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post #27811 of 30941
Hello all. I recently set up my first home theater, while not the greatest I'm still extremely pleased w/ my first budget system. It's a Denon AVR1312 with Def Tech ProCinema 60.6 speakers.
I have it wired option 1 style (front speakers to sub) but with this option I'm not sure what to set the crossover frequencies to on the denon receiver. Any and all advice appreciated!
post #27812 of 30941
I finally received ALL my new speakers, BP-8060ST, CS-8040HD, and SR-8040BP's.
I have not had enough time to dial this setup in yet, but, they sound GOOD!!!
They may even surpass my fond memories of my old Dahlquist DQ-10's from the 80's...

Now, If I can get my wife to go shopping this weekend....
post #27813 of 30941
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Originally Posted by ceh383 View Post

I finally received ALL my new speakers, BP-8060ST, CS-8040HD, and SR-8040BP's.
I have not had enough time to dial this setup in yet, but, they sound GOOD!!!
They may even surpass my fond memories of my old Dahlquist DQ-10's from the 80's...
Now, If I can get my wife to go shopping this weekend....

Congrats and enjoy! You have to "get your wife to go shopping"? Shouldn't be too difficult.
post #27814 of 30941
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Originally Posted by SYKOgirl85 View Post

...It's a Denon AVR1312...

Check here:
http://batpigworld.com/wp/

All things you need to get your Denon set up correctly.
post #27815 of 30941
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

Congrats and enjoy! You have to "get your wife to go shopping"? Shouldn't be too difficult.

My wife's not typical, she doesn't like shopping....It's going to be expensive....LOL
post #27816 of 30941
Curious why are you moving from the cm8's to a def tech setup?
post #27817 of 30941
I've had my eye on the 8060 towers for a while now. Don't see too many sales with them so I'm wondering if I should just buy them now since I would get the 8040 center and surrounds for free. Does anyone know if there is maybe a new line coming out and that's why their doing a package deal. I haven't been around long enough to know what the life of a speaker line is for def tech but with electronics it seems like the line being discontinued is cheaper due to a new product coming out. I think I would be happy with them but knowing my luck I would buy them right before a huge price drop or a new line comes out. Does anyone know if that is the case here?
post #27818 of 30941
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Originally Posted by SYKOgirl85 View Post

Hello all. I recently set up my first home theater, while not the greatest I'm still extremely pleased w/ my first budget system. It's a Denon AVR1312 with Def Tech ProCinema 60.6 speakers.
I have it wired option 1 style (front speakers to sub) but with this option I'm not sure what to set the crossover frequencies to on the denon receiver. Any and all advice appreciated!

Try setting the Denon to 60Hz and see how that sounds. I bet those satellite speakers won't go below 60 Hz anyway. I'd also try setting the LFE to " LFE + Main " if you have that option in Speaker Setup.
post #27819 of 30941
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Originally Posted by mendezm9 View Post

I've had my eye on the 8060 towers for a while now. Don't see too many sales with them so I'm wondering if I should just buy them now since I would get the 8040 center and surrounds for free. Does anyone know if there is maybe a new line coming out and that's why their doing a package deal. I haven't been around long enough to know what the life of a speaker line is for def tech but with electronics it seems like the line being discontinued is cheaper due to a new product coming out. I think I would be happy with them but knowing my luck I would buy them right before a huge price drop or a new line comes out. Does anyone know if that is the case here?
Hello Mendez, no, the BP 8060 ST isn't slated for replacement anytime soon. We've learned that fall sales promotions work, but since we don't want to give away the store, we have to figure out a way to make things win/win. We simply guessed wrong on the number of BP 8060's to build this year, and we were over-inventoried on them.
So we picked them for the promotion. It worked so well that we ran out of them, and had to build more! If you have been thinking about getting them for a while... NOW's the time to pull the trigger. That's a great deal. Best, Joe
post #27820 of 30941
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Originally Posted by rollie83 View Post

Well my bp8b speakers will arrive tomorrow, could not pass up on a great deal I got. These will be my first bipolar speakers and i've never listened to them before so I'm taking a chance simply by the awesome reviews that I hear here and from customer reviews. These are replacing my sm450s. Not sure how different the sound will be bit hoping its at least a little fuller. Not sure how far back from the wall to place but I'm guessing at least 8-10 inches from the back wall? Also I have bpx as side surrounds, and a pro center 2000 as well as a pb-10 sub. Im thinking of either using the sm450 for rear surrounds and a pair of bp1.2 that I have for front height. Lots of experimenting to do this weekend.
Hey Rollie, you are right - experimentation is the key! Yes, start with the BP 8's about 8 - 12 inches from the wall, and experiment from there. Most home loudspeakers actually sound their best about 1/3rd of the way into the room, but no one ever does that, because it's ridiculous from a logistics standpoint. Somewhere in between 6 and 24 inches out you're likely to find the sweet spot between great sound and an acceptable look. Let us know how it goes - best, Joe
post #27821 of 30941
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

Try setting the Denon to 60Hz and see how that sounds. I bet those satellite speakers won't go below 60 Hz anyway. I'd also try setting the LFE to " LFE + Main " if you have that option in Speaker Setup.
Hello Jevans and SYKO,
Jevans is right to say that the 60's satellites can only go so low. You may want to try it even a little higher - let's say 80 or 100 Hz. In general, the less expensive and / or bass-capable a main speaker is, the more you want to try to have the sub or subs handle a greater part of the range, so you move the crossover point up. Let us know what sounds best to you, OK? Best, Joe
post #27822 of 30941
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hey Rollie, you are right - experimentation is the key! Yes, start with the BP 8's about 8 - 12 inches from the wall, and experiment from there. Most home loudspeakers actually sound their best about 1/3rd of the way into the room, but no one ever does that, because it's ridiculous from a logistics standpoint. Somewhere in between 6 and 24 inches out you're likely to find the sweet spot between great sound and an acceptable look. Let us know how it goes - best, Joe

I actually have my BP7000s about 3 feet from the back wall! I just kept inching them out and with every inch the soundstage and imaging improved! (It's a big room - maybe 20 feet long, but I probably only sit 7 feet away from them or so)
post #27823 of 30941
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hello Jevans and SYKO,
Jevans is right to say that the 60's satellites can only go so low. You may want to try it even a little higher - let's say 80 or 100 Hz. In general, the less expensive and / or bass-capable a main speaker is, the more you want to try to have the sub or subs handle a greater part of the range, so you move the crossover point up. Let us know what sounds best to you, OK? Best, Joe

Thanks to everyone that responded!
It was the fact that the speakers were wired to the sub instead of the receiver itself that caused my uncertainty. I "assumed" that since Def Tech recommended wiring the front speakers to the sub that the sub would have a built in crossover itself that would allow the correct/proper frequencies to be delivered to the front speakers without harming them. I just wanted to make sure the full bass signal was making it to the sub from the receiver. Theoretically, if they were set to 60Hz on the Denon the full audio bandwidth would arrive at the sub, then the crossover built into the sub would filter out 120Hz down to 60Hz to the sub, and 120Hz up (since that's where I have the crossover set on the back of the sub) would go to the front left and right speakers. Then again that's theoretical, being an computer/electrical engineer that's kinda how my mind works unless I take things apart and that is NOT something I'm willing to do while under warranty lol.
The burn in period from what I've read on these forums is crucial, so I didn't want to push these speakers too hard, nor assume too much in the internal workings of the sub. I'll also check out that website BartMan01 posted.


I do have the sub set to LFE + Main bc IMO it sounded the best and made the most sense lol.

Thanks again for all the input!!
post #27824 of 30941
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

Try setting the Denon to 60Hz and see how that sounds. I bet those satellite speakers won't go below 60 Hz anyway. I'd also try setting the LFE to " LFE + Main " if you have that option in Speaker Setup.

I agree with the 60Hz starting point - but rule of thumb here is after Audessey does it's thing you should never lower the crossover points, just raise them. If you end up with 40 for the front and 60 for the surrounds, go ahead and bump them all to 60 - but if you end up with 80 on some speakers don't lower that to 60, leave it at 80.

As to the LFE + Main - on the Denon that will either cause 'double bass' or have no effect depending on speaker size settings.

Really spend some time on that 'batpig' site I linked to and read the setup tips/instructions. He is the resident Denon 'expert' on this forum.
post #27825 of 30941
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

I agree with the 60Hz starting point - but rule of thumb here is after Audessey does it's thing you should never lower the crossover points, just raise them. If you end up with 40 for the front and 60 for the surrounds, go ahead and bump them all to 60 - but if you end up with 80 on some speakers don't lower that to 60, leave it at 80.
As to the LFE + Main - on the Denon that will either cause 'double bass' or have no effect depending on speaker size settings.
Really spend some time on that 'batpig' site I linked to and read the setup tips/instructions. He is the resident Denon 'expert' on this forum.

My Denon (1312) is not equipped with Audessey. I have been reading through it. I have the rear speakers at 120Hz and the center at 120 as well.
post #27826 of 30941
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Originally Posted by TepEvan View Post

Hi all,
I've had my def techs for a while now.
CLR 2500 (center)
Mythos One (fronts)
SuperCube II (sub)
Technics SB-L31 (surrounds) - I have these for YEARS (decades even), the best part is they are high enough to act as end tables for my sofa smile.gif
Pioneer Elite VSX-30 (receiver)
Mitsubishi 65" DLP
So... I love it. My problem is, since getting the 65" the TV stand doesn't fit the CLR 2500 (only 5.75" height gap + even if it did, the CLR sub would fire right into the stand). Right now it sits off to the side next to one of the Mythos Ones. I was thinking about trying out the Mythos Three as a center, since it would fit in that space in the TV stand. Thoughts?
Building a custom stand isn't really an option and neither is putting the CLR 2500 in front of the the stand pointing up. Is it a downgrade to use the Mythos Three instead of the CLR 2500 (other than the built in sub of the 2500)?
post #27827 of 30941
Hey all,

How good are the BP7006 amped floorstanding speakers? They get great reviews, and the price is right (50% off list). Just interested in any thoughts.

Also -- will they match well with a Mythos 3 as a center channel? The matching center for 7006's is a bit steep on the price side.

Thanks!
post #27828 of 30941
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

guys what do u run the impedance setting in your recievers? i have 2 bp6's, clr2002 and bp2x's, i have mine set to 6ohm, i mean thats what it was set to by default in my onkyo receiver, is that the correct setting for my definitive speakers?

I've always used the 8 ohm setting on all receivers with my DTs over the years.
post #27829 of 30941
So my bp8b speakers arrived. . . Wow!!! Haven't even calibrated them and just hooked them up to my Yamaha aventage 3000 and they sound amazing. The mid bass on these is awesome. Just very full sounding. I have them about 10 inches away from the back wall but I still have lots to expirement with. So far, my impressions with bipolar are outstanding!
post #27830 of 30941
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

whats the difference between 6 and 8 ohm?

About 2 ohms... :-)

Actually it's more technical and involves the fact that a unit of electrical resistance is an "ohm". Impedance is resistance thus a speaker having an impedance rating of 6 ohms has less electrical current resistance than an 8 ohm speaker etc.

Bottom line, I would set your receiver to 8 ohms.
Depending on the receiver and I don't claim to know anything about yours, lowering the impedance can effect performance (negatively). Sure the specs will lead you to believe it will produce more power at 6 vs 8 ohms, yet if you have 8 ohm speakers you're not gaining anything. The 6 ohm position could very well be placing extra protection measures within your AVR that only result in "less amp performance" when there is no reason to have the 6 ohm protection etc.

Cheers
post #27831 of 30941
My onkyo 3008 has either 4 ohm or 6 ohm ?
Anyone ?
post #27832 of 30941
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

About 2 ohms... :-)
Actually it's more technical and involves the fact that a unit of electrical resistance is an "ohm". Impedance is resistance thus a speaker having an impedance rating of 6 ohms has less electrical current resistance than an 8 ohm speaker etc.
Bottom line, I would set your receiver to 8 ohms.
Depending on the receiver and I don't claim to know anything about yours, lowering the impedance can effect performance (negatively). Sure the specs will lead you to believe it will produce more power at 6 vs 8 ohms, yet if you have 8 ohm speakers you're not gaining anything. The 6 ohm position could very well be placing extra protection measures within your AVR that only result in "less amp performance" when there is no reason to have the 6 ohm protection etc.
Cheers

yea but i dont understand, so is having it set to 6ohms on my receiver, does it mean that my speakers are not getting full power to them because the receiver is applying resistance for protection? will there by an audible difference if i change the setting on my reciever to 8ohms?

like i said i have bp6's, clr 2002 and bp2x's.
Edited by lamonsasa - 1/5/13 at 8:28am
post #27833 of 30941
Well I was expecting my 8060 package thursday and it still didn't come friday. Was looking forward to the weekend to play. Patience young Padowan!
post #27834 of 30941
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hey Rollie, you are right - experimentation is the key! Yes, start with the BP 8's about 8 - 12 inches from the wall, and experiment from there. Most home loudspeakers actually sound their best about 1/3rd of the way into the room, but no one ever does that, because it's ridiculous from a logistics standpoint. Somewhere in between 6 and 24 inches out you're likely to find the sweet spot between great sound and an acceptable look. Let us know how it goes - best, Joe
I'm also waiting for a BP8060 bundle and was wondering about toe in. My speakers will be about 7.5 feet apart(center to center) and 12 to 14 in from the rear wall. My seating distance is 9 ft from each speaker. A review I read stated that aiming the speakers 2 ft away from each shoulder was a good compromise of imaging and soundstage. Do you have any comments or recommendations for toe in.
post #27835 of 30941
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I was expecting my 8060 package thursday and it still didn't come friday. Was looking forward to the weekend to play. Patience young Padowan!
I'm expecting my 8060 package next week. I was told by Def Tech that a dock strike in LA stalled delivery on the very popular bundle. A rep at World Wide Stereo the Amazon dealer I ordered from told me, after many communications, they should arrive on Jan 11th or 12th. I ordered them on Dec 21st a X-mas gift from my wife, still waiting!
post #27836 of 30941
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

yea but i dont understand, so is having it set to 6ohms on my receiver, does it mean that my speakers are not getting full power to them because the receiver is applying resistance for protection? will there by an audible difference if i change the setting on my reciever to 8ohms?
like i said i have bp6's, clr 2002 and bp2x's.

- Your speakers are 8 ohm speakers (average of 8 ohm - IE, aspeaker could peak from 2-30 ohms etc)
- As for an audible difference it's hard to say. An actual pair of 6 ohm speakers has less resistance thus can flow power more easily. Setting your AVR to 6 ohms basically causes it to raise the watts yet lower the amps to avoid the amp from flowing to easily and overheating or burning up circuits etc. In most AVRs it's a protection mode with what you would call a zero sum gain. Your rated watts per channel may be higher yet the lower amperage use results in the power to speaker (sound) dynamics to be equal. With your 8 ohm speakers you could very well be limiting the low frequency response/performance utilizing the 6 ohm setting. Will you hear it, maybe, maybe not..

Bottom line, because your AVR is say rated at 100 watts at 8 ohms yet 125 watts at 6 ohms, it by no means should have you selecting 6 ohm settings even though utilizing 8 ohm speakers. You are gaining nothing, rather likely hurting the performance.

Seriously, im no expert but have been around electronics a bit and even built my own amps to understand enough to be confussing... :-)

Do a bit of "Google'ing". You will also find out that given today's AVRs, many will tell you to leave it set to 8 ohms regardless if running 6 ohm speakers, then just ensure it has proper cooling. Really good and or older robust amps didn't even offer a "ohm" selection. Rather the amp was just rated for speaker loads equal to/greater than 4 ohms etc.

Either way, you won't hurt your AVR or the DTs. The fact your Onkyo came set at 6 ohms may just be their initial protection in the event someone uses 6 ohm speakers and is unaware of the possible issues if set to 8. Does your AVR manual give you any pointers?

Enjoy
post #27837 of 30941
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

I actually have my BP7000s about 3 feet from the back wall! I just kept inching them out and with every inch the soundstage and imaging improved! (It's a big room - maybe 20 feet long, but I probably only sit 7 feet away from them or so)
Good for you Yosh! I should not have said no one does that. There are a lot of dedicated audiophiles who have the room. I laughed when reading about a prominent acoustician who moved his speakers about 1/3rd of the way into the room, then moved them back when domestic bliss did not result...smile.gif
post #27838 of 30941
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Originally Posted by TepEvan View Post

Building a custom stand isn't really an option and neither is putting the CLR 2500 in front of the the stand pointing up. Is it a downgrade to use the Mythos Three instead of the CLR 2500 (other than the built in sub of the 2500)?
Hello Tep, the Mythos 3 is a good product, although as you point out it is not as good as one with a built in sub). But you need to do what you need to do. Aesthetics and room layout often dictate what we do, and that's OK in my book - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by tmauceri View Post

I'm also waiting for a BP8060 bundle and was wondering about toe in. My speakers will be about 7.5 feet apart(center to center) and 12 to 14 in from the rear wall. My seating distance is 9 ft from each speaker. A review I read stated that aiming the speakers 2 ft away from each shoulder was a good compromise of imaging and soundstage. Do you have any comments or recommendations for toe in.
Hello T, yes, you are on the right track. But again, experiment in your home with toe-in. Sometimes it works out best to aim the speakers toward your seated listening position, but other times the sound stage broadens nicely when you aim them at a spot 3-4 feet behind you. How close the side walls are and how deep the room is ... it all comes into play. Trust your ears and let us know how it works out smile.gif Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by tmauceri View Post

I'm expecting my 8060 package next week. I was told by Def Tech that a dock strike in LA stalled delivery on the very popular bundle. A rep at World Wide Stereo the Amazon dealer I ordered from told me, after many communications, they should arrive on Jan 11th or 12th. I ordered them on Dec 21st a X-mas gift from my wife, still waiting!
I do wan to apologize to you all about the dock strike. The fall promotion with the BP8060's worked better than our expectations, and when we sold so many we could not react fast enough to get ourselves stocked up. Then the darn strike hit... now we are turning them around to the stores. But we still don't have enough! We'll get some more in later this month. Any of you guys who are on the fence - now's a great time to act :-)
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