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post #27631 of 29303
12/19/12 at 8:04am
Finally jumped on a pair of SM350 to upgrade from my Pioneer C21 in my main home theater. So now, the upgrading of center and surrounds are to follow. The question is: are all the DefTech timbre matched or is it series by series match? Thanks for any input!
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post #27632 of 29303
12/19/12 at 9:33am
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Finally jumped on a pair of SM350 to upgrade from my Pioneer C21 in my main home theater. So now, the upgrading of center and surrounds are to follow. The question is: are all the DefTech timbre matched or is it series by series match? Thanks for any input!
Hello Ratified, while there are some differences in power handling and dynamic capability - a ProCenter 600 isn't the right match for a pair of BP 8080 ST - the basic voicing is the same throughout the line. Let us know if you have more specific questions OK? Best, Joe
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post #27633 of 29303
12/19/12 at 9:37am
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Your center is not bipolar. Does it have a lf driver on top? If not, I'd say it would be fine to put it in the slot. If it does, it would block the sound coming from the top mounted driver.
As usual GBart, you are on it! Haroon, It's Ok performance-wise to take the end caps off, but you do have an up-firing subwoofer in that unit, and the performance will be compromised a little bit if you install it inside the cabinet. However, if that compromise keeps you from having to sleep on the couch... do it. Domestic tranquility always trumps center channel performance in my book smile.gif
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post #27634 of 29303
12/19/12 at 9:38am
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Finally jumped on a pair of SM350 to upgrade from my Pioneer C21 in my main home theater. So now, the upgrading of center and surrounds are to follow. The question is: are all the DefTech timbre matched or is it series by series match? Thanks for any input!

Congrats on the upgrade. I have the same speakers and just added a center channel. Surrounds are next year's upgrade. Your best bet is finding a used clr 2002 on craigslist for the center and bp2x for surround since they use the same driver and tweeter.

Someone helped me find my center with a trick of using a website to search all of craigslist. I paid $150 + 35 for shipping. I don't know how much the surrounds are going for these days.
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post #27635 of 29303
12/19/12 at 9:44am
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Also looking for any people using a third SM65 as a center channel and if so, is it laying horizontally? Performance?
Hi Accuphase, the SM 65 works great as a center channel. Laying it on it's side for horizontal placement is fine, although if on a cabinet, it won't perform exactly as if it were vertical on a stand. The tweeter will bounce a little bit of high frequency energy off the cabinet.
Having said that, take a look at the customer reviews we get on our website for the CS 8060 HD and CS 8080 HD. Customers love having the powered sub as it really gives you great depth on dialog. Each is a step-up money wise, but the center channel is the most important speaker in an HT system (and I always acknowleged that in my seminars when I was at Velodyne smile.gif). Best, Joe
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post #27636 of 29303
12/19/12 at 10:45am
Thanks for the replies! How would the Procenter1000 or 2000 match up to the SM350?
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post #27637 of 29303
12/19/12 at 6:33pm
Hi. Sorry about yet another "will this work" questions, but....

I'm thinking of getting BP8's and a Procenter 1000. My TV stand doesn't have space for a large center (23 2/8 wide by 6 1/4 high). I'm worried the BP8s will overwhelm he Procenter 1000. My primary use is TV and movies, but not very loud. I would like a better center so I can hear the voices better (the ones on the TV, not the ones in my head).

Oh, I suppose I could move up to the Mythos seven. How would those sound with the BP8s?

Thanks,

Allan
Edited by AllanMarcus - 12/19/12 at 6:59pm
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post #27638 of 29303
12/19/12 at 7:37pm
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Thanks for the replies! How would the Procenter1000 or 2000 match up to the SM350?


I would get the ProMonitor 2000 to match the drivers in the SM350.
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Originally Posted by AllanMarcus View Post

Hi. Sorry about yet another "will this work" questions, but....
I'm thinking of getting BP8's and a Procenter 1000. My TV stand doesn't have space for a large center (23 2/8 wide by 6 1/4 high). I'm worried the BP8s will overwhelm he Procenter 1000. My primary use is TV and movies, but not very loud. I would like a better center so I can hear the voices better (the ones on the TV, not the ones in my head).
Oh, I suppose I could move up to the Mythos seven. How would those sound with the BP8s?
Thanks,
Allan

Same thing. The ProCenter 2000 would driver-match with the BP8b. The width would be OK but the height is 6.5". Any way you can work with the extra 1/4"?

Again. I would probably driver-match with a Mythos Ten rather than the Mythos Seven.

I'm a believer of getting MORE center than you think you might need and let the receiver attenuate during calibration.
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post #27639 of 29303
12/19/12 at 8:55pm
Unfortunately the size of the slot for the center is fixed. The only options I can see from def tech ate the 1000 or the seven. Since the bp8 is on sale for 200, I was thinking that is a great deal, but if I cannot get a strong center to go with the bp8s, then they might not work for me.

The Mythos ten is too wide, and out of my price range.
Edited by AllanMarcus - 12/19/12 at 9:09pm
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post #27640 of 29303
12/20/12 at 12:14pm
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Unfortunately the size of the slot for the center is fixed. The only options I can see from def tech ate the 1000 or the seven. Since the bp8 is on sale for 200, I was thinking that is a great deal, but if I cannot get a strong center to go with the bp8s, then they might not work for me.
The Mythos ten is too wide, and out of my price range.
Hi Allan, my thought is that you have the same situation as many home theater owners. You have a really nice pair of towers speakers,and your entertainment cabinet restrictions mean you cannot place the ideal center speaker there. But that doesn't mean you should not move forward with either the PC 1000 or the Mythos 7. Either will do a good job as a center channel speaker. Remember that you are going to channel-balance the system in your home theater receiver, so I wouldn't worry too much about your center having smaller drivers than the L&R. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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post #27641 of 29303
12/20/12 at 3:52pm
Thanks Jevans.

I've decided to go with SM series.
SM55s with CS8040 HD or SM65s with CS8040 HD.It seems like SM65s are $200 more than 55s. Is it worth spending $400 more for 65s? I am also planning to have dedicated sub from Hsu.

Thanks,
Vg


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I think DefTech still has the $2000 package deal on the BP8060ST, CS 8040HD, and SR8040BP. The 8060's each have a 150 watt powered sub which would probably be good enough by themselves until you can gather enough scratch for a sub that will dig deeper. You would have to call the dealer you plan on getting these from to see if you can pay the additional $200 for the CS 8060HD upgrade. Only thing I don't like about them is their relatively small mid-range drivers but you'll be matched across the front three with the BP8060 system vs. the SM65/CS 8060HD setup. The difference between the CS 8060HD and CS 8040HD is the 8" active subwoofer vs. the passive 4" x 10" racetrack woofer. You'll need more power to drive the 8040.
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post #27642 of 29303
12/20/12 at 5:32pm
If you're planning on running the speakers on double duty (HT & music), I'd go with the larger 65's simply for the added benefit of a larger sound. Plus you might get second thoughts on "only" getting the 55's - although you could move these to another room or use these as surrounds if you were to upgrade to bigger mains.

The SM65's have a large sound in that the soundstage is very very wide - the sound is much wider than where the speakers are located. Some recordings have a very three dimensional quality. The 55's are probably as capable but I wanted the larger, more full range sound of the 65 since I do listen to a lot of stereo music. First time hearing Morph the Cat on the 65's, I knew I had a winner.

Is it worth the extra $$? I've not listened to the 55's to compare, but I can say that I'm 100% happy with my 65's.
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post #27643 of 29303
12/20/12 at 5:57pm
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If you're planning on running the speakers on double duty (HT & music), I'd go with the larger 65's simply for the added benefit of a larger sound. Plus you might get second thoughts on "only" getting the 55's - although you could move these to another room or use these as surrounds if you were to upgrade to bigger mains.
The SM65's have a large sound in that the soundstage is very very wide - the sound is much wider than where the speakers are located. Some recordings have a very three dimensional quality. The 55's are probably as capable but I wanted the larger, more full range sound of the 65 since I do listen to a lot of stereo music. First time hearing Morph the Cat on the 65's, I knew I had a winner.
Is it worth the extra $$? I've not listened to the 55's to compare, but I can say that I'm 100% happy with my 65's.

That is a reasonable assessment and I'd probably do SM65's instead of SM55's for mains. I have my SM55's mounted in a Front Height position for my 9.x/11.x setup. I also run just the SM55 in Zone 2 stereo if I just want to listen to mp3 or CD without turning on all the other crap. They sound pretty good ( but I'm comparing to BP7000SC @ $5500 a pair ) and have a full sound but a D'Appolito array would certainly work better for mains. I just wanted 6.5" drivers to match everything else I have in the room.
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post #27644 of 29303
12/20/12 at 6:31pm
I've been looking all over the net and have found the Mythos two for under $200. Will this make a good center match for a pair of SM350 or would a procenter1000 be a better choice? Also, is there really any difference betweeen the Mythos two and three besides the glass base? Thanks!!
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post #27645 of 29303
12/20/12 at 6:55pm
Thanks again Jevans64 & Acuphase.

What is the matching center for SM65?
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post #27646 of 29303
12/20/12 at 6:55pm
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I've been looking all over the net and have found the Mythos two for under $200. Will this make a good center match for a pair of SM350 or would a procenter1000 be a better choice? Also, is there really any difference betweeen the Mythos two and three besides the glass base? Thanks!!

The only thing I saw in the manual is that DefTech recommends the Mythos Two be mounted vertically. The cabinet design might be different because of the glass base and not suited for horizontal placement. There is a little " kick stand " on the back of the Three which might not be there on the Two.
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post #27647 of 29303
12/20/12 at 7:02pm
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Thanks again Jevans64 & Acuphase.
What is the matching center for SM65?

I think you could go with any of the top three, 8080HD, 8060HD, or 8040HD. Just depends on how much you want to spend. Anything that is powered in addition to the regular drivers, like 8080 and 8060, will give you more dynamic center. Anything else, like the older CLR 2xxx series, would probably be too bulky. The CLR 3000 is so big and heavy that the only place for it is on the floor pointing up on a short stand.
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post #27648 of 29303
12/20/12 at 10:00pm
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Hi Allan, my thought is that you have the same situation as many home theater owners. You have a really nice pair of towers speakers,and your entertainment cabinet restrictions mean you cannot place the ideal center speaker there. But that doesn't mean you should not move forward with either the PC 1000 or the Mythos 7. Either will do a good job as a center channel speaker. Remember that you are going to channel-balance the system in your home theater receiver, so I wouldn't worry too much about your center having smaller drivers than the L&R. I hope this helps - best, Joe

Thanks Joe. I was worried about the timbre matching between the mythos line, the procenter line and the BP8s. I would love to have a larger center, but space is space. Next time I blow a wad on a stand I'll take a larger center into account.Sounds like I should not worry about timbre matching between any of the Def Techs.

Now I just have to decide between the Def Tech BP8s and the Boston Acoustics RS 344 (on sale at Accessories for less). In either case I would get the matching center, and in both cases the centers aren't on sale :-(
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post #27649 of 29303
12/21/12 at 9:33am
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I've been looking all over the net and have found the Mythos two for under $200. Will this make a good center match for a pair of SM350 or would a procenter1000 be a better choice? Also, is there really any difference betweeen the Mythos two and three besides the glass base? Thanks!!

If you have the space, a used clr 2002 on craigslist use the same driver and tweeter as the sm350. Otherwise, my guess would be that the procenter is a closer match than the mythos.
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post #27650 of 29303
12/21/12 at 10:19am
I'm thinking of purchasing Tekton Pendragon's + the center and selling my Def. Tech. BP 2000's + center. Wondering what the 2000's are worth these days. I'm the original owner and I've had them since 97 (I think).
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post #27651 of 29303
12/21/12 at 4:15pm
I still have my original pair purchased in 96/97 as well😄
As for price, most in my area are listed for $800-$1000. I had my second pair listed for $900 and sold just last weekend for $800. CLR2000s go for $200-$250.

Cheers
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post #27652 of 29303
12/22/12 at 10:50am
Well my Sm 350s arrived today; wasnt looking for them till Monday; and I'm thoroughly pleased!! Who am I kidding, I have a big ol smile on my face!biggrin.gif Loving the metal dome tweeters vs the silk domes in the speakers the DefTechs replaced. Now to finish replacing the rest of the setup. I did finally find a factory refurb CLR 2002 for my center, so thats on its way soon! Considering some BP1X for surrounds. Another question on the surrounds, would it be ok to use them in a 5.1 setup with them mounted straight to the side of the listening position without any room behind the listening position, aka the couch is against the backwall, since they are bipolar? Thanks and Im glad I made the switch to DefTechs! biggrin.gif
Edited by Ratified - 12/22/12 at 11:04am
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post #27653 of 29303
12/22/12 at 1:33pm
They should work fine. I have used BPP1.2X, then BP2X, and now use BPVX in exactly the same situation with great success. I have them mounted abut 4-5 feet higher than the ear level.
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post #27654 of 29303
12/22/12 at 1:35pm
To clarify, mine are mounted on the backwall.
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post #27655 of 29303
12/22/12 at 2:03pm
Mounting on the backwall vs sidewall makes sense; get the direct output and get more surround ambience from the other side pointing away. Ill have to play with both once I get them. Thanks for the input!
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post #27656 of 29303
12/22/12 at 2:22pm
Hello everyone, looks like my driver on my sm 450 is giving out. I wonder if i can get a replacement through their site or if they are still covered by warranty. They are 2 1/2 years old by the way. It seems to be the voice coil since ive had this problem before where certain upper bass triggers some noticeable distortion. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
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post #27657 of 29303
12/22/12 at 2:34pm
Check ebay!! I know I saw some for the 350s on there and the grille socks, so there might be some for the 450s also.
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post #27658 of 29303
12/22/12 at 7:37pm
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I think you could go with any of the top three, 8080HD, 8060HD, or 8040HD. Just depends on how much you want to spend. Anything that is powered in addition to the regular drivers, like 8080 and 8060, will give you more dynamic center. Anything else, like the older CLR 2xxx series, would probably be too bulky. The CLR 3000 is so big and heavy that the only place for it is on the floor pointing up on a short stand.[/quote


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Mounted up top the brackets holding the CLR3000 are bolted to top of entertainmentshelf
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post #27659 of 29303
12/22/12 at 9:23pm
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Well my Sm 350s arrived today; wasnt looking for them till Monday; and I'm thoroughly pleased!! Who am I kidding, I have a big ol smile on my face!biggrin.gif Loving the metal dome tweeters vs the silk domes in the speakers the DefTechs replaced. Now to finish replacing the rest of the setup. I did finally find a factory refurb CLR 2002 for my center, so thats on its way soon! Considering some BP1X for surrounds. Another question on the surrounds, would it be ok to use them in a 5.1 setup with them mounted straight to the side of the listening position without any room behind the listening position, aka the couch is against the backwall, since they are bipolar? Thanks and Im glad I made the switch to DefTechs! biggrin.gif

That was fast, I thought my BP7000SC sounds like crap at first. Took a little while for the drives to open up. A little more volume and my XPA-1's at the time did the trick smile.gif
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post #27660 of 29303
12/22/12 at 9:24pm
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I think you could go with any of the top three, 8080HD, 8060HD, or 8040HD. Just depends on how much you want to spend. Anything that is powered in addition to the regular drivers, like 8080 and 8060, will give you more dynamic center. Anything else, like the older CLR 2xxx series, would probably be too bulky. The CLR 3000 is so big and heavy that the only place for it is on the floor pointing up on a short stand.[/quote
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Mounted up top the brackets holding the CLR3000 are bolted to top of entertainmentshelf

Nice job mounting that center. Must sounds really nice. I rather have my center higher then too low. Is that a Salamander Design entertainment center?
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