Definitive Owners Thread - Page 937

I actually asked Chet about disconnecting the rear drivers he suggested leaving them. Also asked about the passive he said if I could get 2'' clearance thats fine.
It sound normal to me but not really to sure what to be listening for to tell you the truth.

The Denon AVR-2801 is about 12 years old, so pass on that. Same with the speakers but speakers have a much longer life than a receiver. The BP 2006TL ( aluminum tweeter ) sold for $1200. If the BP2006 is TL, I'd offer $600 for the speaker set if they are in good condition. The C2 and PM80 aren't worth more than $150 and $450 is fair for the 2006's. Ask him what he wants for just the speakers and what condition they are in. Make sure those 2006's are the TL's.

I would probably give the edge to the Klipsch speaker set provided you added a decent sub to go along with them. I'm assuming you saw the Klipsch on Newegg and they have a $30 off Promo Code until 1/26.

Of course the DefTech are on sale again at Newegg. You can get the BP8B for $200 each and a pair of SM350 for $200. You'll have to check eBay/Audiogon for the C/L/R 2002. This would make a better 7.1 setup than the BP2006 provided you added a sub. You'll have 1"/5.25" drivers across the board but you are still looking at $1000 plus the cost of a sub.
Edited by jevans64 - 1/21/13 at 9:55pm

So I fired up the Denon 2808 and decided to run Audyssey XT against my pair of CLR3000. I have the CLR3000's setup vertically on stand in a 2nd room from my HT. Once again, I'm very impressed out how to tuned the bass responce. CLR3000's can sound a bit boomy in a typical setup, but the powered woofers sound sooooo much better now! Not sure if I like what it did for the mids and highs, but it's ok and I'm 2 for 3 for what it does for the bass. 1st it was my HGS18 and now the CLR3000's, just can't seem to get a good tune from the BP7000SC woofers. Luckly they sound pretty good and powerful without EQ, but I know it can be better with a little EQ!

Anyone upgrade from Audyssey XT to XT32 or Pro? Curious how it worked out with your Def Techs. I'd like to upgrade just for DSX too, but not sure if I would use the CLR3000's or the BP7000SC for wides. I might just use the BP7000SC as wides with the rear drivers disconnected in order to get the front 3 to be all CLR3000's .

I've noticed the opposite with MCCAC for my CLR3000. I can turn it all the way up and connect it to LFE with no real increase in subwoofer output. I'd like a bit more out of the sub without sending lower freq to the whole center. I have everything crossed at 80. I don't think there is a way to turn the x over off on my pioneer.

Hm, I've never used MCCAC. With the Denon, the bass seems to have about the same amount of volume (I have it set at 1/2 volume on the dial), just more detailed and a little bit more impact. Of course this is with pair instead of a single CLR3000.

Awesome, thanks so much! I already contacted the seller and told him I was only interested in the speakers. I'll confirm that the 2006s are TL, and I'll see if we can work something out. I will be adding a new receiver, sub, and side surrounds, as I'm going 7.1.

Looking for some DefTech owners advice, (understanding that this is probably going to be biased toward the DefTechs). With the current NewEgg sale on the StudioMonitor 350s, I'm contemplating buying a pair for the mains in my HT system. I currently have a pair of B&W DM601 bookshelf speakers as my mains, with a slightly smaller B&W center channel. I love the sound of them, but since buying my dad a pair of the SM350's a few years ago for his HT system, have been intrigued by Definitives. I remember being impressed with the sound out of a small speaker. I primarily use my HT system for tv and movie watching, but listen to 2.1 music on occasion as well.

Does anyone have any advice or comments about how these 2 might compare? My parents live hours away, so I really have no way of A/B'ing these against my current setup. They would be powered from an Integra 50.2 receiver, which is rated at 135 watt/ch.

I do have one additional question, unrelated to my previous post. I found someone local selling an OLD pair of BP-2 surround speakers on craigslist for $40. They look like they're in pretty good shape. Are these speakers worth $40? I did some digging, but can't figure out how long ago this model came out, (so I can only imagine that it was a very long time ago). Currently, I have a super cheap pair of KLH speakers left over from a HTIAB set as my surrounds. Needless to say, they leave a lot to be desired.

You'll have MUCH better control over the built-in subs in the 7000's with the included Sub EQ in the upgrade kit. It didn't matter much to me since I adjusted my 7000's subs with an SPL meter prior to running Audyssey. Having Sub EQ just eliminates that step and allows for independent sub adjustment before running Audyssey. I run in Audyssey DSX mode most of the time but I ordered Expendables 2, which has DTS Neo:X mix. DSX will just matrix two additional speakers if you have the AVP or 5308ci w/ upgrade. True 11.x isn't possible with those receivers.

If I had the room, I would probably pick up two more C/L/R 3000 to use them as Front Wide. I think the C/L/R 3000 would work very well as Wide speakers with the 7000's as the main front. I have Studio Monitor 55's as Front Height and I was surprised at how well they worked as Wide speakers considering their size and their high mounting. Of course, they were no match for my 7000's on their own amp at higher volume levels.

I was going to say get the SM 450's at Newegg but they are back up to $600 now. The SM 350's are $180 now. Other than the difference in efficiency, the DM601 wouldn't be much of an improvement over the SM350. The higher efficiency of the DefTech means you'll get about 3 dB more using the same amount of amp power, which matters when using a receiver but not so much with a powerful amp.

I think those were made in the late 1990's. They had a 1" tweeter and 5.25" mid on each side. I'm thinking they had rubber feet on the side of them so they can be placed horizontally on a shelf. Not usre if they were stick-on or not. I'm guessing they sold for about $400 a pair and were meant to complement a BP10/20/30 main speaker setup. They were replaced by the trapezoidal surround speakers. If you get these, you will need 12-18" of clearance from a back wall.

Good to know. I was hoping they'd be wall mountable like the trapezoidal speakers. Thanks for the info!

Thanks, despite the inexpensive price, I guess I'll stick with my current setup. I wouldn't mind some new surrounds though.

Hello Boondoggle, remember that if you drill into the cabinet you can create an air leak, and air leaks play havoc with bass response. Even as generous as our customer service guys are, I think they would draw the line at that one
You may be an expert in woodworking, but I can tell you that I would not try it myself. Museum putty or BluTack can help. Good luck! Best, Joe

Hi Rollie, if you feel that you are aware of the source of the surround information, then I think you are on the right track to bring them down some. You also may want to check the level and make sure they are in proper balance with the mains. Regarding the rear speakers, your 450's may sound better if you get them up on the wall. Our customer service guys have suggested the Pinpoint AM 40 as a good mount to use. Check the link here http://pinpointmounts.com/am40.html
Best of luck Rollie, and let us know how it turns out. Best, Joe

Hello Boondoggle, check out the Pinpoint AM 40 as it looks pretty cool - http://pinpointmounts.com/am40.html. Best, Joe

Keep playing them Teck, they will get better :-). Thanks for buying DT! Best, Joe

Hello JLP, the show was great, thanks for asking, but I am jamming to get ready for ISE in Amsterdam (leaving Saturday am) and there's a lot to do! Regarding your BP 8060 ST's, I am glad they are making you grin. We all work hard enough - when it's play time, grinning is mandatory. There are many factors and you will see many opinions, but here are a few thoughts: 1. Personal preference plays a part. What is "plenty" of bass for one listener is "not enough" for another, so many listeners feel no need to add a sub, and others cannot imagine not doing so. 2. Crossover point can be a) placement, b) room, and c) personal preference dependent, too. 3. I urge you to experiment some to see what works best in your room and to your ears. Sure, you can use 80 Hz as the crossover point, but remember that you have powerful subs with good amps in those towers. You may get a better blend with your sub at 60 Hz, or even 40... and plenty of guys on this site will say that they run their towers full range. I have set up many a subwoofer system to where it sounded just right to me, only to have the listener claim that there is either too little, or too much, bass. Of course, if others want to chime in, feel free. It is a forum after all! Best, Joe

Thanks Joe.

Those Pinpoints are pretty cool. I like the idea of hanging them on the wall. Might even be able to convince my wife. Stands are always kind of funky looking. A little blue tak or museum putty as insurance wouldn't hurt either since the SM 350s have the 'sock' and the side grips might slip a little when things get loud. The only questionable part is running speaker cables through the wall. Our house turns 100 years old this year. Currently re-doing the kitchen as well (have to earn my toys somehow) and you'd be amazed at some of the 'surprises' we run into. But that's a different forum...

At least I wouldn't have to drill holes in my new speakers though. I'm pretty good with stuff like that, and these speakers aren' *that* expensive, but I'd rather not screw them up (no pun intended) if I don't have to.

Those Sanus stands look kind of cheap and the Atlantic ones are actually kind of cool except for the cheap looking fake carbon fiber base plates.

These Transdeco's look nice but are a bit pricey.

http://www.amazon.com/Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set/dp/B001PYV7LQ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1O44AD1XRNFCJ&coliid=I7XTD0N4239OP

I actually have space on my TV stand for the speakers - but they'd only be about 5.5' apart and I'd like to space them out a bit more for imaging sake.

I'll figure something out….

Thanks for your input!
Edited by boondongle - 1/22/13 at 1:57pm

How did you you adjust the BP7000SC's with an SPL meter? I can get it fairly flat between the mids and upper bass but then there's a large bump around 40Hz.

Update: CLR-3000 is no longer available (congratulations jvmanolis!).

2000TLs are still available. Please PM if interested.

I found a good deal on a pair of bp1x now I know there older but would they be a improvement over my pro monitor 1000s as my surrounds I only have a 5.1 system current do to a smaller living room and the couch is all the way up against the back wall

I just ordered the BP-8060st. It's placement will be 4 inches from the wall behind the speakers, is that too close? Even closer would be better but I think 4 would be max.

I was sold on the BP-8060st's because of the 6db decrease for rear output, and easier placement advertising of this speaker. And the really great free surrounds and center speaker deal.

The room is kinda small, about 20' wide by 15'. The tv needs to be next to the wall so the closer to the wall the speaker can sit, the better.

The speakers are bipolar

I used to have the bp 1.2 and they are great surround speakers and can be placed pretty much anywhere. Compared to the 1000's, i say the bp 1.2 do a better job at surround sound but the 1000s are better for mains.

I have a pair of mythos st as my mains and I would move the bp's to my surround backs and the 1000s to my surrounds when I move and go back to my 7.1 set-up and thanks are they efficient and where would be the best placement for them they also come with a pair of bp2004

Updated, Pro Monitor 1000's for front height to go with 8060 towers, 8040 center, 8040 rears and hsu vtf-15h subwoofer. Re-ran audyssey and have some great results. Music coming from the front is amazing!

I hope I don't regret making this decision, but I really wanted to buy a pair of BP7001s to replace my BP30s and move those to side surround duty. However after speaking with a few people and listening to my BP30s without my dual Supercube IIs they do a good job of hitting the lower frequencies, just without the punch of course. Quite a few people recommended that I upgrade my subs so I'll plan to order the VTF-15H a few weeks from now after cleaning up a bit. I'm going to pray that Listenup continues to sell the 7001s for awhile. I remember when I had my 7002s, I liked them but wanted 6.5" drivers making me buy a pair of BP30s.

How do you hook up a sub to the center channel?

What receiver are you using I currently have a pioneer elite vsx-32 but am looking at a denon 3312 I had a onkyo receiver and I really miss my audyssey calibration I just started understanding how to used the mcacc and even with it tuned perfectly It just doesn't sound as good as the audyssey.
Edited by shadowfox2689 - 1/22/13 at 10:16pm

HD 335 hooking up a sub to a center is very easy. First off I chose a Def Tech sub solely based on the fact that when you hook up their Prosub 800 or higher models ( in my case a Prosub 1000) using speaker wire the sub uses its own built in crossover set at 80Hz ( the Prosub 600 crosses at 100Hz).

So what you do is run standard speaker wire from your receiver's center channel out to the center channel subwoofers speaker in connection. Then another set of speaker wire from the speaker out on the back of the center channel sub to your center speaker. Red to red and black to black. Then set your crossover on the center channel (using your receiver) to 40Hz. What this does is your receiver will send everything above 40Hz along the center speaker wire and anything below 40Hz gets sent to your "Main" subwoofer ( not your center channel sub ). Now that 40Hz and up will go through your sub hooked up to the center channel and will play only 40-80Hz ( because the center channel subs internal crossover is set at 80Hz. Now anything above 80hz (80Hz-20 kHz) will be sent out of the sub out speaker wire connection to the center channel. So now your center channel and hooked up "mid bass" sub will play 40Hz - 20kHz with no strain on the speaker or hooked up sub. Adjust the gain on the center sub to the level that best matches your "Mains" and you are now done.
Edited by UofAZ1 - 1/22/13 at 10:48pm

SM350 vs PM1000

Can anyone comment on this comparison? Are the 350's and the 1000's drivers identical?

I have four PM1000 and a PC2000 in a system that currently has mis-matched back surrounds (old CSW Ambience, nice neutral speakers but very power hungry). At the bargain price of $180 the pair I'm thinking the 350s could either replace my mains, if they match the PC2000, letting me move a pair of 1000s to the back, or that the 350s would be a close enough match that I could use them in the back.

I'll probably buy them anyway -- I need speakers for a bedroom -- but insight from those who are familiar with these models would be appreciated.

(PS, FWIW, this system is currently using two non-identical subs, an Emotiva X-Ref 10 and a DT SuperCube III, which sound surprisingly similar and were pretty easy to integrate.)
Edited by rdclark - 1/23/13 at 9:41am