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Originally Posted by shadowfox2689 View Post

What receiver are you using I currently have a pioneer elite vsx-32 but am looking at a denon 3312 I had a onkyo receiver and I really miss my audyssey calibration I just started understanding how to used the mcacc and even with it tuned perfectly It just doesn't sound as good as the audyssey.
I noticed the same thing with Pioneers too. At least with Def Tech speakers, Denon is def the way to go! Im actually selling my 3312 if youre interested. Replaced it with a 4311 and no longer need it now. Its only a few months old and I have everything it came with. PM me if youre interested.
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

SM350 vs PM1000

Can anyone comment on this comparison? Are the 350's and the 1000's drivers identical?

I have four PM1000 and a PC2000 in a system that currently has mis-matched back surrounds (old CSW Ambience, nice neutral speakers but very power hungry). At the bargain price of $180 the pair I'm thinking the 350s could either replace my mains, if they match the PC2000, letting me move a pair of 1000s to the back, or that the 350s would be a close enough match that I could use them in the back.

I'll probably buy them anyway -- I need speakers for a bedroom -- but insight from those who are familiar with these models would be appreciated.

(PS, FWIW, this system is currently using two non-identical subs, an Emotiva X-Ref 10 and a DT SuperCube III, which sound surprisingly similar and were pretty easy to integrate.)

SM 350s should be a lot better. Bigger cabinets, bigger passive radiator...
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

I noticed the same thing with Pioneers too. At least with Def Tech speakers, Denon is def the way to go!

I second that:
Having used my Def Tech with Yamaha (now in my living room system), then Pioneer (failed outside of waranty), and now Denon - prior to the Denon I was thinking about swapping out the Def Techs with the Klipsch THX II speakers after hearing them in action. Once I had everything calibrated with Audyssey on the Denon, all thoughts of changing speakers disappeared.
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84

Updated, Pro Monitor 1000's for front height to go with 8060 towers, 8040 center, 8040 rears and hsu vtf-15h subwoofer. Re-ran audyssey and have some great results. Music coming from the front is amazing!

What receiver are you using I currently have a pioneer elite vsx-32 but am looking at a denon 3312 I had a onkyo receiver and I really miss my audyssey calibration I just started understanding how to used the mcacc and even with it tuned perfectly It just doesn't sound as good as the audyssey.

Edited by shadowfox2689 - Yesterday at 10:16 pm

I have an Onkyo tx-nr609. Everything about it is great except it only has audyssey 2eq so it doesn't eq the sub. I don't quite understand this as it sends a tone to the sub during the audyssey measuring process. But I only entered this realm of HT in the last few months. I am hoping to pull off a receiver here on the first of the month. I was looking at the Denon 3313. So what I know is I need audyssey multi eq mainly and other than that personal prefernces which isn't much. I do like the ability to go to 11.2 with the Denon with seperate amplifiers.
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Re-ran audyssey and have some great results.

Nonetheless it still sounds good with audyssey eq and manually tuning the sub.
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I recently picked up a Pro Cinema 800 set. I have it hooked up to an HTR-4065.

I was under the impression that the bookshelves would at least reach down to 80 Hz, but when I run YPAO it sets my cross over to 160 Hz, which is above the spec of the Pro Sub 800. Looking at the manual it mentions setting the cross over to 120 Hz, but also talks about connecting the speakers through the sub. That cross over is hard wired to 80 Hz. So I'm really not sure what I should be using.

Also, the speakers seem to be lacking in the mid range (I think?). I have plenty of volume to fill my room, but it doesn't seem like there's the full continuity of sound. The higher pitch sounds come through great, and the bass will rattle my floor, but there seems to be a whole in the middle. I'm not sure how else to describe it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

SM350 vs PM1000

Can anyone comment on this comparison? Are the 350's and the 1000's drivers identical?

I have four PM1000 and a PC2000 in a system that currently has mis-matched back surrounds (old CSW Ambience, nice neutral speakers but very power hungry). At the bargain price of $180 the pair I'm thinking the 350s could either replace my mains, if they match the PC2000, letting me move a pair of 1000s to the back, or that the 350s would be a close enough match that I could use them in the back.

I'll probably buy them anyway -- I need speakers for a bedroom -- but insight from those who are familiar with these models would be appreciated.

(PS, FWIW, this system is currently using two non-identical subs, an Emotiva X-Ref 10 and a DT SuperCube III, which sound surprisingly similar and were pretty easy to integrate.)
Hello RD, how've you been? The PM 1000 and 2000 have 1st generation BDSS drivers, whereas the SM 350 driver is pre-BDSS, so it is not an exact match for either. But we try to voice our products in a fairly consistent way, and my guess is that you'll move a pair of the 1000's to the rear and have a pretty sweet LCR mix for the money spent. Let us know how it turns out, OK? Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by dapala View Post

I just ordered the BP-8060st. It's placement will be 4 inches from the wall behind the speakers, is that too close? Even closer would be better but I think 4 would be max.

I was sold on the BP-8060st's because of the 6db decrease for rear output, and easier placement advertising of this speaker. And the really great free surrounds and center speaker deal.

The room is kinda small, about 20' wide by 15'. The tv needs to be next to the wall so the closer to the wall the speaker can sit, the better.
Hello Dapala, yes, 4 inches is enough to let the rear driver and tweeter breathe a little. At the price, you are getting a whole lot of speaker for the money, and my guess is you'll love them. "Toe-in" can help too, and doesn't move the speaker any further from the wall, so experiment with that a bit. Let us know how it turns out OK? Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Updated, Pro Monitor 1000's for front height to go with 8060 towers, 8040 center, 8040 rears and hsu vtf-15h subwoofer. Re-ran audyssey and have some great results. Music coming from the front is amazing!

Hello JL, it's great that you are loving your new set-up! Thanks for posting this - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by boondongle View Post

Thanks Joe.

Those Pinpoints are pretty cool. I like the idea of hanging them on the wall. Might even be able to convince my wife. Stands are always kind of funky looking. A little blue tak or museum putty as insurance wouldn't hurt either since the SM 350s have the 'sock' and the side grips might slip a little when things get loud. The only questionable part is running speaker cables through the wall. Our house turns 100 years old this year. Currently re-doing the kitchen as well (have to earn my toys somehow) and you'd be amazed at some of the 'surprises' we run into. But that's a different forum... smile.gif

At least I wouldn't have to drill holes in my new speakers though. I'm pretty good with stuff like that, and these speakers aren' *that* expensive, but I'd rather not screw them up (no pun intended) if I don't have to.

Those Sanus stands look kind of cheap and the Atlantic ones are actually kind of cool except for the cheap looking fake carbon fiber base plates.

These Transdeco's look nice but are a bit pricey. frown.gif

http://www.amazon.com/Fixed-Height-Speaker-Stand-Set/dp/B001PYV7LQ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1O44AD1XRNFCJ&coliid=I7XTD0N4239OP

I actually have space on my TV stand for the speakers - but they'd only be about 5.5' apart and I'd like to space them out a bit more for imaging sake.

I'll figure something out….

Thanks for your input!
You are welcome Boondongle, enjoy them. In my experience, one cold beer makes the system sound approximately 2% better, two improves it by about 3.5%... but eventually the curve turns the other direction, so be careful...smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

I recently picked up a Pro Cinema 800 set. I have it hooked up to an HTR-4065.

I was under the impression that the bookshelves would at least reach down to 80 Hz, but when I run YPAO it sets my cross over to 160 Hz, which is above the spec of the Pro Sub 800. Looking at the manual it mentions setting the cross over to 120 Hz, but also talks about connecting the speakers through the sub. That cross over is hard wired to 80 Hz. So I'm really not sure what I should be using.

Also, the speakers seem to be lacking in the mid range (I think?). I have plenty of volume to fill my room, but it doesn't seem like there's the full continuity of sound. The higher pitch sounds come through great, and the bass will rattle my floor, but there seems to be a whole in the middle. I'm not sure how else to describe it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
Hello Bai: It seems to me that the crossover is taking everything below 160 Hz out of the equation (except for the bass frequencies adn those according to you sound great), which would explain the "hole" you hear in the midrange. You'd be missing a lot of info above 80 but below 160. Can you manually over-ride your receiver's choice of 160 and set it lower, at 120 or so? Best, Joe
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This is a kudos shout out to Joeatdefinitive, Chet at tech support and to Definitive Technology. This company genuinely cares about the quality of the products they sell and the loyal customers who purchase their speakers. The amazing thing about Definitive Technology is the level of customer service this company offers their customer base AFTER the point of sale.

Many AVS members have conveyed numerous customer service related horror stories about huge named AV companies that do everything in their power to avoid honoring their warranty once the sale has been made, or they make it so hard to get help many AVS members have given up and vowed to never buy their products again (Just read the AVS owners threads and you will know who they are). From personal experience I can vouch for the fact that his is NOT the case with Definitive Technology! They go out of their way to make sure their customers are "satisfied customers" and they stand by what they sell, period!

I felt compelled to post this because nothing is more important to a company than positive "word of mouth" recommendations. They are worth their weight in gold and something money can't buy because positive reputations are EARNED, not bought. Time and time again, I have found Definitive Technology has earned my business and my trust.

If anyone is looking for a quality company selling exceptional speakers that stands by what they sell as well as their customers I want to strongly recommend you consider Definitive Technology... they will treat you right and you are going to Iove how good your speaker system sounds and how helpful Definitive Technology is at answering any questions or dealing with any "issues" you may have AFTER point of sale.

As for me, after several years of looking for "the perfect pair", I finally completed the last piece of our HT Def Tech surround system yesterday by purchasing a beautiful, pristine pair of lightly used Definitive Technology BPX speakers to serve as front-height speakers. Overkill? Possibly, but they match my existing BPX speakers, 7001SC mains and C/L/R center which are all powered by a PARASOUND HALO A51 and a PARASOUND HALO A23 (which powers the front-height speakers).

Yes, I am a "happy camper". smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Jmouse007 View Post

This is a kudos shout out to Joeatdefinitive, Chet at tech support and to Definitive Technology. This company genuinely cares about the quality of the products they sell and the loyal customers who purchase their speakers. The amazing thing about Definitive Technology is the level of customer service this company offers their customer base AFTER the point of sale.

Many AVS members have conveyed numerous customer service related horror stories about huge named AV companies that do everything in their power to avoid honoring their warranty once the sale has been made, or they make it so hard to get help many AVS members have given up and vowed to never buy their products again (Just read the AVS owners threads and you will know who they are). From personal experience I can vouch for the fact that his is NOT the case with Definitive Technology! They go out of their way to make sure their customers are "satisfied customers" and they stand by what they sell, period!

I felt compelled to post this because nothing is more important to a company than positive "word of mouth" recommendations. They are worth their weight in gold and something money can't buy because positive reputations are EARNED, not bought. Time and time again, I have found Definitive Technology has earned my business and my trust.

If anyone is looking for a quality company selling exceptional speakers that stands by what they sell as well as their customers I want to strongly recommend you consider Definitive Technology... they will treat you right and you are going to Iove how good your speaker system sounds and how helpful Definitive Technology is at answering any questions or dealing with any "issues" you may have AFTER point of sale.

As for me, after several years of looking for "the perfect pair", I finally completed the last piece of our HT Def Tech surround system yesterday by purchasing a beautiful, pristine pair of lightly used Definitive Technology BPX speakers to serve as front-height speakers. Overkill? Possibly, but they match my existing BPX speakers, 7001SC mains and C/L/R center which are all powered by a PARASOUND HALO A51 and a PARASOUND HALO A23 (which powers the front-height speakers).

Yes, I am a "happy camper". smile.gif

I fully agree...they are a great company and I'm proud to own definitive...wink.gif
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

I fully agree...they are a great company and I'm proud to own definitive...wink.gif
Thank you J Mouse for your kind words, and you too Josh. Our speakers sound great in my opinion, and the company really wants to have our customers be DT customers for life. It's cool to work at such a place smile.gif
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I'm going to have to agree as well. I haven't received my speakers yet but getting help and advice from a rep of the company speaks volumes about their passion.

When a company takes part in the community they are selling into, it's always a plus in my book.
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I felt compelled to post this because nothing is more important to a company than positive "word of mouth" recommendations. They are worth their weight in gold and something money can't buy because positive reputations are EARNED, not bought.

I joined this forum not knowing there was support from DT. I was simply looking to learn and reaped the benefits. And recently have become an owner of 7 DT speakers throughout my system. For me a positive experience is an important factor, especially return business! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

I fully agree...they are a great company and I'm proud to own definitive...wink.gif
Same here!
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couldn't agree more i love my def tech speakers and am currently thinking of purchasing a few more for when i move so i can do a 9.2 or even a 11.2 set up would
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hello Bai: It seems to me that the crossover is taking everything below 160 Hz out of the equation (except for the bass frequencies adn those according to you sound great), which would explain the "hole" you hear in the midrange. You'd be missing a lot of info above 80 but below 160. Can you manually over-ride your receiver's choice of 160 and set it lower, at 120 or so? Best, Joe

I was seeing a hole before running YPAO and the crossover had been set at 80 Hz. Right now I'm running it at 120 Hz and it still seems off.

Anything else I should look at?
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

I was seeing a hole before running YPAO and the crossover had been set at 80 Hz. Right now I'm running it at 120 Hz and it still seems off.

Anything else I should look at?

A good baseline would be:
The setting for the LFE filter should be 120. Make sure any filters on the sub are off or if you can't turn them off are set to 120 or higher.
Speakers should all be set to 'small' with a crossover point of 80.

If you still have a 'hole' in the sound, try calibrating for a different spot in the room and listening from there. it is possible that you are sitting in an acoustically dead spot, and no amount of 'room correction' in software will completely fix a null spot created by the natural acoustics in the room.
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This Definitive Forum is excellent!!!

I am looking for advice/opinion of fellow DefTech owners.

My Setup has changed recently and I have tried to decide how to connect ant setup my system.


Mitsubishi 73" DLP
Oppo BDP-103
Onkyo TX-NR809
BP7001SC fronts
CLR3000 center
Studio Monitor 450 rears
Studio Monitor 350 rear centers
2 Super Cube Reference
1 Super Cube One

My question is how should i hook up th BP7001SC. Should I run LFE to them or not? I have initially not run LFE to them and Audessy crosses them over at 40. When listening to music it seems like something is missing. If I change them to Full Range and turn on Double Bass music is sounds more complete. Not sure if I should run LFE to them since I have the 2 Reference and Supercube 1. Thoughts???


All comments appreciated. As I have learned over time that each person has different taste but I just want to make sure that I am not MISSING a possible better hook up. I am constantly changine Sub placement! The wife wants to make sure that when the action happens she can FEEL it!!!

Thanks
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Hi Joe-
You helped me out years back when one of the plastic binding posts broke on my BP8's. You sent me a couple of the newer metal binding posts for no charge. I sent you an e-mail thanking you & asking if you could send me a couple more so I could upgrade my BP10B's and to let me know the cost, you sent me those at no cost also. Customer Service in today's world seems to be a contradiction of terms (you know like: jumbo shrimp) to a lot of companies but not at Def Tech. Excellent products that are backed by outstanding Customer Service produce a winning combination. Thank you again for your help, Steve
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

A good baseline would be:
The setting for the LFE filter should be 120. Make sure any filters on the sub are off or if you can't turn them off are set to 120 or higher.
Speakers should all be set to 'small' with a crossover point of 80.

If you still have a 'hole' in the sound, try calibrating for a different spot in the room and listening from there. it is possible that you are sitting in an acoustically dead spot, and no amount of 'room correction' in software will completely fix a null spot created by the natural acoustics in the room.

What do you mean by LFE filter?

The knob on the sub is turned to 150(the highest setting) and the receiver crossover is set to 120.

I haven't had a chance to really listen to the system since I changed the crossover from 80 to 120.
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Originally Posted by jhdeftech View Post

This Definitive Forum is excellent!!!

I am looking for advice/opinion of fellow DefTech owners.

My Setup has changed recently and I have tried to decide how to connect ant setup my system.


Mitsubishi 73" DLP
Oppo BDP-103
Onkyo TX-NR809
BP7001SC fronts
CLR3000 center
Studio Monitor 450 rears
Studio Monitor 350 rear centers
2 Super Cube Reference
1 Super Cube One

My question is how should i hook up th BP7001SC. Should I run LFE to them or not? I have initially not run LFE to them and Audessy crosses them over at 40. When listening to music it seems like something is missing. If I change them to Full Range and turn on Double Bass music is sounds more complete. Not sure if I should run LFE to them since I have the 2 Reference and Supercube 1. Thoughts???


All comments appreciated. As I have learned over time that each person has different taste but I just want to make sure that I am not MISSING a possible better hook up. I am constantly changine Sub placement! The wife wants to make sure that when the action happens she can FEEL it!!!

Thanks

I feel the same way with my BP7000SC. Seems like a lack of lower mids/midbass in order to increase clarity in the mid range. I think it does come down to taste, however, I'm thinking adding wides with a speaker that has good lower mids/mid bass might help some. I'm going to try my CLR3000's, I just need a DSX AVR.
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

What do you mean by LFE filter?

The knob on the sub is turned to 150(the highest setting) and the receiver crossover is set to 120.

I haven't had a chance to really listen to the system since I changed the crossover from 80 to 120.

LFE filter is a setting in the receiver, may be called a crossover there (but I think it really is more of a filter than a crossover).

In the receiver the LFE setting should be at 120. There should also be separate settings for each speaker - set them all to 'small' and make sure the crossover for each is set to 80. You can go back and set crossover points lower or speakers to 'large' later if you want, small and 80 is just a good baseline setup that should work with any decent speakers.

If you still have a problem after those are set/confirmed then try moving your listening position and/or your speakers around. Rooms have natural spots where specific frequencies are boosted/cut by the way the sound is bouncing around in the room. Moving the speakers or the listening location by even just a few inches can make a difference.
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

LFE filter is a setting in the receiver, may be called a crossover there (but I think it really is more of a filter than a crossover).

In the receiver the LFE setting should be at 120. There should also be separate settings for each speaker - set them all to 'small' and make sure the crossover for each is set to 80. You can go back and set crossover points lower or speakers to 'large' later if you want, small and 80 is just a good baseline setup that should work with any decent speakers.

If you still have a problem after those are set/confirmed then try moving your listening position and/or your speakers around. Rooms have natural spots where specific frequencies are boosted/cut by the way the sound is bouncing around in the room. Moving the speakers or the listening location by even just a few inches can make a difference.

My speakers are set to small. I didn't see individual crossover settings, though. Just the one that YPAO had set to 160 Hz.
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Originally Posted by Bai Shen View Post

My speakers are set to small. I didn't see individual crossover settings, though. Just the one that YPAO had set to 160 Hz.

Been too long since I needed to mess with my Yamaha's settings - if you only have one crossover to choose from anywhere in the system then I would expect that to be a universal crossover for the main speakers. Do you have a single crossover setting and a 'bass out' (or similar) setting? If so, try setting the crossover to 80 and the bass out to 'subwoofer'. Look in the 'bass management' menu, and also review that section of your manual.

What you want to try to achieve is the LFE data going to the subwoofer and have the main speakers set with an 80Hz crossover point. I'm so used to having separate crossovers for each speaker group and a separate LFE filter that I forgot that Yamaha sometimes only has the one universal setting and calls their LFE setting 'bass out'.
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

Been too long since I needed to mess with my Yamaha's settings - if you only have one crossover to choose from anywhere in the system then I would expect that to be a universal crossover for the main speakers. Do you have a single crossover setting and a 'bass out' (or similar) setting? If so, try setting the crossover to 80 and the bass out to 'subwoofer'. Look in the 'bass management' menu, and also review that section of your manual.

What you want to try to achieve is the LFE data going to the subwoofer and have the main speakers set with an 80Hz crossover point. I'm so used to having separate crossovers for each speaker group and a separate LFE filter that I forgot that Yamaha sometimes only has the one universal setting and calls their LFE setting 'bass out'.

Not sure. I'll take a look at it tonight when I get a chance.
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This Definitive Forum is excellent!!!

I am looking for advice/opinion of fellow DefTech owners.

My Setup has changed recently and I have tried to decide how to connect ant setup my system.


Mitsubishi 73" DLP
Oppo BDP-103
Onkyo TX-NR809
BP7001SC fronts
CLR3000 center
Studio Monitor 450 rears
Studio Monitor 350 rear centers
2 Super Cube Reference
1 Super Cube One

My question is how should i hook up th BP7001SC. Should I run LFE to them or not? I have initially not run LFE to them and Audessy crosses them over at 40. When listening to music it seems like something is missing. If I change them to Full Range and turn on Double Bass music is sounds more complete. Not sure if I should run LFE to them since I have the 2 Reference and Supercube 1. Thoughts???


All comments appreciated. As I have learned over time that each person has different taste but I just want to make sure that I am not MISSING a possible better hook up. I am constantly changine Sub placement! The wife wants to make sure that when the action happens she can FEEL it!!!

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I have 8060 towers with an hsu vtf-15h subwoofer (it's a 15inch beast!). and other DT speakers that make up my 7.1 system. I had all these same questions at first. Originally I set crossovers to the towers at 80hz with the bass knobs at 12 o'clock. I had it that way for about a week and I felt it lacked in the midbass department. Highs were/are great with all the DT aluminum tweaters coming at me, deep bass was ridiculous with the sub, but it felt 'incomplete' to me. After I mounted my front high speakers and re-ran audyssey it set my center and L/R towers at 40hz, front highs at 70hz and surrounds at 150hz. I fired up some music and immediatley noticed the better mid's. I tweaked the db settings and put my towers at +3b (why not give the ferrari's a little more juice?) center to -1db and front highs at 0db. Of course those are personal preference for me and the "plz2 music setting I perfer with my Onkyo AVR. I believe not only the built in tower subs were handling the mid's better but also the midrange drivers as the can replicate mid's below 80hz quite well. I did feel this took away some from the sub so I bumped the center and towers to 50hz which was even better. The best example was with the strumming of accoustic guitars, the mid's were amazing! not a empty sound but full. Like it was in the room. Also I read with audyssey it's okay to raise your crossovers but never lower them. I'll probably settle on 60hz, maybe, as there will be some rolloff. hope this helps from someone on the same quest of powered towers and subs together.
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^I am fairly new in my knowledge so please feel free to comment on mis information.
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