Definitive Owners Thread - Page 940

Originally Posted by josh6113 

Could you post a pic of the room?

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

Here is a thread i started not too long ago and it has some pics of the room:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450100/new-audio-theater-setup-help-needed#post_22818016

Originally Posted by josh6113 

Thx...I think the 8060's will do great in that room...I own them and they can get louder than you can stand..but like others stated if you want true thump then a dedicated sub will help...

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

Thank you so much! Do you know much about the Polk LSi series and if these are better, on par, etc.? also, for the money with the 5.1 setup being 2k on amazon right now, can you find anything better, in your opinion of course I dont have a lot of high end shops around me to demo stuff. Minnesota only has Best Buy Magnolia rooms. Lucky me, right! haha

Originally Posted by josh6113 

I've never heard the Polk LSI speakers but the definitive are 92 db sensitive so they are very easy to drive and there 10 inch sub puts out really nice thump...plus the bipolar aspect really fills a room.With the deal for 5 speakers for 2000 that really is a great deal...but regarding which is better?...that really depends on you and what YOU like...but rest easy as the deftech's are hard to beat in there class...

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

Thank you! I'm looking at the pioneer 1222k. Will thatbe pplenty for these? Will I eventually want a external amp? Such decisions.

Originally Posted by josh6113 

The pioneer should be fine
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/SC-1222-K

And as for sub people really rave about HSU
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

One of the nice things about the 8060 setup is the subs in them are great for the front so a seperate sub in your system will give you more placement options around the room to find a good spot for it.

Originally Posted by jlpowell84 

If she is a factor the 15h may be an issue then. I think the sc 4000 performs well in a compact size. hsu also makes smaller ones too. Best of luck in your search!

Originally Posted by kerednai 

Well unless anyone stops me I am going to go with the SVS PC12-NSD http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/pc12-nsd#.UQP-RydX2So
Its 3ft high but the other half like the fact that it takes up less floor space as its not as deep :-)
Going to speak to SVS on Monday but its pretty much a done deal in my mind :-) Hopefully it will work well for movies and music.

Originally Posted by josh6113 

The one thing about the definitive towers is they are unique from other speakers because they do have powered subs in them.I run mine large myself with no problems.I have a pioneer elite vsx-60 90 wpc and in my settings when you setup your speakers and say your fronts are large there is a setting to have the sub set to on and plus.With the plus option lfe will goto the towers plus your external sub.I run my system flat myself as in no eq settings except for distance and I enjoy it better that way but to get a sub to handle what you want just set its crossover where you need it.

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

So lets say i set the fronts to Large, how would i be able to still add a dedicated sub (Lets say HSU 15) and have the fronts still pick up the 50 range and the sub do the work from 20-50? Am I going about this all wrong?

Originally Posted by josh6113 

With your towers set to large and hooked up speaker wire only the towers will get the full audio spectrum...and let's say your other speakers center and surrounds you set small with an 80hz crossover and then hook your sub up to reciever via lfe you would then set sub crossover to 50 hz to handle that and below.I am pretty sure thats how it works...lol...I havent owned a sub for a while but I think thats right.Like I said in your avr settings set sub to plus so the external sub plays.Then I think you are good to go...

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

You are very informative This is making sense. So, i just wouldnt utilize the LFE settings on the front L/R if i had a dedicated sub? Do i miss out on anything by doing that. Also, I am considering the Pioneer 1222k and that AVR only has a global xo. So is this an issue where i couldnt set a seperate sub xo at 50Hz? That is what i would be concerned about.

Originally Posted by josh6113 

Thanks...I try.....and no you won't miss anything...having the towers large and with just a speaker wire hookup they will get the full signal and the crossovers in the towers will handle the blending for themselves.I think all pioneers have a global crossover...mine does.Also the only reason to hook lfe up to towers would be if you didn't have a seperate sub so you could treat the towers subs as external.Like I said with the towers large and with the center and surrounds small with an 80 hz global crossover you would then set sub to on or plus and set the sub crossover where you need it.

Originally Posted by Kurolicious 

The Direct or Pure Direct modes do not change the speakers to full range. These modes simply eliminate any processing such as EQ and Standing Wave. If your speakers are set to Small with a crossover, the Direct and Pure Direct modes just use the Channel Level, Speaker Distance and Crossover setting that was selected during the initial set up. The only way to get full range is to manually go into the System Setup menu and change the speakers to Large.

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

so even with pioneer and a global xo, ywll set the xo for the sub to lets say 50 so anything going below 50 will divert from the Large fronts to the sub?

Originally Posted by josh6113 

No the fronts will get the full signal but the sub will kick in where you set its crossover to...there is a gain knob on the towers for the bass to increase or decrease the signal.

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

so even with pioneer and a global xo, you can still set the xo for the sub to lets say 50 so anything going below 50 will divert from the Large fronts to the sub?

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

So on the pioneer is there a seperate xo for the sub even though they say it has a global xo? If not, how would i diver anything below 50 to the sub if i have the global xo set to lets say 80 so i can preserve the centers/surrounds.

Originally Posted by UofAZ1 

Only use the global crossover for what your smallest speaker can handle. If you set to 50Hz and your rear speakers can only get down to 100Hz you'll be overdriving them and introducing distortion. If all your speakers can handle 50Hz than by all means go for it. Global crossovers are the one downfall of Pioneer when people rarely have matching speakers all around.

Originally Posted by UofAZ1 

You can't if you set to 80Hz all your speakers will send everything below 80Hz to the sub ( which btw is what THX recommends). Your only alternative is to buy a receiver with the ability to adjust each speakers crossover point like Denon and Onkyo.

Thanks...I try.....and no you won't miss anything...having the towers large and with just a speaker wire hookup they will get the full signal and the crossovers in the towers will handle the blending for themselves.I think all pioneers have a global crossover...mine does.Also the only reason to hook lfe up to towers would be if you didn't have a seperate sub so you could treat the towers subs as external.Like I said with the towers large and with the center and surrounds small with an 80 hz global crossover you would then set sub to on or plus and set the sub crossover where you need it.

But really I would first get the speakers and test them out for a while...if you then decide you want a sub then go for it but you might like the bass from the towers and wait a bit for a sub...

Originally Posted by jlpowell84 

I agree with this. My towers came in on a tuesday. I brought them home and thought, 'why did I order a vtf-15h?' Because the bass was pretty good. I even played 'bass head' from 'bass nectar,' and I could hear the bass in the middle of my street. Of course now I have it all blended, well still toying...

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

I think this is the first time i have seen someone on this forum recommend i NOT spend more money, haha. Thank you for that and you are probably right. In that case, would I utilize the LFE and speaker wire on the 8060 towers? That way, if i set the crossover to 80Hz, I will still get the subs to kick in on the towers below that range?

Originally Posted by UofAZ1 

Try it both ways and see what is more pleasing to the ears. From what I understand the built in subs are best used as mid bass subs (40-80Hz) and not really for bass below 30Hz if you use the LFE input you'll be sending everything below your set crossover to the towers and external sub. Your external sub will be able to handle the bass way better than the built in subs in the towers. But as mentions your results may vary. I have the BP7001's which have way better sub response than the 8060's and I would never send them a full range signal as the bass from the towers becomes muddy sounding as compared to the tight well controlled bass when I set the speakers to small with a 40Hz crossover.

Jlpowell to get bass from the towers and sub both you need to set your receiver not to "Full Band" but "Full Band Plus" if you set to Full your towers will get the full signal and send nothing from the front speakers to the sub. But on Full Band Plus it will send whatever bass your sending to the mains also to your sub.

Jlpowell to get bass from the towers and sub both you need to set your receiver not to "Full Band" but "Full Band Plus" if you set to Full your towers will get the full signal and send nothing from the front speakers to the sub. But on Full Band Plus it will send whatever bass your sending to the mains also to your sub.