Definitive Owners Thread - Page 928

Hello all. I recently set up my first home theater, while not the greatest I'm still extremely pleased w/ my first budget system. It's a Denon AVR1312 with Def Tech ProCinema 60.6 speakers.
I have it wired option 1 style (front speakers to sub) but with this option I'm not sure what to set the crossover frequencies to on the denon receiver. Any and all advice appreciated!

I finally received ALL my new speakers, BP-8060ST, CS-8040HD, and SR-8040BP's.
I have not had enough time to dial this setup in yet, but, they sound GOOD!!!
They may even surpass my fond memories of my old Dahlquist DQ-10's from the 80's...

Now, If I can get my wife to go shopping this weekend....

Congrats and enjoy! You have to "get your wife to go shopping"? Shouldn't be too difficult.

Check here:
http://batpigworld.com/wp/

All things you need to get your Denon set up correctly.

My wife's not typical, she doesn't like shopping....It's going to be expensive....LOL

Curious why are you moving from the cm8's to a def tech setup?

I've had my eye on the 8060 towers for a while now. Don't see too many sales with them so I'm wondering if I should just buy them now since I would get the 8040 center and surrounds for free. Does anyone know if there is maybe a new line coming out and that's why their doing a package deal. I haven't been around long enough to know what the life of a speaker line is for def tech but with electronics it seems like the line being discontinued is cheaper due to a new product coming out. I think I would be happy with them but knowing my luck I would buy them right before a huge price drop or a new line comes out. Does anyone know if that is the case here?

Try setting the Denon to 60Hz and see how that sounds. I bet those satellite speakers won't go below 60 Hz anyway. I'd also try setting the LFE to " LFE + Main " if you have that option in Speaker Setup.

Hello Mendez, no, the BP 8060 ST isn't slated for replacement anytime soon. We've learned that fall sales promotions work, but since we don't want to give away the store, we have to figure out a way to make things win/win. We simply guessed wrong on the number of BP 8060's to build this year, and we were over-inventoried on them.
So we picked them for the promotion. It worked so well that we ran out of them, and had to build more! If you have been thinking about getting them for a while... NOW's the time to pull the trigger. That's a great deal. Best, Joe

Hey Rollie, you are right - experimentation is the key! Yes, start with the BP 8's about 8 - 12 inches from the wall, and experiment from there. Most home loudspeakers actually sound their best about 1/3rd of the way into the room, but no one ever does that, because it's ridiculous from a logistics standpoint. Somewhere in between 6 and 24 inches out you're likely to find the sweet spot between great sound and an acceptable look. Let us know how it goes - best, Joe

Hello Jevans and SYKO,
Jevans is right to say that the 60's satellites can only go so low. You may want to try it even a little higher - let's say 80 or 100 Hz. In general, the less expensive and / or bass-capable a main speaker is, the more you want to try to have the sub or subs handle a greater part of the range, so you move the crossover point up. Let us know what sounds best to you, OK? Best, Joe

I actually have my BP7000s about 3 feet from the back wall! I just kept inching them out and with every inch the soundstage and imaging improved! (It's a big room - maybe 20 feet long, but I probably only sit 7 feet away from them or so)

Thanks to everyone that responded!
It was the fact that the speakers were wired to the sub instead of the receiver itself that caused my uncertainty. I "assumed" that since Def Tech recommended wiring the front speakers to the sub that the sub would have a built in crossover itself that would allow the correct/proper frequencies to be delivered to the front speakers without harming them. I just wanted to make sure the full bass signal was making it to the sub from the receiver. Theoretically, if they were set to 60Hz on the Denon the full audio bandwidth would arrive at the sub, then the crossover built into the sub would filter out 120Hz down to 60Hz to the sub, and 120Hz up (since that's where I have the crossover set on the back of the sub) would go to the front left and right speakers. Then again that's theoretical, being an computer/electrical engineer that's kinda how my mind works unless I take things apart and that is NOT something I'm willing to do while under warranty lol.
The burn in period from what I've read on these forums is crucial, so I didn't want to push these speakers too hard, nor assume too much in the internal workings of the sub. I'll also check out that website BartMan01 posted.


I do have the sub set to LFE + Main bc IMO it sounded the best and made the most sense lol.

Thanks again for all the input!!

I agree with the 60Hz starting point - but rule of thumb here is after Audessey does it's thing you should never lower the crossover points, just raise them. If you end up with 40 for the front and 60 for the surrounds, go ahead and bump them all to 60 - but if you end up with 80 on some speakers don't lower that to 60, leave it at 80.

As to the LFE + Main - on the Denon that will either cause 'double bass' or have no effect depending on speaker size settings.

Really spend some time on that 'batpig' site I linked to and read the setup tips/instructions. He is the resident Denon 'expert' on this forum.

My Denon (1312) is not equipped with Audessey. I have been reading through it. I have the rear speakers at 120Hz and the center at 120 as well.

Building a custom stand isn't really an option and neither is putting the CLR 2500 in front of the the stand pointing up. Is it a downgrade to use the Mythos Three instead of the CLR 2500 (other than the built in sub of the 2500)?

Hey all,

How good are the BP7006 amped floorstanding speakers? They get great reviews, and the price is right (50% off list). Just interested in any thoughts.

Also -- will they match well with a Mythos 3 as a center channel? The matching center for 7006's is a bit steep on the price side.

Thanks!

I've always used the 8 ohm setting on all receivers with my DTs over the years.

So my bp8b speakers arrived. . . Wow!!! Haven't even calibrated them and just hooked them up to my Yamaha aventage 3000 and they sound amazing. The mid bass on these is awesome. Just very full sounding. I have them about 10 inches away from the back wall but I still have lots to expirement with. So far, my impressions with bipolar are outstanding!

About 2 ohms... :-)

Actually it's more technical and involves the fact that a unit of electrical resistance is an "ohm". Impedance is resistance thus a speaker having an impedance rating of 6 ohms has less electrical current resistance than an 8 ohm speaker etc.

Bottom line, I would set your receiver to 8 ohms.
Depending on the receiver and I don't claim to know anything about yours, lowering the impedance can effect performance (negatively). Sure the specs will lead you to believe it will produce more power at 6 vs 8 ohms, yet if you have 8 ohm speakers you're not gaining anything. The 6 ohm position could very well be placing extra protection measures within your AVR that only result in "less amp performance" when there is no reason to have the 6 ohm protection etc.

Cheers

My onkyo 3008 has either 4 ohm or 6 ohm ?
Anyone ?

yea but i dont understand, so is having it set to 6ohms on my receiver, does it mean that my speakers are not getting full power to them because the receiver is applying resistance for protection? will there by an audible difference if i change the setting on my reciever to 8ohms?

like i said i have bp6's, clr 2002 and bp2x's.
Edited by lamonsasa - 1/5/13 at 8:28am

Well I was expecting my 8060 package thursday and it still didn't come friday. Was looking forward to the weekend to play. Patience young Padowan!

I'm also waiting for a BP8060 bundle and was wondering about toe in. My speakers will be about 7.5 feet apart(center to center) and 12 to 14 in from the rear wall. My seating distance is 9 ft from each speaker. A review I read stated that aiming the speakers 2 ft away from each shoulder was a good compromise of imaging and soundstage. Do you have any comments or recommendations for toe in.

I'm expecting my 8060 package next week. I was told by Def Tech that a dock strike in LA stalled delivery on the very popular bundle. A rep at World Wide Stereo the Amazon dealer I ordered from told me, after many communications, they should arrive on Jan 11th or 12th. I ordered them on Dec 21st a X-mas gift from my wife, still waiting!

- Your speakers are 8 ohm speakers (average of 8 ohm - IE, aspeaker could peak from 2-30 ohms etc)
- As for an audible difference it's hard to say. An actual pair of 6 ohm speakers has less resistance thus can flow power more easily. Setting your AVR to 6 ohms basically causes it to raise the watts yet lower the amps to avoid the amp from flowing to easily and overheating or burning up circuits etc. In most AVRs it's a protection mode with what you would call a zero sum gain. Your rated watts per channel may be higher yet the lower amperage use results in the power to speaker (sound) dynamics to be equal. With your 8 ohm speakers you could very well be limiting the low frequency response/performance utilizing the 6 ohm setting. Will you hear it, maybe, maybe not..

Bottom line, because your AVR is say rated at 100 watts at 8 ohms yet 125 watts at 6 ohms, it by no means should have you selecting 6 ohm settings even though utilizing 8 ohm speakers. You are gaining nothing, rather likely hurting the performance.

Seriously, im no expert but have been around electronics a bit and even built my own amps to understand enough to be confussing... :-)

Do a bit of "Google'ing". You will also find out that given today's AVRs, many will tell you to leave it set to 8 ohms regardless if running 6 ohm speakers, then just ensure it has proper cooling. Really good and or older robust amps didn't even offer a "ohm" selection. Rather the amp was just rated for speaker loads equal to/greater than 4 ohms etc.

Either way, you won't hurt your AVR or the DTs. The fact your Onkyo came set at 6 ohms may just be their initial protection in the event someone uses 6 ohm speakers and is unaware of the possible issues if set to 8. Does your AVR manual give you any pointers?

Enjoy

Good for you Yosh! I should not have said no one does that. There are a lot of dedicated audiophiles who have the room. I laughed when reading about a prominent acoustician who moved his speakers about 1/3rd of the way into the room, then moved them back when domestic bliss did not result...

Hello Tep, the Mythos 3 is a good product, although as you point out it is not as good as one with a built in sub). But you need to do what you need to do. Aesthetics and room layout often dictate what we do, and that's OK in my book - best, Joe

Hello T, yes, you are on the right track. But again, experiment in your home with toe-in. Sometimes it works out best to aim the speakers toward your seated listening position, but other times the sound stage broadens nicely when you aim them at a spot 3-4 feet behind you. How close the side walls are and how deep the room is ... it all comes into play. Trust your ears and let us know how it works out Best, Joe

I do wan to apologize to you all about the dock strike. The fall promotion with the BP8060's worked better than our expectations, and when we sold so many we could not react fast enough to get ourselves stocked up. Then the darn strike hit... now we are turning them around to the stores. But we still don't have enough! We'll get some more in later this month. Any of you guys who are on the fence - now's a great time to act :-)