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I used to own a CLR 2300 and Mythos 8 that I used as CC. I wasn't really impressed with the clarity of either one of them. Now I have a Boston Acoustics 325C. However, I have moved my old Def Tech 2006s in to replace my BA 260s and was thinking about getting a matching Def Tech Center. Does anybody here own the 8060 Center and what have they compaired it to? Have you compaired it to the CRL 2300?
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Hey Joe,

You have helped me before and really need your advice on the following; due to hurricane Sandy, I have been forced to change
the amount of funds available to me for speakers. Rather than going with the ST8080's or 8060's, I wanted your opinion on the
studio monitor 65's. Are they the type of speakers that can hang on a wall without a shelf to support it. What rear speakers,
center channel and subwoofer would you recommend. My room is about 15 X 12. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!
post #27333 of 30932
Hey Joe,

You have helped me before and really need your advice on the following; due to hurricane Sandy, I have been forced to change
the amount of funds available to me for speakers. Rather than going with the ST8080's or 8060's, I wanted your opinion on the
studio monitor 65's. Are they the type of speakers that can hang on a wall without a shelf to support it. What rear speakers,
center channel and subwoofer would you recommend. My room is about 15 X 12. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!
post #27334 of 30932
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Originally Posted by STEVEIB7 View Post

Hey Joe,
You have helped me before and really need your advice on the following; due to hurricane Sandy, I have been forced to change
the amount of funds available to me for speakers. Rather than going with the ST8080's or 8060's, I wanted your opinion on the
studio monitor 65's. Are they the type of speakers that can hang on a wall without a shelf to support it. What rear speakers,
center channel and subwoofer would you recommend. My room is about 15 X 12. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!


If I were you, I would look into a used pair of BP-30's or a used pair of BP-2000's with the C/L/R-2000. These would most certainly best the Studio Monitor 65's and also the BP-8080's as well. I happen to have a pair of BP-30's for sale that are basically brand new with all new drivers and crossovers replaced by my local Def Tech dealer. PM me is you are interested.

To answer your question, you can use any of Definitive's other speakers for center and surrounds. I think the CS-8080 would be best, or you could possibly look into a used C/L/R-2000 or C/L/R-3000, both of which I think would sound great. For surrounds I would look into the BPVX's or something similar.
post #27335 of 30932
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Originally Posted by UGAd13 View Post

In doing some research for upgrading my HTiB I came across the ProMonitor800 at a local B&M and was thoroughly impressed with the sound coming out of just a pair of bookshelf speakers. The 800s are too large to fit in my current set up (and out of my budget) so I was shown the ProCinema 600. The size of those satellite speakers will fit perfectly in my area. Going further down the rabbit hole I found the earlier version - ProCinema 60. I understand they don’t have the bass radiators like the newer series. Is there a noticeable difference between the 60 and 600?
An authorized internet dealer has the Pro60 for less than the other speakers I was looking at – Energy Take Classic 5.1 (am I allowed to post the pricing?) which is almost too good for me to pass up, but I’m a little hesitant because it’ll be a blind buy.
I didn't want to start a new thread just for this question - let me know if I should or violated any rules.
Thanks,
UGAd13
Hello Uga, it is always challenging to advise someone on a budget about whether a product is "worth the extra money." But the ProCinema 600 is a significant step up from the Pro 60 system. The two main advantages are that a) the 600 system is noticeably more full in the midrange, and b) has better, deeper bass response than the 60 system. The feedback we have gotten from customers is that the difference is pretty noticeable, and not just to audiophiles. Having said that, if you can't swing it, we sold lots of 60 systems to satisfied customers. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by STEVEIB7 View Post

Hey Joe,
You have helped me before and really need your advice on the following; due to hurricane Sandy, I have been forced to change
the amount of funds available to me for speakers. Rather than going with the ST8080's or 8060's, I wanted your opinion on the
studio monitor 65's. Are they the type of speakers that can hang on a wall without a shelf to support it. What rear speakers,
center channel and subwoofer would you recommend. My room is about 15 X 12. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!
Hey Steve, you might check out our web site which describes the "Great for the price of good" promo going on. Both the BP8060 and ProCinema 1000 systems are being promoted through our retailers at pretty strong savings. The SM 65 is a great speaker, but I wouldn't hang it on the wall without a shelf. Ideally it would sit on a good, stable stand. You may also want to check out a BP-8040 based system, as those are smaller floor-standers that don't need any support. The CS-8040 HD center and SR-8040 surrounds are very good for the money. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

If I were you, I would look into a used pair of BP-30's or a used pair of BP-2000's with the C/L/R-2000. These would most certainly best the Studio Monitor 65's and also the BP-8080's as well. I happen to have a pair of BP-30's for sale that are basically brand new with all new drivers and crossovers replaced by my local Def Tech dealer. PM me is you are interested.
To answer your question, you can use any of Definitive's other speakers for center and surrounds. I think the CS-8080 would be best, or you could possibly look into a used C/L/R-2000 or C/L/R-3000, both of which I think would sound great. For surrounds I would look into the BPVX's or something similar.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by STEVEIB7 View Post

Hey Joe,
You have helped me before and really need your advice on the following; due to hurricane Sandy, I have been forced to change
the amount of funds available to me for speakers. Rather than going with the ST8080's or 8060's, I wanted your opinion on the
studio monitor 65's. Are they the type of speakers that can hang on a wall without a shelf to support it. What rear speakers,
center channel and subwoofer would you recommend. My room is about 15 X 12. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!

if you plan to hang the StudioMonitors on the wall without a shelf, definitely look into the wonderful Pinpoint AM40 wall bracket:

am40.jpg

(i love that you can safely mount it without damaging the speakers in any way)
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Joe,

Crutchfield has a deal where if you purchase 8060 towers, they will throw in an 8040 center speaker and 8040 surrounds as well.
Seems like a great deal. The only question I have is will the 8060 towers drown out the 8040 centers? or is this just such a great
deal it does not matter.
post #27340 of 30932
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Originally Posted by STEVEIB7 View Post

Joe,
Crutchfield has a deal where if you purchase 8060 towers, they will throw in an 8040 center speaker and 8040 surrounds as well.
Seems like a great deal. The only question I have is will the 8060 towers drown out the 8040 centers? or is this just such a great
deal it does not matter.
No it will not...the 8040 center uses the same 4 1/2 inch drivers as the 8060 center and towers...
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hello Uga, it is always challenging to advise someone on a budget about whether a product is "worth the extra money." But the ProCinema 600 is a significant step up from the Pro 60 system. The two main advantages are that a) the 600 system is noticeably more full in the midrange, and b) has better, deeper bass response than the 60 system. The feedback we have gotten from customers is that the difference is pretty noticeable, and not just to audiophiles. Having said that, if you can't swing it, we sold lots of 60 systems to satisfied customers. I hope this helps - best, Joe
Thanks Joe

After some further research I feel confident that the pro60 will be a great buy for my current needs. I wouldn't mind starting with a solid 2.1/3.1 using the monitor800 but I just don't have the space for them right now.
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Originally Posted by UGAd13 View Post

Thanks Joe
After some further research I feel confident that the pro60 will be a great buy for my current needs. I wouldn't mind starting with a solid 2.1/3.1 using the monitor800 but I just don't have the space for them right now.

If you don't have space for the PM800s, I would figure out how to create more space. Speakers are one time when size matters. :-)
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Hi all. How much is a fair price for a set of BP2000's (Non-TL), assuming good condition?
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$700-800
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

I don't run either yet do power an 11 amp receiver (near 1200 watts), 4 BP-7000SC's (1800 watts each) and a CLR-3000, large projector, Blu-ray etc, etc all on one large dedicated circuit. I've never seen it pull more than 7 amps. My guess at reference levels it may be near 10 amps - which theoretically means I'm still only drawing a total of say 1200 watts (10 amps X 120 volts etc.)
Totaling up the stated "watts" of all your equipment may give you the max draw ever, yet in real world use you will never see that draw in a typical environment etc. Obviously I am making some assumptions here so please don’t read into that comment.. biggrin.gif Equipment and use are definitely different thus the only way to tell is to measure it during different ranges of draw etc.
Do you know for a fact your lights are tied into the plugin circuits - or are you talking lamps plugged into the wall? Either way they would be minimal unless you're running 150 watt halogens.. smile.gif How old is the house and what state do you live in - what size breakers do you have on the room circuit? Bottom line, If a 10 or 15 amp I wouldn't worry about it. Given all of my years and equipment use, my educated guess would be at reference levels (very loud), you would be at 6 amps or less.
A good comparison: In my living room setup, my 54 inch Panasonic plasma and DISH receiver draws more amps than my BP-2000s (300 watt amp each - much like your 8060s) and Yamaha receiver (approx. 120 watts x5) combined. Even at decent volume levels I've never seen this setup over 5 amps. Typical its 3.5-4.5 with 3 amps being the Plasma and DVR..
Bottom line, unless your house wiring/circuit is suspect, you should have nothing to worry about. I would however find out everything that the circuit in question is powering - besides what you are plugging in etc.. As Joe mentioned, if you have some other large appliance tied in that could definitely cause an issue.
Cheers

I live in Kansas and yes the lights are tied into the wall circuits, not lamps. It is a 15 amp breaker and I have no appliances on that circuit, pretty certain... Right now I believe that circuit has one light/ceiling fan, a lamp, tv, directv receiver, xbox 360 and blu ray player.. I would basically be adding a denon 2113, (2) 8060st's but pairing it with an 8040cs (rather than the 8060cs which required power)... I can get someone out to check out wiring and whatnot but it may be awhile.. Just wanted to see what other people experienced before I pulled the trigger
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Originally Posted by bhess715 View Post

I live in Kansas and yes the lights are tied into the wall circuits, not lamps. It is a 15 amp breaker and I have no appliances on that circuit, pretty certain... Right now I believe that circuit has one light/ceiling fan, a lamp, tv, directv receiver, xbox 360 and blu ray player.. I would basically be adding a denon 2113, (2) 8060st's but pairing it with an 8040cs (rather than the 8060cs which required power)... I can get someone out to check out wiring and whatnot but it may be awhile.. Just wanted to see what other people experienced before I pulled the trigger

You really should be fine. With a 15 amp circuit you have 1800 watts. In the remote chance you exceeded that it would throw the breaker. I have equal - actually greater demand on my one setup and even when pushing it I've never seen a draw near even 70% of the 15 amp circuit etc.

Cheers
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Originally Posted by logicators View Post

$700-800

Really? Currently on e-bay I'm seeingr BP2000 TLs starting at $1300 and another pair for $2100. The BP 2000's are listed at $1800.
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Originally Posted by jtokach View Post

Really? Currently on e-bay I'm seeingr BP2000 TLs starting at $1300 and another pair for $2100. The BP 2000's are listed at $1800.

They are asking for too much.

I paid 875 for 2000TLs earlier this year and have seen many Non-TL pairs listed in 700-1000 range (on Craigslist and ebay). Others on this forum have also bought them in this range.

In contrast, 3000TLs generally go for 1000-1300 a pair and 7001SCs between 1300-2000.
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Another option to consider: Pickup BP30s that Marty is selling and spend ~$1000 on a decent sub like HSU VTF-15H. The combined performance will be a lot better than a pair of 2000TLs alone
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I have a set of BP-20s with two 12" BIC budget subs. I was considering building a set of 15" sealed subs, but then I heard a set of BP 7000 sc and was stricken with envy. My wife would never let me spend $5k on a set of speakers. What to do?
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Originally Posted by jtokach View Post

Really? Currently on e-bay I'm seeingr BP2000 TLs starting at $1300 and another pair for $2100. The BP 2000's are listed at $1800.

As with most anything, supply and demand determines price. In this case supply really isn't a factor - demand on the other hand for a 10-15 year old speaker isn't that great either. Like others have mentioned, the current eBay sellers are asking too much for the majority of buyers. That's why no one is bidding - (out of pure curiosity I tend to watch those sales myself). However, I don't blame them for asking that price. There very well "will" be someone somewhere that really wants a pair and can't get them local and that's their only avenue.

Locally in TX, BP2000s are advertised between 800$-$1200. TLs maybe $100 more etc. I own two pairs of BP2000s, currently selling a near perfect pair myself. Honestly, $900 should be your baseline for TLs and $800 for non-TLs - and expect $200 either side of that given condition.

Cheers
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Don't know how much of this has been covered, but I just discovered the StudioMonitors 45/55, and have been reading alot of positive reviews.
But how would they compare to other popular standmount speakers?
In my case they are to be mounted directly on the wall, so maybe the SM55's are most suitable due to the bass handling not being backwards.
Mostly wondering how they would compare to
Monitor Audo BX2
Tannoy Mercury V1
DALI Zensor 1
Boston Acoustics A25
KEF Q100/R100.

Higly appreciated if someone had done some listening tests between theese!

/Regards Evert




The KEF speakers you mentioned sound pretty good. Unfortunately, KEF is no longer. They were bought out some time ago by a third party company that kept the name but has altered their speaker characteristics. In the 80's they were great speakers but lately there quality have dropped drasticly. It's a shame, it was a good company. I don't know too much of the new company that acquired them. I was going to install the KEF Ci3-80QT - Motorized In Ceiling Speaker but when I found out that the speaker manufacturer isn't the real manufacturer, I decided to pass on them and purchase the Definitive Technoloy RCS II's for my F, R & C and the RSS II's for my Side and Rear speakers. I haven't installed them yet. Waiting on the construction company to do some room re-modeling first. But as soon as the room is done and the speakers are mounted, I will display photos and explain how they performed. I'm using a 7.1 setup.

I hope I've helped you out somewhat. I wish you the best in your speaker selections.


Peace and be safe this holiday season. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hello J Stamp, I have forwarded your situation to TJ, Adam and Chet, so they are prepped to help you out. E mail info@definitvetech.com or call them at 800-228-7148 and they can work it through with you - best, Joe


Yeah, I've dealt with both of them but mainly Chet and he has helped me out tremendously. What a great guy. I'm very impressed with Def. Tech.'s customer support too. I emailed them a week ago asking where I could purchase some extra foam gaskets for my speaker housings and Def. Tech. replied with a how many do I need and where do you want us to send them too. And they sent them to me for free within a week. Super nice company and people who really care about there customers.

I've had PSB speakers along with a Def. Tech Sub and PSB had very bad support. I'm glad I made the switch to Def. Tech. I'm staying with them. Unfortunately, there subs wouldn't work with my custom, built in setup so I had to go with a JL Audio Fathom F112.

Peace to all and all have a safe holiday. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by e_kjellgren View Post

Don't know how much of this has been covered, but I just discovered the StudioMonitors 45/55, and have been reading alot of positive reviews.
But how would they compare to other popular standmount speakers?
In my case they are to be mounted directly on the wall, so maybe the SM55's are most suitable due to the bass handling not being backwards.
Mostly wondering how they would compare to
Monitor Audo BX2
Tannoy Mercury V1
DALI Zensor 1
Boston Acoustics A25
KEF Q100/R100.
Higly appreciated if someone had done some listening tests between theese!
/Regards Evert

The KEF speakers you mentioned sound pretty good. Unfortunately, KEF is no longer. They were bought out some time ago by a third party company that kept the name but has altered their speaker characteristics. In the 80's they were great speakers but lately there quality have dropped drasticly. It's a shame, it was a good company. I don't know too much of the new company that acquired them. I was going to install the KEF Ci3-80QT - Motorized In Ceiling Speaker but when I found out that the speaker manufacturer isn't the real manufacturer, I decided to pass on them and purchase the Definitive Technoloy RCS II's for my F, R & C and the RSS II's for my Side and Rear speakers. I haven't installed them yet. Waiting on the construction company to do some room re-modeling first. But as soon as the room is done and the speakers are mounted, I will display photos and explain how they performed. I'm using a 7.1 setup.

I hope I've helped you out somewhat. I wish you the best in your speaker selections.


Peace and be safe this holiday season.
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Thanks for all of the advice... I decided to go with the 8080STs and the 8080CS for the front speakers for now. I'll worry about the surrounds later.

Now I have a problem with the setup: I'm using an Anthem MRX 500 to drive the speakers, and I can't get the LED on the 8080CS to ever come on. I've connected exactly as shown in the manual. I've tried with and without connecting the receiver's center preout to the low level input of the speakers. The polarity of the speaker wires is correct.

I've set the center channel to LARGE in the receiver.

Any thoughts? There is no bass coming from the center channel.

When I power the CS, the LED blinks for 30 seconds as expected and described in the manual, but then it stays dark. The LED for the STs is on as expected.
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Originally Posted by LarsGunner View Post

Thanks for all of the advice... I decided to go with the 8080STs and the 8080CS for the front speakers for now. I'll worry about the surrounds later.
Now I have a problem with the setup: I'm using an Anthem MRX 500 to drive the speakers, and I can't get the LED on the 8080CS to ever come on. I've connected exactly as shown in the manual. I've tried with and without connecting the receiver's center preout to the low level input of the speakers. The polarity of the speaker wires is correct.
I've set the center channel to LARGE in the receiver.
Any thoughts? There is no bass coming from the center channel.
When I power the CS, the LED blinks for 30 seconds as expected and described in the manual, but then it stays dark. The LED for the STs is on as expected.

My first thought was check the plugin yet you mentioned the CS blinked. I'm sure you played a DVD / BD and ensured the center channel had a strong signal etc.? Bottom line, if you have moderate volume from the CS it should have powered on. Did you purchase locally - hopefully you can make a painless swap. I had the same happen to one of my BP7000SC amps yet about a year after purchase. DT service was of course stellar.

Keep us posted and congrats on the setup!
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Thanks, KJSmitty. I played Transformers LOUD, and there's lots of sound coming from the center channel - just that the LED on the CS8080 never turns on and there's no bass from the center channel. I turn the knob on the back to maximum and it makes no difference.

I did purchase locally and will be calling them on Tuesday when they open. I'm willing to bet they will blame me for something.

It is rather disappointing that one out of three speakers doesn't work right out of the box.
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Originally Posted by STEVEIB7 View Post

Joe,
Crutchfield has a deal where if you purchase 8060 towers, they will throw in an 8040 center speaker and 8040 surrounds as well.
Seems like a great deal. The only question I have is will the 8060 towers drown out the 8040 centers? or is this just such a great
deal it does not matter.
Hi Stevie, I agree with Josh. Remember that you'll be dialing in the relative amount of signal that each speaker gets when you calibrate your system using your receiver. Go for that deal while it lasts! From time to time, manufacturers guess wrong on how many of this model they will sell vs how many of that one... and you're the beneficiary. Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by LarsGunner View Post

Thanks, KJSmitty. I played Transformers LOUD, and there's lots of sound coming from the center channel - just that the LED on the CS8080 never turns on and there's no bass from the center channel. I turn the knob on the back to maximum and it makes no difference.
I did purchase locally and will be calling them on Tuesday when they open. I'm willing to bet they will blame me for something.
It is rather disappointing that one out of three speakers doesn't work right out of the box.
Hi Lars, it sounds to me like the always-on-it KJSmitty has diagnosed this correctly. My guess is that the amp has an issue, and while I am also disappointed, it does happen. I am sorry about that. The good news is that an amp swap is a relatively painless procedure. Getting in touch with your local dealer is always the best move, but if there is any problem, our customer service guys can take care of you too - info@definitivetech.com. One way or another we'll get you back up and running. Thanks for buying Definitive - best, Joe
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Joe,

Thanks for your advice. Also, Is the Denon 3313 with its 125 watts per channel powerful enough to drive the 8060 towers and 8040 center
Is there any other receiver that might be a better match? I do have direct tv and my tv will be a panasonic vt 55.

Thanks
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