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post #27421 of 30939
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Originally Posted by Raco232 View Post

Joeatdefinitive,
I have a 8060 center and am upgrading the fronts, most of my listening is video. I just got done listening to BP8060's but Best Buy no longer can get the Mytho's STS's, but I did listen to them a couple of years ago and they are wonderful! Between the 8060's and the STS's, which would be your choice for video?
Hello Raco, yes, the STS sounds wonderful, and I believe Magnolia can get them from us... so think someone got confused. Both speakers are great, with slightly different strengths. Mythos STS has the iconic styling that makes it one of the best looking speakers ever in my view, and they sound great too. The BP 8060 ST is also really good, and cosmetically attractive too. There is a price difference, and if you can afford the STS I suggest them. I bought a pair for myself. The 8060 is a great product too and more affordable. If your room is large, the 8060's have larger subwoofers and bass radiators, so that may enter into your thinking. I hope this helps - best, Joe
post #27422 of 30939
I will be off the site for awhile, out on vacation until 12/3. Don't hesitate to e-mail TJ, Chet and Adam at info@definitivetech.com, or call 1-800-228-7148 if you have questions. Happy Holidays! See you soon - best, Joe
post #27423 of 30939
Anyone wanna trade 2 mint CLR3000's and 2 mint BPVX's for a pair of BP7001SC or BP7000SC? I was thinking of using CLR3000's for rear surrounds but I don't want to risk them falling off a stand. The BPVX's are just not adjustable enough for me as far as positioning.
post #27424 of 30939
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Anyone wanna trade 2 mint CLR3000's and 2 mint BPVX's for a pair of BP7001SC or BP7000SC? I was thinking of using CLR3000's for rear surrounds but I don't want to risk them falling off a stand. The BPVX's are just not adjustable enough for me as far as positioning.

I'd buy your bpvx if you go that route. I'm in Houston.
post #27425 of 30939
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

I will be off the site for awhile, out on vacation until 12/3. Don't hesitate to e-mail TJ, Chet and Adam at info@definitivetech.com, or call 1-800-228-7148 if you have questions. Happy Holidays! See you soon - best, Joe

Have a nice vacation and thanks for your help here on the board
post #27426 of 30939
Hello all I am looking to upgrade my current 5.1 to 7.1 and was wondering which speakers I should be looking at. So far my system consists of

Receiver - Denon 3808ci
Fronts - Def Tech 7002
Center - Def Tech C/L/R 2002
Surrounds - Def Tech BP1XBLA

I'm pretty happy with the system as is, I don't get to listen as loud as I would like as I live on the top floor of a condo and get complaints which is also why I do not have a dedicated sub at the moment. My question is for adding another set of surrounds would I be better off getting something similar to the BP1XBLA that I already have or maybe look at the SM65 or SM55. I buy my def tech speakers at best buy and I don't believe they carry the SM65 does anyone know if they can order them? How about the SR-8080BP would those be most like the surrounds I currently have. Also how would I go about wall mounting the SM55 or 65? I appreciate any help you guys can give. I basically use the speakers for tv / movies and gaming I don't listen to much music on them. Thanks again.
post #27427 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

Hello all I am looking to upgrade my current 5.1 to 7.1 and was wondering which speakers I should be looking at. So far my system consists of
Receiver - Denon 3808ci
Fronts - Def Tech 7002
Center - Def Tech C/L/R 2002
Surrounds - Def Tech BP1X

Given your situation I would just look for a used pair of either BP2Xs or BPXs. Then move the BP1Xs to "rear" duty. They would blend perfectly with your 2002 setup.
post #27428 of 30939
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

Given your situation I would just look for a used pair of either BP2Xs or BPXs. Then move the BP1Xs to "rear" duty. They would blend perfectly with your 2002 setup.


what is the difference between bp2x, bpx, bp1x, bpvx and SR-8080BP? i like the look of those speakers and truthfully would work alot better in my room than studio monitors. i was hoping i could purchase what i needed at best buy, but it doesn't look like they carry any of the surrounds anymore. i guess i need to start looking through the classifieds. i saw the sr-8080bp for a good price on digital craze that might be worth a look as well.
post #27429 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

what is the difference between bp2x, bpx, bp1x, bpvx and SR-8080BP? i like the look of those speakers and truthfully would work alot better in my room than studio monitors. i was hoping i could purchase what i needed at best buy, but it doesn't look like they carry any of the surrounds anymore. i guess i need to start looking through the classifieds. i saw the sr-8080bp for a good price on digital craze that might be worth a look as well.

It may be fine yet I'm not sure if DT recommends pairing up the new SR-8 series with the older BP line.

As for the BP1X, BP2X, BPX and BPVX they all have the same appearance just different sizes. The 2X and BPX both have 5.25 inch drivers that match your 2002s. The 2X has two drivers and two tweeters, the BPX has four drivers and two tweeters. The BPVX has four 6.5 inch drivers and two tweeters. The BPX and BPVX both have gloss/piano black end caps

You can find a pair of BP2Xs for $275 or less locally or on eBay/Audiogon etc. Used BPXs typically go for $350-450. Used BPVXs can be as high as $750 a pair.

The rears in a 7 channel setup are the least dynamic, that's why your 1Xs would work fine there. Get a pair of 2Xs or BPXs for side surrounds. You would be quite impressed at the quality of surround.

Have fun!
post #27430 of 30939
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

It may be fine yet I'm not sure if DT recommends pairing up the new SR-8 series with the older BP line.
As for the BP1X, BP2X, BPX and BPVX they all have the same appearance just different sizes. The 2X and BPX both have 5.25 inch drivers that match your 2002s. The 2X has two drivers and two tweeters, the BPX has four drivers and two tweeters. The BPVX has four 6.5 inch drivers and two tweeters. The BPX and BPVX both have gloss/piano black end caps
You can find a pair of BP2Xs for $275 or less locally or on eBay/Audiogon etc. Used BPXs typically go for $350-450. Used BPVXs can be as high as $750 a pair.
The rears in a 7 channel setup are the least dynamic, that's why your 1Xs would work fine there. Get a pair of 2Xs or BPXs for side surrounds. You would be quite impressed at the quality of surround.
Have fun!


I've been looking online for some used BPX's and can't seem to find anything in the price range you described, most are pretty much for what they went for new. I wrote to Def tech and they suggested buying the SR-8080's I like the idea of matching the speaker size, would I really notice a difference if I didn't and went with the newer line or was able to find BPV-X? These will most likely be the last speakers I'll have to buy for a while so I don't want to buy something then wish I went bigger or better. I'd go for the BPX's if I could find a pair.
post #27431 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

I've been looking online for some used BPX's and can't seem to find anything in the price range you described, most are pretty much for what they went for new. I wrote to Def tech and they suggested buying the SR-8080's I like the idea of matching the speaker size, would I really notice a difference if I didn't and went with the newer line or was able to find BPV-X? These will most likely be the last speakers I'll have to buy for a while so I don't want to buy something then wish I went bigger or better. I'd go for the BPX's if I could find a pair.

I am selling my BPX's right now on eBay. I am selling only because I picked up some BPVX's. They should sell for around that price range.
post #27432 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

I've been looking online for some used BPX's and can't seem to find anything in the price range you described, most are pretty much for what they went for new. I wrote to Def tech and they suggested buying the SR-8080's I like the idea of matching the speaker size, would I really notice a difference if I didn't and went with the newer line or was able to find BPV-X? These will most likely be the last speakers I'll have to buy for a while so I don't want to buy something then wish I went bigger or better. I'd go for the BPX's if I could find a pair.

I think you would be fine by going with the SR-8080's. Timbre matching is really only important in the front LCR's, and although some people get really anal about having the same "timbre" all the way around, it is my opinion that, unless you listen to a lot of multi-channel music, you would be best served with a pair of the SR-8080's. Now granted, the BPV/X's are really good, they are also very expensive, and in my opinion, not needed.
post #27433 of 30939
I'm still going to try to pick up bpx's to replace my surrounds however I'm now also wanting to upgrade my center channel. Right now I have the clr 2002 which of the def tech line would be best to upgrade to? I've been told the 1000b is a great choice, however from what I've been reading online I've been leaning towards a CLR 3000 if I can find one used or maybe the new CS8080HD. I don't have a dedicated sub right now so I like the idea of having them in my tower and in the center channel. Would having 6 1/2" speakers in the center make a difference? I figure if I pick up a new center I could go to a 6.1 system using the clr2002 in the rear of my room. I would just need to find some kind of shelf to put it on. anyone have suggestions to hold a speaker that size? I was thinking of getting something like this http://www.htmarket.com/ht-ps200.html
post #27434 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

I'm still going to try to pick up bpx's to replace my surrounds however I'm now also wanting to upgrade my center channel. Right now I have the clr 2002 which of the def tech line would be best to upgrade to? I've been told the 1000b is a great choice, however from what I've been reading online I've been leaning towards a CLR 3000 if I can find one used or maybe the new CS8080HD. I don't have a dedicated sub right now so I like the idea of having them in my tower and in the center channel. Would having 6 1/2" speakers in the center make a difference? I figure if I pick up a new center I could go to a 6.1 system using the clr2002 in the rear of my room. I would just need to find some kind of shelf to put it on. anyone have suggestions to hold a speaker that size? I was thinking of getting something like this http://www.htmarket.com/ht-ps200.html

Isn't the matching center a clr2500? The shelf looks pretty cool. Might limit how far away from the wall you can place the center though. The clr3000 is a beast. Your 7002 will probably run out of steam before the clr3000 strains any.
post #27435 of 30939
Anyone know if phase is ever a issue with def tech towers? There's no dial or switch to adjust it... I was messing with my HGS18 sub and found out bass is strong with the phase at 180 up until 60hz or so then above that the bass was way stronger with 0 phase! I guess you could test with one tower sub on record the SPL then turn on the 2nd tower and record the SPL. If the SPL is lower, try a different placement? Probably have to test at several frequencies, I.e. 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 hz.
Edited by truwarrior22 - 11/25/12 at 8:07am
post #27436 of 30939
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Originally Posted by thecolonel View Post

I'm still going to try to pick up bpx's to replace my surrounds however I'm now also wanting to upgrade my center channel. Right now I have the clr 2002 which of the def tech line would be best to upgrade to? I've been told the 1000b is a great choice, however from what I've been reading online I've been leaning towards a CLR 3000 if I can find one used or maybe the new CS8080HD. I don't have a dedicated sub right now so I like the idea of having them in my tower and in the center channel. Would having 6 1/2" speakers in the center make a difference? I figure if I pick up a new center I could go to a 6.1 system using the clr2002 in the rear of my room. I would just need to find some kind of shelf to put it on. anyone have suggestions to hold a speaker that size? I was thinking of getting something like this http://www.htmarket.com/ht-ps200.html

Sure the 3000 would be great (and would blend fine with your 2002s) yet I would not plan on using the 10 inch driver as a sub. So if that's the main reason for purchase I would suggest purchasing the 1000 or a CLR2000 and spending the rest on a dedicated sub etc.

I'm one of the few on this forum that does utilize the powered drivers in my DT towers as dedicated subs via RCA cables. It works perfectly in my HT due to its just that, near 100% HT. I don't however treat my CLR3000s the same. Yes you could use the 10 inch powered driver as a sub yet it's intent is to facilitate a true "full range" highly dynamic center channel speaker. It's awesome when run just by speaker wire. JMHO of course.

I would agree with Martycool as well, utilizing the newer 8 series surrounds with the older BP mains would be fine - and it sounds like DT has already validated that for ya. I'm not sure if they would state the same with pairing up the 8080 center. But then again it could set you up for a full 8080 upgrade... 😀

Cheers
post #27437 of 30939
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Anyone know if phase is ever a issue with def tech towers? There's no dial or switch to adjust it... I was messing with my HGS18 sub and found out bass is strong with the phase at 180 up until 60hz or so then above that the bass was way stronger with 0 phase! I guess you could test with one tower sub on record the SPL then turn on the 2nd tower and record the SPL. If the SPL is lower, try a different placement? Probably have to test at several frequencies, I.e. 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 hz.

More I think about it, they must be phased to the match the mids. Just curious if the towers may cancel each other out? Seems that I never had issues though. Every time I have each tower plugged in, I appear to gain more bass.
post #27438 of 30939
I know I am going at this a bit backwards but here is the basics of my situation -

I recently moved into a new flat that is somewhat a long rectangle with one of the long walls being somewhat including an alcove with entry door on one side and short all on the other. This is where my media center resides. The flat has high ceilings. The seating is about 7' from the screen (65") and about 3' of space behind the seating. My sticky is that I am doing this a bit backwards as I already have a receiver that is low wattage (Marantz NR1602 50watts per channel). I have some older bookshelf speakers that I would like to retire. I was interested in starting out with a 3.1 system and then moving later the front speakers to the back for 5.1 and get the next step up in speakers for the front. I would like perhaps in the future to acquire SACD discs.

My concern is about which DT's can be driven with the receiver I have for a 5.1 system and if any of the "kit" sales have a good option for me. Naturally I am drawn to the towers with built in bass and a matching center.

I listen to music, watch tv cable and blu ray daily consistently. My music taste varies from film scores, pop music, rock, jazz etc. Given I live in an apartment, I cant blast subs but I do enjoy a mild sensation of the lows. I am more concerned about music than blu ray "thump/crash" sounds.

Any help would be very much appreciated. I see a lot going for the ST8060 kits but are the 8020 and 8040 reasonable given more concern about music than surround thump? I am not adverse to bookshelf speakers if they can do justice to music and can be later moved to the rear wall later for 5.1.

Thanks to any and all that can give me some of their experience and sage advice (other than replace the Marantz which will happen end of next year as I got it as a gift).

- Phrehdd

Marantz NR1602, Oppo 103, Dune 3 Base, TiVo 3, PS3, Panny VT50 plasma, QNAP NAS, 5.1 Energy eXL bookshelves and center, Older 10" Klipsch sub.
Edited by Phrehdd - 11/25/12 at 2:51pm
post #27439 of 30939
what stands to use with studio monitor 65
post #27440 of 30939
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

More I think about it, they must be phased to the match the mids. Just curious if the towers may cancel each other out? Seems that I never had issues though. Every time I have each tower plugged in, I appear to gain more bass.

My Denon has Audyssey MultXT 32 with SubEQ, so I can set each of the tower's subs to the proper level. I'm probably doing it wrong, but I liked the subs better with music and movies with them fully bridged in back and RCA running into the LFE input. I set the receiver to L/R + LFE and speaker size to large.
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Originally Posted by tlb48 View Post

what stands to use with studio monitor 65

DefTech makes stands for their Studio Monitor speakers. These are for the SM350 and SM450 but should work fine with the new Studio monitor speakers. Any sturdy stand should work fine with the SM65. The speaker is 16.5" tall so that would put the tweeter at about 8.25". Just subtract the 8.25" from the height your ears are from the floor when seated. That will be the height your stand needs to be for the tweeter to be at ear-level when seated. You can get a taller stand and just angle the speaker down a little bit.
Edited by jevans64 - 11/25/12 at 9:09pm
post #27441 of 30939
I'm interested in either the SM350 or SM450 for fronts and a 3rd of either for a center channel in a smallish room.



diemensions of room are 12' W X 13' L X 8' H



front of front speaker will be 18" off the back of the wall same for CC. right speaker will be slitely angled in.



edit I usalley don't listen to loud volumne I prefer a lower than mid volumne level, I'm expecting excentlent sound quaility not nessasalley quanity

asking for advice on matching speaker size to room size for this size room would the 450 be too big? or would the 350 be too small?.



I attach a diagram of the room layout
roomdiemensions.png


Thanks STB
Edited by stevethebrain - 11/26/12 at 10:17am
post #27442 of 30939
i think you will be fine with what ever choice you make,we sit about 10 feet from our sm350.
post #27443 of 30939
will Definitive Technology Mythos 5 sound as good or better than the SM350s?

asking this ? becauce the Definitive Technology Mythos 5 have a much smaller woofer than the SM350.

also can any DT speaker be used as a center channel w/ the Definitive Technology Mythos 5?
Thanks STB
post #27444 of 30939
Purchased a ProMount 90 for my PM1000 fronts and am planning on mounting them to a wall. The manual says to use #10 wood screws, but it doesn't mention the length. What's a good length for mounting the bracket through drywall and into stud?
post #27445 of 30939
Hello all - I currently have (2) 8060st towers and a JTR Captivator S2 subwoofer. I am not looking at getting a center speaker and possibly surrounds. I was looking at the CS8060 center speaker, however is there a better option for my system since I already have such a powerful subwoofer and don't really need ths built in sub in the center channel? Any recommendations on surrounds also?
post #27446 of 30939
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Originally Posted by haroon08 View Post

Hello all - I currently have (2) 8060st towers and a JTR Captivator S2 subwoofer. I am not looking at getting a center speaker and possibly surrounds. I was looking at the CS8060 center speaker, however is there a better option for my system since I already have such a powerful subwoofer and don't really need ths built in sub in the center channel? Any recommendations on surrounds also?

Another 8060ST would be best. The 8040 center does not have a powered sub.
post #27447 of 30939
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Purchased a ProMount 90 for my PM1000 fronts and am planning on mounting them to a wall. The manual says to use #10 wood screws, but it doesn't mention the length. What's a good length for mounting the bracket through drywall and into stud?

Minimum 2" long. You can go longer up to 3" and drill a small pilot hole to make it easier to sink the screw. 1/8" drill bit should be fine for the pilot hole.
post #27448 of 30939
Anyone interested in a lightly used Supercube Reference? I have one for sell here in the classifieds!
post #27449 of 30939
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Another 8060ST would be best. The 8040 center does not have a powered sub.

Unfotunately I dont have the room to use another 8060st tower for a center channel. Thats why I was looking at the CS-8060. I have a very powerful subwoofer and I am not sure if there is any advantage of having one in the center speaker which is why I was asking if there are any other options that might be better for the same price.
post #27450 of 30939
Haroon,

I am using a CLR-3000 with my S2.

You are right that you don't really need a center with a built in sub in presence of the S2. However, a sub in center channel is not really used as a sub. It's a way to achieve full range. Many of us run our main sub a few dbs hot. Since the center channel carries mostly voices , if you run the lower end of the center channel hotter than the rest of the freq range the dialog quality somewhat detoriates. I feel noticeable difference if I run the sub hot and cross the center channel at 80 Hz. The difference goes away if I level match the sub or if I cross the center at 40 Hz (min allowed by my receiver).

Get the biggest center you can afford!
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