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post #27961 of 30929
I have a lot of questions. I have these old BP20's, BP2x surround speakers, and a powerfield 1500. I just purchased a pioneer sc-1222k receiver. I like to add a center speaker and two side or back speakers (in addition to the BP2x's). Will any of these new definitive speakers match up with my old stuff? Can I replace the soft dome tweeters in the BP20 with a new Definitive Technology Aluminum tweeter without any mods to the crossover? Could I update the subwoofer by replacing the driver with something more current, say something like the stereo integrity HT 15. The amp is only 250 watts so I don't know if it would even push that driver, so maybe something different but better than the original. In the old days I used an infinity video 1 center speaker with the BP20's that sounded boxy. I want to avoid that same sound at all cost. So what definitive center speaker will sound good with my setup that doesn't sound like a small box? Finally, what surround speakers should I use that would match or surpase my old BP2x's when used in conjunction with them. I can't afford to replace everything yet, so is it even worth updating all the old stuff? I have about a $2000 budget. Thanks.
post #27962 of 30929
^^^My initial thought was sell the PF15 ($100-$200) move the 20s to side surround duty, use the BP2Xs as rears and then go for a new matching front three - 8060s across would be great. Just an initial thought. :-)
post #27963 of 30929
I just purchased the 8060's off of crutchfield and it included a free 8040HD center speaker and 8040BP surrounds. I probably just sell off my old stuff and get matching speakers later on when I can afford it. Thanks KJSmitty.
post #27964 of 30929
I will also post this in the Onkyo forum as well. My 8060 towers should be here this week. I am trying to visualize running Audessy with the powered towers. How does this work? Turn the bass knob down? Plug in LFE? Help please!
post #27965 of 30929
Agnt008, hopefully, you have not lost your sanity (or surrounds) yet! I know how these things go.
I know that you say that you have a pool table directly behind the couch, but I may have a solution for you re stands. Samson makes the MS200. If I can figure it out, I will paste a jpg of the stock photo or my installation.
The thing about the stands are that they have a triangular base, so that you can put one point of the triangle up under the couch and only need about 8" behind the couch.
They are stout and fitted with steel pins in guide holes to keep the upright at the desired height. The height is adjustable from 30" to 50". Mine are set at 44" so that it is just above and slightly behind the seating.
The best price that I know of now is B&H Photo for $67.40 w/free shipping.
Obviously, the top plate where the speaker sits is larger than the SR-8040BP, but the speaker fits on almost half of it and being a triangular shape (the speaker, not the top plate...) you just sit it on there diagonally and it fits right into the corner of the plate.
Get some mounting putty from your local hardware store and make the small (1/2 to 1") balls of putty. Put one of each on each of the corners of the speaker and smash it down onto the plate. Nothing short of an earthquake will shake it loose.
I will try to attach, upload, something the pix. If all else fails, email me at dvdwilly3@verizon.net and I will email them to you.
If this does not do it, let me know.

post #27966 of 30929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I will also post this in the Onkyo forum as well. My 8060 towers should be here this week. I am trying to visualize running Audessy with the powered towers. How does this work? Turn the bass knob down? Plug in LFE? Help please!

I could be wrong but LFE does'nt effect the sound - at least not to any level that I can hear. I have the LFE connected on my mains only. I use the LFE adjustment of the receiver to turn up/down the bass. All other speakers I just keep the knobs at 12 o'clock. Sounds amazing! smile.gif
post #27967 of 30929
Well I will also be getting a HSU VTF-15H subwoofer. Dr. Hsu told me to run lfe to sub and not towers and gave the specific setting for the knobs on the sub in which there is a few. He did say to let the receiver set the crossover as you stated with letting Audyssey do the calibration. Set crossover on towers 60-80hz and let the more than capable sub handle to low hz's...
I'm just wondering when Audessy sends it's measuring 'chirps' out if the towers subs will make noise as well.
post #27968 of 30929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well I will also be getting a HSU VTF-15H subwoofer. Dr. Hsu told me to run lfe to sub and not towers and gave the specific setting for the knobs on the sub in which there is a few. He did say to let the receiver set the crossover as you stated with letting Audyssey do the calibration. Set crossover on towers 60-80hz and let the more than capable sub handle to low hz's...
I'm just wondering when Audessy sends it's measuring 'chirps' out if the towers subs will make noise as well.

Yep, all speakers enabled in the menu will give a tone when running Audyssey. Nice sub choice.
post #27969 of 30929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84

Well I will also be getting a HSU VTF-15H subwoofer. Dr. Hsu told me to run lfe to sub and not towers and gave the specific setting for the knobs on the sub in which there is a few. He did say to let the receiver set the crossover as you stated with letting Audyssey do the calibration. Set crossover on towers 60-80hz and let the more than capable sub handle to low hz's...
I'm just wondering when Audessy sends it's measuring 'chirps' out if the towers subs will make noise as well.

Yep, all speakers enabled in the menu will give a tone when running Audyssey. Nice sub choice.

So will my 8060 towers will chirp and sound from the sub in the tower at the same time? I guess I can still change the crossover settings after Audyssey runs it's calibrations and comes up with it's suggested settings and then save them. Just curious about the process and thinking out loud. Any similar setups?
post #27970 of 30929
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

So will my 8060 towers will chirp and sound from the sub in the tower at the same time? I guess I can still change the crossover settings after Audyssey runs it's calibrations and comes up with it's suggested settings and then save them. Just curious about the process and thinking out loud. Any similar setups?

It will sound a tone one speaker at a time starting with the left front and work clockwise with the sub being last. There is an official Audyssey thread you can read to find all the info. Not to hard to find. It's in the receiver forum.
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Thanks!
post #27973 of 30929
So I'm thinking of adding a bp8b as a center channel as I also have bp8bs for my mains. Only problem is that I am limited in placement from back wall only about 4 or 5 inches of clearance since it is going behind my av rack. TV is wall mounted right above.. Will this work or should I just look for an actual center like the clr2002? Which is the better speaker? Thanks
I could also move my audio rack( TV stand) all the way to rear wall and place the speaker in front of the TV stand. Doing so will leave the speaker about 16 from the rear wall. I would just have to move my receiver and ps3 to the edge of the stand but it could work.
Edited by rollie83 - 1/13/13 at 10:08pm
post #27974 of 30929
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Originally Posted by bradthebold88 View Post

I would definitely keep the BPVXs, they are beasts. The 8080's only have two 4 1/2" drivers, the BPVXs have four 6 1/2" ones, I love mine. If you mean the treelocks broke on the top of the surrounds (the little plastic pieces that hold the end cap on), Definitive will send you some for free. I replaced 2 sets last month, and it was a pain to get the broken stubs out, but it was much nicer once the ends caps actually stayed on.

A pair of XPA-5s wouldn't be too much power for the your speakers, but do you need more power? If you aren't clipping your receiver, then I doubt you would notice any difference using the Emotiva amps. . If you are clipping your AVR, an extra 60-100 W/ch isn't going to fix the problem. That would only give you max 3db more headroom, assuming your AVR can't put out as much power as it claims. Others will claim external amps can make a difference at all volumes though, so you would have to determine if that's something you want to try or not and if you actually need more power or not as you have a nice AVR. And you could use the ~$1400 you aren't spending on amps to get better surrounds, like another pair of BPVXs, BPXs, or towers.

Sorry the BPVX's were destroyed by Bro-inLaw.. dropped and molested (he can keep those) but was able to find my old BPX's in my garage.. I meant more power by adding the Emotiva amp xpa-5 to the bp2000's clr2002 and BPx's only and drive the SR-8080 by the receiver. I'm stuck between the Yamaha 3020 (had previous 1 gen Yamaha DSP 3090, and had awesome surrong sound fileds @ 45watts x 7 and it was plain awesome..) and my other considering receiver is the Pioneer Sc-68.. I really don't care for THX, since my Def Tech's are not THX anyways.. nor is anything in my future media room. Am I wasting my money on the Emotiva Amp? The Yamaha is a 9.2 = http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a3020_black_u/

Rear Panel = http://data.yamaha.jp/sdb/product/image/others/raw/r/rx-a3020_black_u/9753407C66BF4EFAB55E242AC607EDF4_12075.jpg

and the Pioneer Sc-68 = http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-68

I'd rather save on the Amp, If I'm not going to any more sound difference with the Emotiva XPA-5.. Sorry for bing a n00b, I've been away as you can tell I only have under 10 post frown.gif

Also I failed to mention this set-up is going in a 25'L x 15'W room with 9 ft ceilings.. if that helps?
Edited by DrZaus - 1/14/13 at 12:11am
post #27975 of 30929
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Originally Posted by DrZaus View Post

Sorry the BPVX's were destroyed by Bro-inLaw.. dropped and molested (he can keep those) but was able to find my old BPX's in my garage.. I meant more power by adding the Emotiva amp xpa-5 to the bp2000's clr2002 and BPx's only and drive the SR-8080 by the receiver. I'm stuck between the Yamaha 3020 (had previous 1 gen Yamaha DSP 3090, and had awesome surrong sound fileds @ 45watts x 7 and it was plain awesome..) and my other considering receiver is the Pioneer Sc-68.. I really don't care for THX, since my Def Tech's are not THX anyways.. nor is anything in my future media room. Am I wasting my money on the Emotiva Amp? The Yamaha is a 9.2 = http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a3020_black_u/

Rear Panel = http://data.yamaha.jp/sdb/product/image/others/raw/r/rx-a3020_black_u/9753407C66BF4EFAB55E242AC607EDF4_12075.jpg

and the Pioneer Sc-68 = http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-68

I'd rather save on the Amp, If I'm not going to any more sound difference with the Emotiva XPA-5.. Sorry for bing a n00b, I've been away as you can tell I only have under 10 post frown.gif

Also I failed to mention this set-up is going in a 25'L x 15'W room with 9 ft ceilings.. if that helps?

You have a good receiver, so I would think an amp would be a waste of money, especially two amps, unless you frequently play them so loud they clip. These speakers have sensitivities >90dB, and I've never had an issue driving them. New receivers have low distortion and if you aren't clipping, I dont' think it should sound different than any other amp that isn't clipping. The emotiva would only give you MAX 3dB more headroom anyways, which is just a barely noticeable increase in volume.

Some people believe different though and think an amp can make the speakers sound better at all volumes. All an amp does it amplify a signal though, so if it isn't distorting or clipping, I don't think it should make a difference. There are plenty of amp threads you can read though, and there are a lot of people that believe both sides.

I would at least see if you could demo some local amp first to see if it makes a difference.
Edited by bradthebold88 - 1/14/13 at 7:41am
post #27976 of 30929
Quick question guys!

I just did a Audyssey calibration and want to confirm what Audyssey did is correct.

I have a pair of BP7001SC, CLR3000 center, 4x BPX for surrounds, 2x Di6.5S for height channel, plus a SVS PB12-Plus sub. Audyssey set the BP7001SC cross @ 40hz while the rest of the speakers @ 60hz. Does it sound right? I'm looking for the best bass perfromance out of the BP7001SC pair & the PB12-Plus sub.

Thanks. wink.gif
post #27977 of 30929
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question guys!

I just did a Audyssey calibration and want to confirm what Audyssey did is correct.

I have a pair of BP7001SC, CLR3000 center, 4x BPX for surrounds, 2x Di6.5S for height channel, plus a SVS PB12-Plus sub. Audyssey set the BP7001SC cross @ 40hz while the rest of the speakers @ 60hz. Does it sound right? I'm looking for the best bass perfromance out of the BP7001SC pair & the PB12-Plus sub.

Thanks. wink.gif

if some speakers are at 40 and some at 60, I would set them all to 60.
post #27978 of 30929
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question guys!

I just did a Audyssey calibration and want to confirm what Audyssey did is correct.

I have a pair of BP7001SC, CLR3000 center, 4x BPX for surrounds, 2x Di6.5S for height channel, plus a SVS PB12-Plus sub. Audyssey set the BP7001SC cross @ 40hz while the rest of the speakers @ 60hz. Does it sound right? I'm looking for the best bass perfromance out of the BP7001SC pair & the PB12-Plus sub.

Thanks. wink.gif


I have the same speakers, except I have 2 BPVX for surrounds implemented in a 5.1 system. Also, I have a Def Tech Reference sub.

I ran Audyssey on my system and it set the crossovers in a similar fashion as yours. I changed them. I set all fronts to 80hz and the surrounds to 100hz.

I think your SVS sub will do a better job of handling bass than the built-in subs in your 7001s.

However, you may have different listening preferences. Therefore, I suggest that you experiment with the crossovers and then keep what sounds best to you. Room acoustics can make a big difference as well.

One recommendation that I have is to set the individual built-in sub levels to 75hz with the gain control knobs and an SPL meter prior to running Audyssey. I found that the gain controls on my 7001s required very different settings with respect to each other to achieve the same SPL. Just setting both controls at the same relative position (i.e. 10 o'clock) produced very different sound levels on my towers. Getting both built-in subs producing the same SPL is very important prior to running Audyssey.

After running Audyssey on my system and changing the crossovers, I am very happy with the result in overall sound quality.
post #27979 of 30929
Looked at speakers today at best buy, haven't shopped them in a while. I like the 8040BPs design for my space, they sounded good in magnolia. I'd be spending more than I wanted for rear and sides with those, anything similar or maybe in walls that magnolia carries? Seeing the deal on crutchfield, that's tempting. Don't NEED to replace my towers just yet but hmm...
post #27980 of 30929
No advice on this from anyone who has heard both the mythos sts and 8060st?
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Originally Posted by shiftyz View Post

I'm new to the forum and looking for some advice.

My background is I haven't been into home audio stuff in a few years. I have a modest setup right now and like it, but I'm looking to upgrade.

Current setup:
Polk Rti12's - Left, Right
Polk Csi 5 - center
Polk LsiFX - rears
Polk PSW505 sub
Onkyo TX-SR806

I mainly use it for Movies/TV and seldom music.

I would like to reduce the size of the setup and upgrade the quality. The RTi12 are huge, as are the LSI's for rear. The size of the center channel is fine.

I'm considering the Def Tech 8060st with the free center and surrounds for 2K. I have heard this setup in a store and it sounds pretty good.

I'm also considering the Def Tech Mythos STS, Mythos nine, and Mythos GEMs. I have a dealer who can get me this setup new with warranty for 3K. No where around here has these to actually listen to though.

My question is, is the Mythos setup 1K better or would I be better off with the 8060 setup and perhaps upgrading the receiver? Are these going to be dramatically better than the Polks? Is there a better way to spend the 2K-3K?

Thanks for all advice.
post #27981 of 30929
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Originally Posted by ArthurVandelay View Post

Looked at speakers today at best buy, haven't shopped them in a while. I like the 8040BPs design for my space, they sounded good in magnolia. I'd be spending more than I wanted for rear and sides with those, anything similar or maybe in walls that magnolia carries? Seeing the deal on crutchfield, that's tempting. Don't NEED to replace my towers just yet but hmm...

I have the Mythos Gem for my surrounds and love them but they're around the same price as the 8040BP. Using Pro 800's for my surround rears. They have deeper sound but don't produce the 'depth' which the Mythos do. My 800's are further back than the distance of side surrounds so it still balances well.
post #27982 of 30929
Anyone ever tried using a tower as a center channel. I just bought a BP7001sc for dirt cheap he was practically giving it away
post #27983 of 30929
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Originally Posted by JAMES MCHUGHES View Post

Anyone ever tried using a tower as a center channel. I just bought a BP7001sc for dirt cheap he was practically giving it away

I have not myself yet many have with great success ( Not just Definitive Tech either). Typically it's the size/shape that keeps many from sticking with It long term. I've even read where one gent laid it down on its side - under his display, woofer up of course and loved the dynamics/sound. I know if I ever found a dirt cheep single BP7000/7001 I would perform some of my woodworking magic and would be shortly posting pictures of my new "CLR7000"!! 😄
Cheers
post #27984 of 30929
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question guys!

I just did a Audyssey calibration and want to confirm what Audyssey did is correct.

I have a pair of BP7001SC, CLR3000 center, 4x BPX for surrounds, 2x Di6.5S for height channel, plus a SVS PB12-Plus sub. Audyssey set the BP7001SC cross @ 40hz while the rest of the speakers @ 60hz. Does it sound right? I'm looking for the best bass perfromance out of the BP7001SC pair & the PB12-Plus sub.

Thanks. wink.gif

I don't know if you want to use Audyssey with BP7001SCs. I used it in my room with BP7000SCs and it just killed the bass in the room. It was weak and just sounded awful, however, when I unplugged my towers it did excellent job with my HGS-18 sealed sub, it was actually pretty amazing!
post #27985 of 30929
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Originally Posted by JAMES MCHUGHES View Post

Anyone ever tried using a tower as a center channel. I just bought a BP7001sc for dirt cheap he was practically giving it away
You can probably just unhook the rear array. It's just crossovered over higher than the fronts. I'm not sure what the impediance will be... Actually, if you can get some pictures of the BP7001SC crossover board, i'm curious how it compairs to the BP7000SC!
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Sure I will get you some pics truwarrior no problem. Im just going to play with it and see what it does for a center I picked it up for 250 biggrin.gif
I would probably leave the rear drivers up was thinking of lying it down but im sure the passive needs to breathe ? Maybe prop it up about 2 inches all around I guess
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Originally Posted by JAMES MCHUGHES View Post

Sure I will get you some pics truwarrior no problem. Im just going to play with it and see what it does for a center I picked it up for 250 biggrin.gif
I would probably leave the rear drivers up was thinking of lying it down but im sure the passive needs to breathe ? Maybe prop it up about 2 inches all around I guess

Don't forget to lift with the knees lol I moved my HGS-18 on Sunday any my back is still sore. Hard to get a good grab on it lol Wow that's an awesome price, I guess it's kinda hard to sell one speaker to most people lol. For sure I would get it off the ground those 2". I you have a spl meter, I'm curious what you measure. from 250hz down to 20hz. The lower mid range on my BP7000SC, dips before the subwoofer kicks, but then the bass radiators bump up the bass around 40hz. It's nuts for HT and games, but kinda of a pain for music... I know part of the issue is my room since it's only 14' wide so I don't think the towers have enough side wall space.
post #27988 of 30929
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

Quick question guys!

I just did a Audyssey calibration and want to confirm what Audyssey did is correct.

I have a pair of BP7001SC, CLR3000 center, 4x BPX for surrounds, 2x Di6.5S for height channel, plus a SVS PB12-Plus sub. Audyssey set the BP7001SC cross @ 40hz while the rest of the speakers @ 60hz. Does it sound right? I'm looking for the best bass perfromance out of the BP7001SC pair & the PB12-Plus sub.

Thanks. wink.gif


Landshark Audyysey did a great job with your settings. I also own the 7001's and by setting them at 40Hz you are making those towers handle everything it was meant to and give you better bass response. First off the built in subs are not true subwoofers the best they can do is around 30Hz before dropping off and sounding boomy. By setting to 40Hz your using the built in "subs" as mid bass subs and there are fantastic in that capacity. Your towers will now give you great loud bass you can hear while your standalone SVS will give you great bass you can feel. Your SVS will also have more power since it no longer has to handle your mains 40-80Hz frequencies. The same can be said of your center whose built in "sub" should never be used as a subwoofer but more as an enhancement of mid bass frequencies so 60Hz is perfect for that 10" mid bass sub with 150 watt amp. Personally I would set your surrounds to 80Hz so they're not straining so hard to reproduce the 60-80Hz frequencies. You'll find you'll get a great portion of great mid bass and tight well controlled lower frequency bass with your SVS. Your system sounds a lot like mine and movies sound incredible.
post #27989 of 30929
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Landshark Audyysey did a great job with your settings. I also own the 7001's and by setting them at 40Hz you are making those towers handle everything it was meant to and give you better bass response. First off the built in subs are not true subwoofers the best they can do is around 30Hz before dropping off and sounding boomy. By setting to 40Hz your using the built in "subs" as mid bass subs and there are fantastic in that capacity. Your towers will now give you great loud bass you can hear while your standalone SVS will give you great bass you can feel. Your SVS will also have more power since it no longer has to handle your mains 40-80Hz frequencies. The same can be said of your center whose built in "sub" should never be used as a subwoofer but more as an enhancement of mid bass frequencies so 60Hz is perfect for that 10" mid bass sub with 150 watt amp. Personally I would set your surrounds to 80Hz so they're not straining so hard to reproduce the 60-80Hz frequencies. You'll find you'll get a great portion of great mid bass and tight well controlled lower frequency bass with your SVS. Your system sounds a lot like mine and movies sound incredible.

+1 to this. Definitive can claim 18hz all they want, it's not reality. Audyssey set mine to 40 as well. I tried them at full and did not like what I heard. No offence to dt, they make great products.
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I did feel 40hz worked well with BP7000SC as well. Perhaps if my room was wider, I wouldn't cross the BP7000SC over at all.
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