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post #27781 of 29330
1/1/13 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by bigrobe60 View Post

I was hoping to get some insight from all of the DefTech owners here, I am looking to change my current setup and sell my B&W CM8 towers and switch to something from DefTech. It would be mostly for theater use, and I am debating between the Mythos ST or the BP700SC's. I can get a pair of new Mythos ST for about $1,200 and a New Pair of BP700SC for $1,600. Any suggestions/ thoughts on the two speakers? I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-57 to drive my system currently.

HT? Probably the BP7000SC at that price. They have a heck of a lower bass bump to them smile.gif
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post #27782 of 29330
1/2/13 at 4:58am
To the poster asking about the SM65 versus the BP-8060's & BP-8080's.....the best thing about the Def Tech towers and, the most often overlooked thing when discussing issues like this, is that the towers produce a huge soundstage and have tons of ambient sounds that immerse you in the movies that you are watching. They do this because of the fact that they are bipolar. This is a huge advantage over the SM65's.
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post #27783 of 29330
1/2/13 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by bigrobe60 View Post

I was hoping to get some insight from all of the DefTech owners here, I am looking to change my current setup and sell my B&W CM8 towers and switch to something from DefTech. It would be mostly for theater use, and I am debating between the Mythos ST or the BP700SC's. I can get a pair of new Mythos ST for about $1,200 and a New Pair of BP700SC for $1,600. Any suggestions/ thoughts on the two speakers? I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-57 to drive my system currently.

Holy cow! Incredible prices. Are those prices quoted per speaker or for the pair? That would even be an incredible deal if they were per speaker. If mostly for Home Theater, it's any easy choice....and for that deal....I would run back and purchase as many BP 7000's as you can afford. You would have a drool worthy home theater. Do you have room to use one for a center channel too?

Please PM me your dealer as I would love to potentially pick up a pair for that price as I would be in a position to round out my BP 7000 system. I currently have them for L/R and SBL/SBR. I have BPVX's for SL/SR but would love to switch them out for another pair of BP7000's. Congrats on this potental upgrage.
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post #27784 of 29330
1/2/13 at 8:28am
My .02 on the towers vs bookshelves is that regardless you will likely need a separate sub anyway. A decent pair of bookshelves should have no problem being crossed over at 80Hz or maybe even 60Hz. At these levels, the sub will not have any localization. Since bookshelves tend to be comparatively less expensive, I fall into the camp that bookshelves plus sub gives the best sound for your money. You can get a better bookshelf from a higher quality line for the same price as a tower from a lower speaker line.

Someone did mention only towers were bipolar. If that's something you want, then towers may be the better option.
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post #27785 of 29330
1/2/13 at 8:02pm
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I was hoping to get some insight from all of the DefTech owners here, I am looking to change my current setup and sell my B&W CM8 towers and switch to something from DefTech. It would be mostly for theater use, and I am debating between the Mythos ST or the BP700SC's. I can get a pair of new Mythos ST for about $1,200 and a New Pair of BP700SC for $1,600. Any suggestions/ thoughts on the two speakers? I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-57 to drive my system currently.

I just dropped 2k on the 8060 with 8040, 8040 system. It's supposed to be here tomm but I would change if I can get a pair of 7000's for 1,600!
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post #27786 of 29330
1/2/13 at 8:03pm
You can get the 7001's on Amazon for 2k a pair
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post #27787 of 29330
1/2/13 at 8:32pm
Hi all,
I've had my def techs for a while now.


CLR 2500 (center)
Mythos One (fronts)
SuperCube II (sub)
Technics SB-L31 (surrounds) - I have these for YEARS (decades even), the best part is they are high enough to act as end tables for my sofa smile.gif
Pioneer Elite VSX-30 (receiver)
Mitsubishi 65" DLP

So... I love it. My problem is, since getting the 65" the TV stand doesn't fit the CLR 2500 (only 5.75" height gap + even if it did, the CLR sub would fire right into the stand). Right now it sits off to the side next to one of the Mythos Ones. I was thinking about trying out the Mythos Three as a center, since it would fit in that space in the TV stand. Thoughts?
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post #27788 of 29330
1/2/13 at 8:36pm
Custom build a stand, it's all about performance!
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post #27789 of 29330
1/2/13 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by TepEvan View Post

So... I love it. My problem is, since getting the 65" the TV stand doesn't fit the CLR 2500 (only 5.75" height gap + even if it did, the CLR sub would fire right into the stand). Right now it sits off to the side next to one of the Mythos Ones. I was thinking about trying out the Mythos Three as a center, since it would fit in that space in the TV stand. Thoughts?

I have the same problem with my Mits TV stand and CLR 3000. I just put mine on the floor in front of the stand and angled it up to point right at my listening position. I just used two 1/4" bolts. Depending on how far away you are from the TV, you will need anywhere from 4" to 5" long bolts. I've been meaning to build an adjustable wood stand for it.
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post #27790 of 29330
1/3/13 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

Holy cow! Incredible prices. Are those prices quoted per speaker or for the pair? That would even be an incredible deal if they were per speaker. If mostly for Home Theater, it's any easy choice....and for that deal....I would run back and purchase as many BP 7000's as you can afford. You would have a drool worthy home theater. Do you have room to use one for a center channel too? .

I agree, I "could" see them being $1600 each, and that would even be the best sale ever for new 7000SCs (or refurb's). Yet $1600/pair new,,, tell us where! :-).

Cheers
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post #27791 of 29330
1/3/13 at 8:42am
So, I need some recommendations so I can start fantasizing/ price checking speakers to add to my set up. I recently purchased the 8060st/8040cs/8040sr package and will need to eventually add to fully utilize my 9.2 channel receiver. My dedicated theater room is about 14' wide x 7.5' high x 13' deep. However, my room is open at the rear and that opens up the bar area of my basement. Right now, I have the surrounds mounted on the walls that run perpendicular to my couch (which is 10 feet from the front wall) so they are on both sides of me, facing each other, about 3 feet behind me and 3 feet above my listening position. In the future, I could either mount some back surrounds from the ceiling area about 5 feet behind the current listening position, or I could move the couch back a little so that the spot where the surrounds are currently mounted would be even with the listening position and then mount some back surrounds about 8 feet back from that. In that case, my room would be about 14'x 20' or so and would be open to the back at about the 13' mark

So what would your guys' recommendations be for my surrounds? Should I keep the 8040sr speakers as the side surrounds or should I use them as back surrounds? What should I be looking for as far as side surrounds if not the 8040's? Would something like the Mythos 2's mounted to the walls work well as a side surround? I can't get too bulky with those speakers because of other obstacles in the room. Also, what about front presence speakers? My original line of thought was just to add SM 45's as front presence and back surround speakers and leave everything else like it is aside from also adding a sub or two. Would this work?

Any and all feedback would be appreciated (Looking at you Joe!). Also, just so you guys know, I'm not planning on buying used, I prefer new products. Thanks!
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post #27792 of 29330
1/3/13 at 9:36am
Jsnake21,
Would another pair of 8060STs fit for side surrounds? :-)

How large is your TV/display? That would be the key item on how far back I would consider moving the viewing location etc. However, depending on the rest of the room, placing your rears on the far back wall might be the best functionally. And side surrounds should be between 90 and 110 degrees from the sweet spot thus you may not have to move the couch back much regardless to achieve a typical 7.1 arrangement.

You also mentioned front "presence" speakers - are you utilizing a Yamaha AVR?

Cheers
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post #27793 of 29330
1/3/13 at 10:38am
Hey KJSMitty,

Unfortunately, no, another pair of 8060's would be too much for the room. I'm going to have to wall mount whatever speakers I get for the side surrounds, which was why I was curious about some of the mythos speakers since those seem thinner and lighter. I have a couch that runs along the left wall as well as an end table on that wall so more floorstanding speakers are kind of out of the question. I don't think mounting the rears on the back wall would work because that back wall is about 20' behind the listening position. I have a wooden beam running along the ceiling about 10' back from the couch that I could use to probably attach a couple of shelves/ mounts for the back surround speakers.

As to your other questions, I currently have a 50" tv, but would like to upgrade to a 55 or 60" depending on if I can get a good price in the next couple of months. I figure that if I can get a 60" I can move the couch back a couple of feet and not be bothered. And, yes, I have an Yamaha a2010 receiver. It supports 9.2 channels as far as I know. Hope this info helps, thanks for responding to my post!
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post #27794 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:19pm
Hello all, I am sorry that I have been away from this forum for a while. CES is next week in Las Vegas, and I'm getting ready for ISE in Amsterdam at the end of the month...smile.gif
Have you guys seen the Sound Cylinder yet? If you own a tablet or other Bluetooth enabled device, and play music and / or movies on it... you'll want one of these. They should begin shipping next month, and it's really cool. http://www.definitivetech.com/products/sound-cylinder. Enjoy - best, Joe
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post #27795 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

To the poster asking about the SM65 versus the BP-8060's & BP-8080's.....the best thing about the Def Tech towers and, the most often overlooked thing when discussing issues like this, is that the towers produce a huge soundstage and have tons of ambient sounds that immerse you in the movies that you are watching. They do this because of the fact that they are bipolar. This is a huge advantage over the SM65's.
I agree completely Marty smile.gif It's easy to look for a little too long at the frequency response specs, and get mesmerized by them. 10 years ago I bought a $2,000 pair of bookshelves on stands from a really well respected company, and paired it with a great subwoofer. It sounded wonderful. I was stunned a year later, when I bought a $3,500 pair of floor-standing speakers from the same company to replace my bookshelves. Drums and other mid-bass instruments, and even vocals, sounded SO much better.
That's completely apart from the bipolar benefits you are describing! Best, Joe
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post #27796 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

I have the same problem with my Mits TV stand and CLR 3000. I just put mine on the floor in front of the stand and angled it up to point right at my listening position. I just used two 1/4" bolts. Depending on how far away you are from the TV, you will need anywhere from 4" to 5" long bolts. I've been meaning to build an adjustable wood stand for it.

I may be getting a CLR3000. Is this center channel down firing? I am putting my tv on the wall and was planning of putting the CLR on top of the AV cabinet below
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post #27797 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by jsnake21 View Post

Hey KJSMitty,
Unfortunately, no, another pair of 8060's would be too much for the room.

OK, So how about a pair of 8080STs... Just kidding.

I would go for a pair of SR8080s for sides and then move the 8040s to upper/rear duty.

The 2010 is a nice AVR. I'm a Yamaha guy as well yet have a tad older model. I actually use the older BP2X Definitives for my four presence speakers. You could always go for two pairs of SR8080s for side and rears and use your SR8040s for front presence. I tried both small direct radiating and the BP2Xs with a prior Yamaha DSP-A1 and preferred the bipolar sound with the Yamaha presence channels. Might be worth trying if you free up your 8040s etc.

Nice system,

Cheers
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post #27798 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

If you are married, you probably don't have the flexibility, but 12' away is a LONG way away from a normal sized HDTV. Of course the difference between a media room and a living room is that the living room is designed primarily for LIVING while the media room is designed primarily for media viewing/listening. It is all a balancing act between screen size, speaker placement, and seating distance - and unless you have a dedicated room it is next to impossible to get it all 'right'. In my media room, everything is pretty close to 'right' as I can make it (but still needs more work). In my living room, it is all wrong, but I do the best I can with what I have to work around (including the wife's input).
And yes, wrong with good speakers is preferable to wrong with lousy speakers.
Bartman, truer words were never spoken. In my experience, 90% or more of listening environments that are not dedicated theaters are "wrong" somehow! But the better your equipment is, the better the overall sound and picture will be despite the inevitable compromises that come with having a liveable space. Best, Joe
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post #27799 of 29330
1/3/13 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I have been reading and reviewing myself to death for weeks. I pulled the trigger and bought the 8060 towers, 8040 center, 8040 surrounds. They are in transit to my local store I get from. In a few weeks I will add a HSU VTF-15H subwoofer. I also bought a pair of Pro Monitor 1000's for my from high, or rear surround on my 6-7 assignable channels. I got those off Audiogan.
Enjoy them JLP. Sorry that you had to grind through some weeks of reading all the reviews, etc... but you'll love the speakers. Best, Joe
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post #27800 of 29330
1/3/13 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by grinny View Post

Low-profile speaker mounting options?
Hello,
I hope this is the correct board for such a question, if not please let me know.
I've got the ProCinema 600 System and I'm deciding how to mount the front L/R speakers. I have a media console base with a media panel which I've mounted an LED TV to (like this: http://www.ethanallen.com/product?productId=6291&categoryId=8022 ).
I have the ProMount 90, and if the speakers are mounted on the front surface of the media panel then the speakers stick out much farther than the TV and it doesn't look good, because the LED is so thin. The alternative is to mount the speakers on the side surfaces of the media panel (it is about 3" thick), and bend them 90 degrees so they face the correct way, which makes them more or less flush with the TV, although it will make the media panel look like it has "ears"!
The only other alternative I can think of is to drill a 4" bolt from the back of the media panel all the way through, and mount the speaker directly onto this bolt. It would not be articulating like the ProMount 90, but would be flush and a clean look. I'm leaning toward this, unless there is something wrong with this idea that I am overlooking.
Thanks for any suggestions.

If anybody else is still interested: in my previous post I considered a bolt all they way through the media panel and attaching it to the speaker's threaded mount. Well, another option occurred to me to get a low profile for the speakers: just use the keyhole slots built into the top of the back of the speakers! D'oh! The speaker manual says to use a toggle bolt or other similar very well anchored fastener in the wall, but as the media panel is solid wood I think I can just hang them on a 2.5" screw.

I guess the sound could be better with the ProMount though, as getting the speakers a couple inches from the wall and being able to tilt them should help. The final verdict will be up to the wife! smile.gif
Edited by grinny - 1/3/13 at 3:15pm
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post #27801 of 29330
1/3/13 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

It might be the same size driver, but it's not the same driver. The new drivers have the larger phase plugs. I'll take the SQ as well smile.gif After more listening the other day, I did notice that the BP8060's are a little more forward in the mid- lower mids then the SM45. Both sounded great, so I guess it's down to preference. I'd love to compair the SM45, SM55, and SM65 all on stands cool.gif I'd love to compare the BP8080 to the BP8060's again too since I don't think something was right the first time I've heard the BP8080's.
Joe, do yo have any thoughts on the difference in sound between the BP8060's and the BP8080's?
Hello Tru, yes, both the BP8060 and BP 8080 ST's sound great. But in the BP 8080 you have a) more cabinet space; b) 12" subwoofer and both bass radiators, vs a 10" sub and bass radiators; c) 5 1/4" drivers rather than 4 1/2", d) better amp technology etc. The sonic differences are not only in better bass, but also better mid-range reproduction. Voices, especially male voices, have more bass content than you'd think smile.gif
Of course the BP 8080 is also more money and physically larger, so you have to weigh those factors. If the last customer in the store turned the bass dial up way too high or low... that can throw the whole comparison off as well. I hope this helps! Best, Joe
Edited by joeatdefinitive - 1/4/13 at 6:54am
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post #27802 of 29330
1/3/13 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

To me, the advantage of having the sub built-in the speaker isn't necessarily not needing an external stand -alone sub (I personally prefer a separate sub or two for the heavy lifting down low). Having the built in sub gives the capability of being (nearly) full range speakers. Having full range speakers times 5 or 7 in a home theater is a huge advantage. Then a stand-alone sub becomes truly specific to the LFE channel. I choose to cross my full range towers at 40 or 60 so that they are almost full range, but my stand alone subs are handling the LFE plus the very, very bottom octaves. A bookshelf speaker is DEPENDENT on a stand alone sub and is "tuned" to go only so low with it's passive radiator. Push a bookshelf too hard (War of the Worlds pod scene for example) and it will distort or simply be unable to play the notes. Crossing a bookshelf becomes a necessity and if you have to cross too high then it becomes harder to blend with a stand alone sub. Localization and a handful of blending issues can occur. A full range tower does not theoretically need to be crossed to a stand alone sub ---but I choose to. Now if I choose to cross at 60 for example, 60 is not a hard full stop. The speaker may still receive some spill over lower than 60 and I know it is capable of handling it since it is full range. Also with Definitive towers, there is no experimentation with figuring out the ideal crossover point as you would with monitors, because definitive has already figured this out for you and the towers built-in crossovers decide what the active sub portion should receive. Since I cross my towers so low, blending is a snap (but room characteristics are a different story for a different thread). Room characteristics play a much larger role blending a sub with monitors than it does with blending a sub with full range towers.
Also having full range towers gives a little flexibility. If I am critically listening to 2 channel music, I can choose to listen "direct" and take the coloration of my stand-alone subs out of the picture and know that I am still hearing full-range music and the speaker is deciding what info the internal subs do/don't receive. If I want to have a bit more fun, then I can add in the external subs to beef things up a bit more down low. As pointed out earlier in the thread, there are some limitations on how much air a built-in tower sub can move. It may be "full range" but may not have the "impact" that some desire. This is another reason I choose to have external subs.
I would think the 8060 has a bigger cabinet volume than the Studio 65 ----may require a call to Chet or Adam at DefTech. Even if it does have a smaller cabinet, it still has an active woofer to compensate for any shortcomings.
I certainly don't mean or want to ruffle any feathers out there. I LOVE definitive and am truly a fanboy. I have been through Mythos ST's, Mythos 4's, Mythos 10, 2 SC References, BPX, BPVX, BP7000's, 8080HD etc in some combinations along the way. I am a nut. There are others with "upgraditis" much worse than mine on this thread. And they have far more experience and knowldege than me. I am simply sharing my opinions. I hope Joe bails me out here as I think I am certainly upsetting a few folks here. Sorry. There is a reason Definitive offers so many choices......because everyone's ears are a bit different.
I would certainly be more than happy using/owning the Studio Monitor series for critical 2 channel listening in a den or as wides or heights in a medium/large home theater situation or as mains in a moderate/small theater. I simply prefer the towers for most applications as it is simply my preference as I feel they are much more capable (full range) and given the price and capabilities, present a better value ---especially for home theater or a mixed use situation.

As I mentioned before, much depends on budget, wife, room size and limitations, neighbors, and speaker preference (bipolar vs direct), etc.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE ON THE THREAD! BE SAFE
I WILL BE HAVING A GLASS (OR BOTTLE) OF LIBATION IN DURING A NICE BLURAY WITH THE FAMILY AND A LITTLE HALO 4 OR FIONA APPLE AFTER
ENJOY!smile.gifcool.gif
Hello Yosh, I don't need to bail you out - you did a nice job of explaining some complicated topics! I will touch on a few aspects: 1. Some of this stuff truly is personal choice. Customers who hear our speakers and want deeper, better bass, and so desire to add a sub (or subs), are not wrong...no more than are other customers who hear a pair of BP 8060's and think "heck, these are great, and have all the bass I'd ever want". 2. Room size plays into that, too. A pair of SM 55's cannot fill a huge basement with bass in the same way that they can fill a dorm room. 3. A powered tower, rather than a passive tower, makes sense for a lot of reasons. Bass reproduction demands power - period. If we enjoy, let's say, a pair of SM 55, but we want the bass to be better, we can certainly just build a larger, passive speaker, use bigger drivers, tune the cabinet lower, etc. But that CAPACITY for reproducing better, deeper bass will only be realized if we also supply enough power, and bass is notoriously power-hungry. Roughly 50% of a receiver's power is sucked up by bass notes in systems with no powered tower or powered subwoofer. So, adding a capable amp in a powered tower is an efficient way to get better, deeper bass out of that tower. It will do a better job of mating up with a mid-priced receiver than a similar passive speaker with that receiver. If you can afford awesome separates, the power story is not as applicable - but you still get better headroom from that combination, simply because the separates don't have to supply the juice to play 20 - 30 Hz notes. As Yosh points out, our engineers can match up the driver / woofer crossover points so that they blend really well in a powered tower. Ok... that's enough for now. As many of you know, this stuff can fill a couple of chapters in a book on acoustics smile.gif I hope this helps - Best, Joe
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post #27803 of 29330
1/3/13 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by BentZero View Post

Hey guys. When I first started my research for my HT upgrade I was interested in DefTech after hearing my friend's Sm45 speakers. I want towers though and noticed that the towers are bi-pole. How do you work around this when dealing with room treatments? I had planned on putting acoustic panels behind my towers to avoid reflection. seems like this would be a bad idea with bi-polar speakers. Thoughts?
Hi Bent, I am no acoustician, but I did sit in on the THX courses - which I thought were really well taught. If early reflections are the concern in your room (and I don't know what issues your room has), the place where rooms often get some real benefit from acoustic treatment is up high along the front and side walls. I am not sure that acoustically treating the walls immediately behind the speakers is necessarily optimal even with a standard front-radiating speaker like a Mythos ST or STS. Our current bipolar speakers radiate 6dB less information from the rear than they do from the front, for the simple reason that a ton of research indicated strongly that clarity - especially in the midrange - improves quite a bit with slightly less reflected sound than with the exact same amout of reflected vs direct (front-radiated) sound. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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post #27804 of 29330
1/3/13 at 4:00pm
BTW - I know there is a lot of trading back and forth on the benefits of our newer bipolar towers vs the older ones. To dig deeper on this topic, check out this white paper http://www.definitivetech.com/downloads/Bipolar%20White%20Paper_newLogo_2012%20web.pdf. Best, Joe
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post #27805 of 29330
1/3/13 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

BTW - I know there is a lot of trading back and forth on the benefits of our newer bipolar towers vs the older ones. To dig deeper on this topic, check out this white paper http://www.definitivetech.com/downloads/Bipolar%20White%20Paper_newLogo_2012%20web.pdf. Best, Joe
I enjoyed the white paper Joe...thx...was a good read and I liked the measurements.
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post #27806 of 29330
1/3/13 at 5:04pm
Well my bp8b speakers will arrive tomorrow, could not pass up on a great deal I got. These will be my first bipolar speakers and i've never listened to them before so I'm taking a chance simply by the awesome reviews that I hear here and from customer reviews. These are replacing my sm450s. Not sure how different the sound will be bit hoping its at least a little fuller. Not sure how far back from the wall to place but I'm guessing at least 8-10 inches from the back wall? Also I have bpx as side surrounds, and a pro center 2000 as well as a pb-10 sub. Im thinking of either using the sm450 for rear surrounds and a pair of bp1.2 that I have for front height. Lots of experimenting to do this weekend.
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post #27807 of 29330
1/3/13 at 6:13pm
Hello again fellow DT owners. It's been awhile since I visited so it's nice to see some of the older members still posting and giving out helpful information. I thought I achieved a setup that would cure my upgraditis for speakers but it seems like I decided it's time to visit my favorite therapy spot here at AVS. My CLR200, BP30s and side surround CLR200s with dual SuperCube IIs is still great but I've been itching for better towers the past 2 months. I had planned on buying another set of BP30s as my side surrounds to replace the CLR2000s but with my old furniture I couldn't fit it well. After replacing some furniture now I have the room so I figured I could move the existing BP30s to side duty and buy a pair of BP7001s from Amazon. The cost seems good, at $2000 shipped... although I would also love to find out from that member who said he could get a pair of BP7000s for $1600. I toyed with the idea of buying a pair of GoldenEar Tech Triton towers since I really enjoyed the demo I had with Sandy at CES 2011. They were amazing speakers but I think I should stick with the BP7001s since they are cheaper, bipolar and have matching drivers to all my other speakers in the room.

Anyhow... I was hoping to get some opinions from owners who have gone from unpowered sub-less towers to the powered ones. I'm still planning on keeping the SuperCube IIs although in a perfect world, I'd ditch those and get a HSU VTF15H.

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Originally Posted by rollie83 View Post

Well my bp8b speakers will arrive tomorrow, could not pass up on a great deal I got. These will be my first bipolar speakers and i've never listened to them before so I'm taking a chance simply by the awesome reviews that I hear here and from customer reviews. These are replacing my sm450s. Not sure how different the sound will be bit hoping its at least a little fuller. Not sure how far back from the wall to place but I'm guessing at least 8-10 inches from the back wall? Also I have bpx as side surrounds, and a pro center 2000 as well as a pb-10 sub. Im thinking of either using the sm450 for rear surrounds and a pair of bp1.2 that I have for front height. Lots of experimenting to do this weekend.

I've never trued the BP8s but they should be fuller sounding than your SM450s. I am not a big fan of the older SM series (no experience with new ones) but none of them sounded very full to me. They were merely good speakers and for the price I felt there were better ones out there unless they were bought at a discounted price. Passive radiators are nice, but in my opinion, nothing beats out having more space to move air inside a cabinet.
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post #27808 of 29330
1/3/13 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hello Yosh, I don't need to bail you out - you did a nice job of explaining some complicated topics! I will touch on a few aspects: 1. Some of this stuff truly is personal choice. Customers who hear our speakers and want deeper, better bass, and so desire to add a sub (or subs), are not wrong...no more than are other customers who hear a pair of BP 8060's and think "heck, these are great, and have all the bass I'd ever want". 2. Room size plays into that, too. A pair of SM 55's cannot fill a huge basement with bass in the same way that they can fill a dorm room. 3. A powered tower, rather than a passive tower, makes sense for a lot of reasons. Bass reproduction demands power - period. If we enjoy, let's say, a pair of SM 55, but we want the bass to be better, we can certainly just build a larger, passive speaker, use bigger drivers, tune the cabinet lower, etc. But that CAPACITY for reproducing better, deeper bass will only be realized if we also supply enough power, and bass is notoriously power-hungry. Roughly 50% of a receiver's power is sucked up by bass notes in systems with no powered tower or powered subwoofer. So, adding a capable amp in a powered tower is an efficient way to get better, deeper bass out of that tower. It will do a better job of mating up with a mid-priced receiver than a similar passive speaker with that receiver. If you can afford awesome separates, the power story is not as applicable - but you still get better headroom from that combination, simply because the separates don't have to supply the juice to play 20 - 30 Hz notes. As Yosh points out, our engineers can match up the driver / woofer crossover points so that they blend really well in a powered tower. Ok... that's enough for now. As many of you know, this stuff can fill a couple of chapters in a book on acoustics smile.gif I hope this helps - Best, Joe

Joe:

I have been considering replacing my BPVX surrounds with BP7000's for a long time. I currently have them for L/R and SBL/SBR and I figure I might as well go for a couple of more. How much time do we have before the BP7000 life cycle is up? Do I have a bit more time to raise a bit of cash or do I need to act soon? I really would like to have them new. Thanks!
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post #27809 of 29330
1/3/13 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Hello again fellow DT owners. It's been awhile since I visited so it's nice to see some of the older members still posting and giving out helpful information. I thought I achieved a setup that would cure my upgraditis for speakers but it seems like I decided it's time to visit my favorite therapy spot here at AVS. My CLR200, BP30s and side surround CLR200s with dual SuperCube IIs is still great but I've been itching for better towers the past 2 months. I had planned on buying another set of BP30s as my side surrounds to replace the CLR2000s but with my old furniture I couldn't fit it well. After replacing some furniture now I have the room so I figured I could move the existing BP30s to side duty and buy a pair of BP7001s from Amazon. The cost seems good, at $2000 shipped... although I would also love to find out from that member who said he could get a pair of BP7000s for $1600. I toyed with the idea of buying a pair of GoldenEar Tech Triton towers since I really enjoyed the demo I had with Sandy at CES 2011. They were amazing speakers but I think I should stick with the BP7001s since they are cheaper, bipolar and have matching drivers to all my other speakers in the room.
Anyhow... I was hoping to get some opinions from owners who have gone from unpowered sub-less towers to the powered ones. I'm still planning on keeping the SuperCube IIs although in a perfect world, I'd ditch those and get a HSU VTF15H.

I went from BP30's to BP2000's in the front. It only cost me about $100 after I sold my old surrounds so it was worth it, but there wasn't much difference. Spend that $2000 on subs... the HSU would be fine but there are many good options over a SCII that you can find for that money.
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1/3/13 at 7:08pm
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I may be getting a CLR3000. Is this center channel down firing? I am putting my tv on the wall and was planning of putting the CLR on top of the AV cabinet below

The built-in sub fires up. There are two 1/4" screw inserts towards the front of the speaker and one 1/4" screw insert in the back. Shouldn't be a problem angling the speaker down provided you have something that can hold it in place up front. something as simple as a couple of "L" brackets fixed to your A/V cabinet could be used to keep it from sliding forward. I noticed my inserts are kind-of loose now since I've been moving it around, so some sort of little stand might support it better than a single bolt.
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