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I was wondering if anyone here runs a set of bp7002 along with a set of bp8 next to them for fronts. I can get a mint set of bp8 for 300. Is that a good deal.
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post #27242 of 30944
Actually talked him down to 250 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by northern_inc View Post

Actually talked him down to 250 smile.gif

If you want to use them as wides they should work well because of the identical driver sizes. The price seems ok to me.
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Originally Posted by northern_inc View Post

I was wondering if anyone here runs a set of bp7002 along with a set of bp8 next to them for fronts. I can get a mint set of bp8 for 300. Is that a good deal.
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I personally don't think that is anything to get excited over. Heck, I am selling my BP-30's for $500, and they would walk all over both the BP-7002's and especially the BP-9's.
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I personally don't think that is anything to get excited over. Heck, I am selling my BP-30's for $500, and they would walk all over both the BP-7002's and especially the BP-9's.

BP-30s for $500 is a heck of a deal. If he got a capable sub, I agree that BP-30s would sound better than 7002s because of 6.5" drivers.
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Yea, I couldn't resist. I've been patiently waiting for sometime and that was just too good of a price. Did I need them? I kept hoping you would grab them so I wouldn't! I hate;) coming on here because I am always spending more money:eek: Thanks for the heads up!
Hi Badger, I think of it this way: if I spend $100 at a nice restaurant, I get a good meal with my date.... and it's gone before my head hits the pillow. If I invest in good hi fi, it will make me smile every time I crank some music for the next 10 years or so.
Am I just rationalizing, or is that actually good logic?
Go Orioles! Now that my White Sox are out of it, I am all in with the Birds. Best, Joe
post #27247 of 30944
I have 6.5 all around 7.1 just not the fronts personally I don't think it would make much of a difference
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi Badger, I think of it this way: if I spend $100 at a nice restaurant, I get a good meal with my date.... and it's gone before my head hits the pillow. If I invest in good hi fi, it will make me smile every time I crank some music for the next 10 years or so.
Am I just rationalizing, or is that actually good logic?
Go Orioles! Now that my White Sox are out of it, I am all in with the Birds. Best, Joe

It's outstanding logic Joe! biggrin.gif
post #27249 of 30944
Hello guys

I have a pair of StudioMonitors 65 and a cs8060 center channel hooked to my Onkyo txnr818. Even that DefTech specs do rate the SM65 as a 30hz speaker I have found that there seem to be distortion when the SM65 get bass signals below the 30Hz, for example when playing blu ray movies such as The Dark Knight. I still don't have a sub yet, so I have to set the speakers to "small" to prevent the LFE go through my main channels and prevent distortion with lower frequencies. My questions is, Should I keep the StudioMonitors as small and set the crossover above 40Hz to 80Hz even with a subwoofer? I'm open to suggestions. Thanks
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BeyondHD just because DefTech rates them down that low doesn't mean they go that low in real world settings. Heck I have BP7001's there next to the top of the line towers and I have them crossed at 40Hz because anything below 30Hz and the bass gets boomy and muddy sounding. With the SM65 the lowest I would cross them is at 60Hz but you'd do best to cross them at 80Hz and use a good sub.
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BeyondHD, something to keep in mind is that crossovers in your receivers bass management aren't brick walls. For example, if you set your speakers to Small with a crossover of 40Hz, signals below 40Hz will still be sent to your speakers, just at reduced level with a negative slope. This is why many people will set the crossovers much higher than the -3Db point on their speakers, to keep the speaker in a nice comfy operating range. Once you get a sub, try setting the crossover at say, 80Hz.

But since you don't have a sub yet, unless you are having frequent issues with the distortion or are constantly bottoming the drivers, I'd leave the speakers as large. You have nothing to redirect the bass to, and the Sm65's have decent enough output to handle most programs at reasonable levels.
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Thanks for the help, Now I have a better view of how the crossover works. I'm getting a Polk 505 sub by next week so I will start testing by setting the crossover on 80Hz.
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It's outstanding logic Joe! biggrin.gif
I am glad that you think so Badger!
O's down 2-1 against the Yanks...uh oh...
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BeyondHD, something to keep in mind is that crossovers in your receivers bass management aren't brick walls. For example, if you set your speakers to Small with a crossover of 40Hz, signals below 40Hz will still be sent to your speakers, just at reduced level with a negative slope. This is why many people will set the crossovers much higher than the -3Db point on their speakers, to keep the speaker in a nice comfy operating range. Once you get a sub, try setting the crossover at say, 80Hz.
But since you don't have a sub yet, unless you are having frequent issues with the distortion or are constantly bottoming the drivers, I'd leave the speakers as large. You have nothing to redirect the bass to, and the Sm65's have decent enough output to handle most programs at reasonable levels.
Good explanation, Snow. Unless these are in a large room or being pushed very hard, they should cover full range music nicely.
Hello Beyond - A movie like The Dark Knight has some prodigious deep bass, and if you are cranking it - well, that's what subwoofers are for, right? Even large and costly towers can get taxed in the low end when driven hard. Having said all that, the SM 65 is a pretty sweet speaker! We have used them here in a 2 channel set-up with a big Pass amp, and they sound great. Let us know if you have more questions - best, Joe
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Hello everyone. I'm upgrading my PSB 5.1 surround system to an new 7.1 Definitive Technology Speaker system. My Front, Left and Center speakers will be the UIW RCS II's and the surrounds and back surrounds will be the UIW RSS II's. I should be installing them soon. I've read many good reviews on these speakers. Anyone have any experiences with these speakers? I also will be installing a J.L. Audio Fathom F112 Subwoofer.

Also, when installing the Left and Right surrounds, I get different answers from different audio salesman on positioning. Def. Tech. said to place them directly in the middle between the front and back speakers. Though other people tell me to measure the distance between the front and back speakers, divide that distance by two and then take 1/3rd the distance from that distance to the front speaker and install them there. Example: If the distance between my front left speaker and back left speaker is 12 feet. Half of that is 6 feet. Then I would divide that by two again given me 3 feet to mount my side surrounds. Many people tell me that they should be closer to the front speakers than directly in the middle of the room. Now understand, these side and rear speakers are bi-polar and not direct firing like the front and center speakers.

And also, Def. Tech. told me to line up the side speakers to send the signals across from each other. But others tell me to have the speakers facing toward the listener.

Getting totally confused here.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks for your time.

Peace to all.
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Dolby's recommendation is front speakers should be between 22 and 30 degrees to either side of the listener. 30 degrees = draw a line from listener to left speaker to right speaker and you have an equilateral triangle. At 30 degrees, if you are 9 feet away from both speakers, they should be 9 feet apart.
Left and right surrounds should be between 90 and 110 degrees to either side (dead even with or slightly behind).

Audyssey calls for 30 degrees for front left and right and 110-120 degrees for left and right surrounds.

Most would say to put bipolar/dipolar surrounds at 90, but I have mine (bpvx) at about 115 and they sound great. They started and 90, but I moved the seating forward a bit

What is 'best' can depend a lot on the room itself. Before mounting the surrounds, try putting them on stands and try different locations to find what works best for you.
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Hey Joe, do you know if the CS8080 Center is timber matched to BP-8060ST?
Thanks!
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What is the consensus on the best between the 2000, 7000, and 8000 series?

I'm between the 2006's, the 7006's, and the 8020's, someone help me spend my money!
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I just have to say Def Tech has best customer service I have ever experienced in my life. Chet is unbelievably helpful. Best choice I ever made buying fro this company
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I should also explain what they have done. My CLR 3000 woofer had to be unplugged or it would blow a fuse. I called and explained and Chet sent my the amp board and another board for $45 each. It didn't solve so he sent me another of one of the boards free. Didn't work so he sent me a woofer again no charge. Didn't work so now he's having all 3 parts sent from factory to him so he can test them. Then he's going to ship them to me. Again no charge. I haven't sent anything back to him yet he said let's just get it working first. Wow
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Dolby's recommendation is front speakers should be between 22 and 30 degrees to either side of the listener. 30 degrees = draw a line from listener to left speaker to right speaker and you have an equilateral triangle. At 30 degrees, if you are 9 feet away from both speakers, they should be 9 feet apart.
Left and right surrounds should be between 90 and 110 degrees to either side (dead even with or slightly behind).
Audyssey calls for 30 degrees for front left and right and 110-120 degrees for left and right surrounds.
Most would say to put bipolar/dipolar surrounds at 90, but I have mine (bpvx) at about 115 and they sound great. They started and 90, but I moved the seating forward a bit
What is 'best' can depend a lot on the room itself. Before mounting the surrounds, try putting them on stands and try different locations to find what works best for you.
Great answer Bartman. Experimentation is always good. If experimentation isn't possible, the rest of your rules of thumb are also good.
Good luck CigarJohn and let us know how it goes. Best, Joe
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I just have to say Def Tech has best customer service I have ever experienced in my life. Chet is unbelievably helpful. Best choice I ever made buying fro this company
Thank you for being our customer, Bob. Chet is a great guy and we are lucky to have him. I was lucky enough to ride 101 miles with Chet a week ago Saturday in the Salisbury Century bike ride along the East Coast. He's just as good a rider as he is a conscientious customer service guy! Best, Joe
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Hey Joe, do you know if the CS8080 Center is timber matched to BP-8060ST?
Thanks!
Hi Elfather, great to see you back on line. Yes, the CS 8080 HD will sound great with a pair of BP 8060 ST's. Play it loud, if you can. Best, Joe
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Hi Elfather, great to see you back on line. Yes, the CS 8080 HD will sound great with a pair of BP 8060 ST's. Play it loud, if you can. Best, Joe

Thanks Joe! i already have the center 8080 paired with the 8060's but i feel as the 8080 outshines the mains sometimes. but i love how incredibly detailed and realistic the 8080 center is. cool.gif
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I just have to say Def Tech has best customer service I have ever experienced in my life. Chet is unbelievably helpful. Best choice I ever made buying fro this company

I agree. SVS and Def Tech will have me as loyal costumer for life.
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Thanks Joe! i already have the center 8080 paired with the 8060's but i feel as the 8080 outshines the mains sometimes. but i love how incredibly detailed and realistic the 8080 center is. cool.gif
Yes, we get amazingly positive comments on that center channel. Maybe you can raise the level of the L & R just a click or two, if it seems like the center out-does them at times. Best, Joe
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Hi Folks,

Earlier I meant to send my question to Def-Owner thread but some how ended up in main Speaker thread. Sending it here again. Apologies if some of you end-up seeing it twice. Here is the original posting:

I have a new DefTech 5.2 setup (BP-8020ST Fronts towers, SR-8040BP surround and CS-8040HD center) with Denon 3313CI. I have to admit I am serious impressed with these speakers and they produce amazing sound. Though I don't have a perfect room, bi-polar nature of these speakers seem to produce lot more wide and even sound.

I have hooked up both fronts with speaker wire and LFE (SW1 and SW2 outputs from the receiver to 8020ST LFE inputs via 2 separate cables).

First did manual configuration and picked "Large" for all speakers and picked "LFE+Main" for bass and setup measured distances for speakers from main listing position.

With above setup, got great sound and bass and worked well for music. However, surrounds were low to ineffective for movies that had 5.1 sound.

Next I ran Audyssey setup that came with Denon (MultiEQ-XT). When done, all looked well except 2 things:

1. It had changed my fronts to "small"
2. subwoofer distance calculated was way off than the measured distance.

I decided to manually change speaker to "Large"

In this setup, I am getting great sound with HD/5.1 movies and surrounds can be heard/felt nicely.

But have one annoying problem with music. When I use receiver "Dolby Surround" music mode, I feel there is a overwhelming high frequency effect and extended listening starts bothering me. It is hard to explain but I can feel something strange in my sound perception and feeling. As a test I switched to "Stereo" mode and suddenly there is calming effect.

Any idea on what I need to look for and suggestions for tweaks in receiver setup? In general, are there documented ways of running "Audyssey" setup to get the best of DefTech speakers? All the information I have found on the net say that bi-polar nature of these speakers confuses Audyssey setup.

Thanks in advance
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I can't speak for the denon but I own the deftech 8060 towers and center...no surrounds yet and when I calibrated with pioneers MCACC it was OK not great....in my trials yes the bipolar effect does play a role in miss calibration...so I run mine flat with no EQ in pure direct mode....sounds fantastic now.Also regarding your complaint about the treble...for me the S's in voices and other high frequency sounds were a touch harsh....so for me I have a setting called X-curve witch tames the treble from 0.5-3.0 decibles down starting from 2 kz...I set my speakers to 2.0 decibles down via the X-curve setting and treble is perfect now in my room....I can even crank it up more now because the sound isn't harsh now....hope this helps...wink.gif
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Thanks Josh for the info. Let me dig around and see what options I have on Denon. With Audyssey EQ, don't see too many options I can tweak.
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Few questions, I'm looking into getting a PC1000, PS1000, 2 PM1000s, and 2 PM800s for the rears. My problem is, I don't have the space to have the fronts level with the center. Would mounting the fronts on the wall and directionally pointing them towards my couch be detrimental to sound quality? Also, does anyone have difficulty using banana plugs while mounting to a wall? The space seems like it could be a problem. Thanks.
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