone (ignoring the LFE connection), designate all three as 'Large', and allow the internal crossovers to handle the integral powered subs. I'm hoping that'll work for the short term. After that, who knows? I was thinking about staying with DefTech and picking up an SC6000, but I'm wide open to suggestions.

I've looked at the Monoprice stands, but wasn't sure of the mounting arrangement. I hadn't considered just setting the speakers on top. Do you think the tape would provide enough security for an 8lb speaker?

Ken
post #27147 of 30951
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Originally Posted by kbalch1 View Post

Thanks!
I thought I'd begin without a dedicated sub (though it's definitely on the list for this fall sometime). I'm planning to wire the fronts & center with speaker wire alone (ignoring the LFE connection), designate all three as 'Large', and allow the internal crossovers to handle the integral powered subs. I'm hoping that'll work for the short term. After that, who knows? I was thinking about staying with DefTech and picking up an SC6000, but I'm wide open to suggestions.
I've looked at the Monoprice stands, but wasn't sure of the mounting arrangement. I hadn't considered just setting the speakers on top. Do you think the tape would provide enough security for an 8lb speaker?
Ken

Other than the speaker moving because of the sound, it will just sit there and not need to be mounted, just like putting a speaker on a cabinet.

I have the 8040's and they do provide good lows, so you certainly won't be dissapointed with 8060. But if you are using this for a 5.1 system, I believe the soundtracks use the sub separately and you won't get some lows.

I can't really suggest a sub, all of your stuff is a step above what i'm running, so I'm only running a sc2000.
post #27148 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jpcamaro70 View Post

But if you are using this for a 5.1 system, I believe the soundtracks use the sub separately and you won't get some lows.

So, not all the LFE information is sent to the onboard subs via internal crossover when operating without an external sub? If that's the case, I'm sure I'll be ordering a sub sooner rather than later.

It's definitely going to be a 5.1 system for the foreseeable future and is intended to be heavily optimized toward movies, rather than music.

Ken
post #27149 of 30951
If I'm not mistaken dolby and the like uses the .1 for certain sounds. Hopefully someone else can chime in on this as i'm no pro.
post #27150 of 30951
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Originally Posted by jpcamaro70 View Post

If I'm not mistaken dolby and the like uses the .1 for certain sounds. Hopefully someone else can chime in on this as i'm no pro.

Regarding the stands, I would just call definitive customer service and ask for Chet or Adam. They would be able to give you some guidance on the stands and if the sm stands would work.

Regarding your speaker setup and the .1 lfe issue....there is tons on this in this thread. My suggestion and the simplest thing to do is run normal speaker wire to your 8060s. Set your receiver to -NO- for subwoofer and set your front left and right speakers to -large-. This will send all of the lfe (.1) information to your 8060s and the speakers will automatically send this signal to the built in subs. This is a simple way of taking advantage of the built in subs without purchasing a stand alone sub.

Down the road when you get a good stand alone sub (like a trinity biggrin.gif).... then set receiver to -yes- for sub and then you would have the option of leaving speakers set to -large- OR set them to -small- and cross them at 60 or so to allow separate sub do the heavy lifting. I have a couple of separate subs and have my bp7000s set to small and crossed to 60 to allow my separate subs to handle the extra low stuff and lfe.

You will be capturing the lfe .1 info with either scenario.

Hope this helps.....
Edited by yosh7 - 9/9/12 at 11:53am
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