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post #27601 of 30947
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Originally Posted by vicini View Post

About to pull the trigger on the 8060ST deal going on right now. Heard them at Magnolia and loved them.
I have a few questions I thought this forum might help answer so I can close on the purchase at Crutchfield
I have a 18x13 media room with Onkyo receiver with 1 SUB out port.
Questions:
1. Should I stick with free 8040 center or go with the 8060 to match even if I can't run a LFE to it?
2. Worth it to upgrade the 8080 surrounds over the 8040s?
3. Since I have one Sub out port what is the best way to run the LFE line to the speakers? Run to 1 side or Y adaptor and run to both L and R 8060s? Or some other config?
This no sub option is very appealing due to limited floor space I just want the best house shaking experience I can get.
Thanks
Hi Vinci, your budget is known to you, not us, but I always suggest upgrading, especially where the center channel is involved. The CS 8060 HD will run fine with speaker wire, so your inability to run an RCA cable to the center location should not be a deal-breaker. Upgrade the surrounds too if you can, but if it is one or the other, I suggest the center is more important. Lastly, we suggest the y adaptor and run to both if you can. Enjoy them and let us know how it sounds! Best, Joe
post #27602 of 30947
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Lastly, we suggest the y adaptor and run to both if you can.

Hi Joe,

What is the speaker configuration setting on the receiver that you recommend if we use the LFE line? Do we still set the towers as large?

Also can you explain the advantage of this over just speaker wires only with large setting?

Thanks,
Paul
post #27603 of 30947
I have a pair of def tech Sr 8080bp surrounds for sale. They are in the original packaging in perfect condition, they were taken out of the box only to test. I went with an energy rc setup, so they have just been sitting in my closet. What is a fair price to ask for these?
post #27604 of 30947
Thanks for all the feedback from you and Joe. Budget is up to $2500 so I should be ok with upgrade price wise.

Since Crutchfield lets you apply the value of the 8040s to upgrade to the 8060 center and 8080 surrounds (note Crutchfield is the only site I've found that will do this, love them) I won't have to do any re-selling. I think $300 extra will be worth it in the long run to upgrade. I kept my old JBLs for 15 years so l'm not one to upgrade often.

As far as the LFE goes, I just realized my receiver actually has 2 SUB outs. It's the Onkyo TX-SR607 7.2 receiver and I was thinking about upgrading but maybe not now assuming this receiver will drive the speakers ok.

I can test it both ways with and without LFE but new question would be should I use the Y adaptor on one of the sub outs for L/R towers and run the other sub out to the Center channel or stick with just one LFE out to each tower?

thanks
post #27605 of 30947
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Originally Posted by vicini View Post

Thanks for all the feedback from you and Joe. Budget is up to $2500 so I should be ok with upgrade price wise.
Since Crutchfield lets you apply the value of the 8040s to upgrade to the 8060 center and 8080 surrounds (note Crutchfield is the only site I've found that will do this, love them) I won't have to do any re-selling. I think $300 extra will be worth it in the long run to upgrade. I kept my old JBLs for 15 years so l'm not one to upgrade often.
As far as the LFE goes, I just realized my receiver actually has 2 SUB outs. It's the Onkyo TX-SR607 7.2 receiver and I was thinking about upgrading but maybe not now assuming this receiver will drive the speakers ok.
I can test it both ways with and without LFE but new question would be should I use the Y adaptor on one of the sub outs for L/R towers and run the other sub out to the Center channel or stick with just one LFE out to each tower?
thanks

I have the Def Tech BP7001SC (not the new product line), and the C/L/R 3000 center, but the speaker connections are very similar with the LFE option.

I also have an Onkyo receiver driving the speakers with dual sub-outs. I found that I prefer the LFE connections better as it gives me more control over the bass using Audyssey, rather than just using speaker wire to all speakers. However, I only ran LFE to the towers. I use speaker wire only to the center, and cross the center over at 80hz which sends the frequencies below that to the subs.

With the LFE connections to the built-in subs, Audyssey can better equalize the subs like stand-alone subs, which is basically what you have if you use the LFE inputs and bypass the built-in crossovers.

I also have a Def Tech Reference sub, so I use one sub-out from the receiver to the Ref, and split the second sub-out, one to each tower LFE input.

Audyssey does its magic with the Reference sub individually, and then moves to the built-in subs and equalizes them as one. The bass that I have in my system is tight, controlled and extremely well blended with the entire system.

One thing to mention before going this route is to set the sub gains all the same, and not just by the gain knob orientation. I found that the gain knobs on my towers didn’t match each other in SPL…not even close. So, set each sub gain the same before running Audyssey. I set mine at 75db with a SPL meter before running room correction. I am using Audyessy MultEQ XT not the newest XT32 which requires the 75db match prior to running the tones.

Once I settled on this arrangement, I haven't had any urge to try different wiring schemes.

There is a lengthy discussion about speaker wire vs LFE connections dating back at least a year on this thread that you may want to review. There is no definitive (pun not intended) answer to the debate. Try it both ways and go with what sounds best to you.

Hope this helps.
post #27606 of 30947
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi TIA, the SM 55 is a completely re-designed speaker from the (almost 10 year old) 350 / 450 speakers, with better mids, high-end dispersion, bass, cosmetics... etc. The 55's will work great with a CS 8060 HD. Enjoy! Best, Joe


The 450's are on sale today, but then I saw that the Mythos Four Floorstanding Tower's are also on sale. I actually got the OK to purchase tower speakers(shocking).

Assume the towers are > then the 450's. 90% movies, 10% music, and hopefully will work with my center speaker(CS-806HD)?

Thanks
post #27607 of 30947
My CLR 2002 came in last night from ups. I can't wait to hook it up, which will happen tomorrow after I build the custom riser for my tv to fit this speaker under. I can't wait, and I'm looking forward to reporting how it sounds.
post #27608 of 30947
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Originally Posted by EricWilliams View Post

Just received my 8060 towers tonight with the 8040 rears arriving tomorrow and the 8060 center arriving Wednesday. The good news: I see great potential for some awesome sound. The bad news: one of the towers is a dud!! The front-facing midrange driver on top has an immediately noticeable pop/hiss combination that's present whether wired as the left or right speaker. Meanwhile, the other tower sounds fine regardless of where it's wired. Total bummer, but at least the entire system doesn't arrive until Wednesday anyway. After calling Crutchfield tonight I was easily able to get them to send out a replacement unit. I swear this is just my luck with everything I eagerly anticipate. Here's to hoping round two goes better.

I just got a pair of 8060's a little over a week ago and right out of the box had the same issue with one of my forward facing drivers as well. I was told that it is super rare. Not good, maybe they need to run the speakers through their paces a little better before shipping? Either way DT was able to send me another driver over night with no issues. Sounds good now.
post #27609 of 30947
Sry to hear you guys had a few issues with your towers...I too own the 8060's and absolutely love them...they amaze me every time with movies and music.One of the great things about definitive is there customer service...its top notch!...now go play and crank it up...wink.gif

Take care

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post #27610 of 30947
I have a weird delima... I listen to Pandora a lot through my Sony bluray player and the sound is good I'd call it but today I tried listening to Pandora through my pioneer vsx-60 directly since it has a dedicated Pandora button and holy cow!...music sounds 10 times better....I don't get it but now listening to music it feels a hell of a lot more emotional and crystal clear...can someone explain this to me?...lol only thing I can think of is maybe my settings are off in my bluray player dunno but I've done a comparison of Pandora on the bluray and the received and you sure can tell the difference.

Thx

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post #27611 of 30947
My clr 2002 is now added bringing me up to a 3.1 system. The riser I built needs a few cosmetic adjustments since the shelves used were finished on only one side, but it's a perfect fit for my center. I'm watching a random movie on Netflix now and enjoying it.
post #27612 of 30947
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Originally Posted by bjaurelio View Post

My clr 2002 is now added bringing me up to a 3.1 system. The riser I built needs a few cosmetic adjustments since the shelves used were finished on only one side, but it's a perfect fit for my center. I'm watching a random movie on Netflix now and enjoying it.
Glad to hear it BJA - best, Joe
post #27613 of 30947
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

The 450's are on sale today, but then I saw that the Mythos Four Floorstanding Tower's are also on sale. I actually got the OK to purchase tower speakers(shocking).
Assume the towers are > then the 450's. 90% movies, 10% music, and hopefully will work with my center speaker(CS-806HD)?
Thanks
Hello GT, the Mythos 4 is in a cosmetically completely different ballpark. If you can get those I would suggest it over the 450's. Either should work fine with the CS-8060HD. Good luck - best, Joe
post #27614 of 30947
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Originally Posted by Popo9 View Post

Hi Joe,
What is the speaker configuration setting on the receiver that you recommend if we use the LFE line? Do we still set the towers as large?
Also can you explain the advantage of this over just speaker wires only with large setting?
Thanks,
Paul
Hi Popo, yes, set them to large. I'll try to post in the next couple of days a more complete answer to your second question - best, Joe
post #27615 of 30947
Hello all, I am a new member and need your advise /recommendations on speakers. 50% movies/TV; 40% music and 10% gaming.

My current setup: ONKYO 606; Boss Acoustimass 10 Series IV (5-1) , BD, Dish, Xbox and Roku.

I am upgrading my receiver to ONKYO 818 (Purchased) and planning to replace my Boss speakers. My budget is 2K and based on my research in this form; I am looking at the following options. Please advise with suggestions or any other system in this price range.

Living room size 20x16 with open floor plan to Kitchen and dining area


Option#1
Def T - SM 65 for L & R; CS 8060 HD center with two Boss satellites for surround and HSU VTF-15h sub

Option#2

Def T - BP8060ST for L& R; CS 8060 HD center; Two SR-8040BP for Surround and no Sub (Any issues without sub?)

Please help. Thx
post #27616 of 30947
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Originally Posted by VGAVSFORUM View Post

Hello all, I am a new member and need your advise /recommendations on speakers. 50% movies/TV; 40% music and 10% gaming.
My current setup: ONKYO 606; Boss Acoustimass 10 Series IV (5-1) , BD, Dish, Xbox and Roku.
I am upgrading my receiver to ONKYO 818 (Purchased) and planning to replace my Boss speakers. My budget is 2K and based on my research in this form; I am looking at the following options. Please advise with suggestions or any other system in this price range.
Living room size 20x16 with open floor plan to Kitchen and dining area
Option#1
Def T - SM 65 for L & R; CS 8060 HD center with two Boss satellites for surround and HSU VTF-15h sub
Option#2
Def T - BP8060ST for L& R; CS 8060 HD center; Two SR-8040BP for Surround and no Sub (Any issues without sub?)
Please help. Thx

I think DefTech still has the $2000 package deal on the BP8060ST, CS 8040HD, and SR8040BP. The 8060's each have a 150 watt powered sub which would probably be good enough by themselves until you can gather enough scratch for a sub that will dig deeper. You would have to call the dealer you plan on getting these from to see if you can pay the additional $200 for the CS 8060HD upgrade. Only thing I don't like about them is their relatively small mid-range drivers but you'll be matched across the front three with the BP8060 system vs. the SM65/CS 8060HD setup. The difference between the CS 8060HD and CS 8040HD is the 8" active subwoofer vs. the passive 4" x 10" racetrack woofer. You'll need more power to drive the 8040.
Edited by jevans64 - 12/18/12 at 11:54pm
post #27617 of 30947
Hey guys, just wanted to say that I ordered the BP8060 package from Magnolia and went ahead and bought a Yamaha rx-a2010 from Amazon to drive them. This is my first major home theater purchase, everything else to date has been a HTiB setup. Do you guys think I'll have any issues? Is the Yamaha a good choice to pair with this speaker package (enough power, etc.)? I'm looking forward to learning all I can about this and can't wait to get everything set up! Been lurking this thread for about 3 months now...
post #27618 of 30947
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

I think DefTech still has the $2000 package deal on the BP8060ST, CS 8040HD, and SR8040BP. The 8060's each have a 300 watt powered sub which would probably be good enough by themselves until you can gather enough scratch for a sub that will dig deeper. You would have to call the dealer you plan on getting these from to see if you can pay the additional $200 for the CS 8060HD upgrade. Only thing I don't like about them is their relatively small mid-range drivers but you'll be matched across the front three with the BP8060 system vs. the SM65/CS 8060HD setup. The difference between the CS 8060HD and CS 8040HD is the 8" active subwoofer vs. the passive 4" x 10" racetrack woofer. You'll need more power to drive the 8040.
Hi VGA, Jevan makes some great points about option #2. That's what I would do. At this time of year, because we were over-inventoried on the BP-8060 ST, you wind up getting a killer deal on that package. Regarding the subwoofer, it is not uncommon that folks get the bass they want just from the 8060's. But if you feel that you want more deep bass for your room, you can always add the sub, or subs, later. Happy listening! Best, Joe
post #27619 of 30947
Thanks,

I ended up going with the SM55's, and wow, what a difference. So, another question, would the 350's be a better choice to use as my surrounds?, Or, should I just continue using the BP2X as the surrounds?

Thanks.

R/L - SM55's
Center - CS-8060HD
Surrounds - BP2X, or 350's
Sub - SVS PC-12 plus
post #27620 of 30947
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

Thanks,
I ended up going with the SM55's, and wow, what a difference. So, another question, would the 350's be a better choice to use as my surrounds?, Or, should I just continue using the BP2X as the surrounds?
Thanks.
R/L - SM55's
Center - CS-8060HD
Surrounds - BP2X, or 350's
Sub - SVS PC-12 plus

As a proud owner of the 350s for my left and right, I think I would recommend the bp2x over them for surround since the bipolar design is specifically designed for surround. It's the speakers I plan to get next year to reach a full 5.1 system myself. The SR-8080BP or SR-8040BP would probably be a better match since they are from the same generation of speakers as the rest of your system.
Edited by bjaurelio - 12/19/12 at 6:31am
post #27621 of 30947
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Originally Posted by gtbdevs View Post

Thanks,
I ended up going with the SM55's, and wow, what a difference. So, another question, would the 350's be a better choice to use as my surrounds?, Or, should I just continue using the BP2X as the surrounds?
Thanks.
R/L - SM55's
Center - CS-8060HD
Surrounds - BP2X, or 350's
Sub - SVS PC-12 plus
I have a small room for my system (ab. 13'x11'x7'), so the bipolar surrounds wouldn't have as much room to breathe. I went with the SM 350s for surrounds with my PowerMonitor 700s/CLR2500, and the audio is absolutely seamless for cable TV/Blu-ray/DVD/SACD/gaming (though I REALLY want a sub- my woofage just doesn't go low enough biggrin.gif), just sounds fantastic. Love me DefTechs cool.gif
post #27622 of 30947
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Originally Posted by bjaurelio View Post

As a period owner of the 350s for my left and right, I think I would recommend the bp2x over them for surround since the bipolar design is specifically designed for surround. It's the speakers I plan to get next year to reach a full 5.1 system myself. The SR-8080BP or SR-8040BP would probably be a better match since they are from the same generation of speakers as the rest of your system.


Thanks, will have to check them out. maybe I can find a good deal.
post #27623 of 30947
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Originally Posted by jsnake21 View Post

Hey guys, just wanted to say that I ordered the BP8060 package from Magnolia and went ahead and bought a Yamaha rx-a2010 from Amazon to drive them. This is my first major home theater purchase, everything else to date has been a HTiB setup. Do you guys think I'll have any issues? Is the Yamaha a good choice to pair with this speaker package (enough power, etc.)? I'm looking forward to learning all I can about this and can't wait to get everything set up! Been lurking this thread for about 3 months now...

Wow nice setup. Yamaha should work fine. Just be careful with any room correction. You might want to go it yourself with just a SPL meter and tape measure.
post #27624 of 30947
From my own tests with owning the 8060-st's room correction messes up the sound with bipolar speakers...I would try running them flat and adjust the distance...but like anything its how you like to set them up...be prepared for a lot of fun tweaking...wink.gif

Congrats on the speakers...you will have a lot of fun with them

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post #27625 of 30947
Anyone running the SM65's as mains AND center channel? Currently I have the 65's L/R, Gem XL's as surrounds, and Mythos Ten for the center in the livingroom. The Ten is likely going away to be replaced.

If not another SM65 as center, I'm looking at either the 8060HD or 8080HD but I'd like to chat with anyone else running the SM65's.
post #27626 of 30947
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Originally Posted by Accuphase View Post

Anyone running the SM65's as mains AND center channel? Currently I have the 65's L/R, Gem XL's as surrounds, and Mythos Ten for the center in the livingroom. The Ten is likely going away to be replaced.
If not another SM65 as center, I'm looking at either the 8060HD or 8080HD but I'd like to chat with anyone else running the SM65's.

I'd say your only real choice between those two is the 8080HD because of the matching 5.25" drivers. If DefTech had a center channel option with 5.25" drivers and passive 5" x 10" racetrack, I'd say go with that. The SM65 would probably work fine as a center. It would just look a little strange flipped on its side with the passive radiator firing to the right or left. Another option would be a ProCenter 2000, which has the 1" tweet, two active 5.25" mids, and two 5.25" passive radiators.

How does the Mythos 10 sound with them?

If you need more center than the Mythos 10, then go with the ST 8080HD.
Edited by jevans64 - 12/18/12 at 12:37pm
post #27627 of 30947
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

How does the Mythos 10 sound with them?

Sounds great but looking for alternatives. It's possible that the Mythos Ten will go into the bedroom since it can easily be wall mounted.
post #27628 of 30947
Also looking for any people using a third SM65 as a center channel and if so, is it laying horizontally? Performance?
post #27629 of 30947
Hey guys quick question. I just got a 8060HD center to go with my 8060 towers and my S2 sub. I currently have it set on top of my entertainment console table. THere is a slot (right below where the center speaker is placed right now) where if I take off the plastic moldings on the side of the speaker, it will fit in perfectly.

My question is would it be a bad idea to stick the center speaker in the slot since it is bipolar? It would definitely look a lot nicer in my setup, but how much sound quality would I be giving up? Thanks in advance for any input!

post #27630 of 30947
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Originally Posted by haroon08 View Post

Hey guys quick question. I just got a 8060HD center to go with my 8060 towers and my S2 sub. I currently have it set on top of my entertainment console table. THere is a slot (right below where the center speaker is placed right now) where if I take off the plastic moldings on the side of the speaker, it will fit in perfectly.
My question is would it be a bad idea to stick the center speaker in the slot since it is bipolar? It would definitely look a lot nicer in my setup, but how much sound quality would I be giving up? Thanks in advance for any input!

Your center is not bipolar. Does it have a lf driver on top? If not, I'd say it would be fine to put it in the slot. If it does, it would block the sound coming from the top mounted driver.
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