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^I guess setting to full band and saying subwoofer yes is 'full band plus.'
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^just different AVR jargon
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Well right now I the 8060's set to full band and it's definitely sending to the sub. I have the speakers connected via speaker wire and my HSU VTF-15H connected via LFE. I tested out the opening scene on the 'Hurt Locker." The 15H was insane, almost too much. I don't have a logical answer for this but the towers mid's and tweeter's are playing louder since changing to full band. I did dial the gain knobs on the towers back to 11 o'clock. Any thoughts?

Your getting the bass from your center and surrounds. Since the center handles more than 50% of movie soundtracks its no doubt your getting bass from your sub. But if you just set to Full Band the mains will transmit all the bass that is sent it's way and not send anything to the sub unless you hit Full Band Plus which is your way of telling the receiver to not only send the mains bass but to also send it to the external sub.
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

So if i don't get an external sub right away and see if i like the bass from the towers, what is the best way to do this 5.1 setup? Do i not use LFE? For example:

8060 fronts: Set to Large, no LFE only use L/R speaker wire
8040 center: Small
8040 surrounds: small
Pioneer 1222k: set cross over to 80Hz?

In order to get that mid (40Hz - 80Hz) out of the towers, would I need to use the LFE but risk the bass becoming muddy when it tries to handle 20-30?

With no sub no matter if you use LFE or speaker wire all your bass is going to go to your Mains. I would set to Large and watch the gain level on your towers till you can afford to buy a decent sub to surpass your towers in bass.
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

So if i don't get an external sub right away and see if i like the bass from the towers, what is the best way to do this 5.1 setup? Do i not use LFE? For example:

8060 fronts: Set to Large, no LFE only use L/R speaker wire
8040 center: Small
8040 surrounds: small
Pioneer 1222k: set cross over to 80Hz?

In order to get that mid (40Hz - 80Hz) out of the towers, would I need to use the LFE but risk the bass becoming muddy when it tries to handle 20-30?

This is how I would set them up first...set fronts to large connected with speaker wire then have center and surrounds at 80 hz crossover...do this maually first before running MCACC and play some movies and music...see how you like it.If after it doesnt sound right to you then run MCACC and if you like the eq settings leave them and enjoy...one of the fun things about home theater is messing around and seeing what different things you can do...try not to get caught up if your doing things right because there isnt a right or wrong way....its about what you like and what makes you happy!...cheers..:)Now get the system and invite us all over for a movie...wink.gif

Take care bud,
Josh
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

^I guess setting to full band and saying subwoofer yes is 'full band plus.'

No it's not the same as mentioned above Full Band just tells the receiver to send all your front speakers bass to the front speakers and not the sub. You need Full Band Plus to tell the receiver to send bass from the fronts also to the sub.
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

This is how I would set them up first...set fronts to large connected with speaker wire then have center and surrounds at 80 hz crossover...do this maually first before running MCACC and play some movies and music...see how you like it.If after it doesnt sound right to you then run MCACC and if you like the eq settings leave them and enjoy...one of the fun things about home theater is messing around and seeing what different things you can do...try not to get caught up if your doing things right because there isnt a right or wrong way....its about what you like and what makes you happy!...cheers..:)Now get the system and invite us all over for a movie...wink.gif

Take care bud,
Josh

You are all invited, beer is on me! Thanks for the reassurance. So if i set the speakers to Large, does that mean the crossover of 80Hz does not apply to them? What would be the advantage/disadvantage of LFE, it sounds like LFE, everything goes to the speaker

When adding the sub, am i wasting the impact of the 8060 towers if i cross over at 80hz (to minimize impact to center/surrounds)

Thanks a lot to all of you,
Dan
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Originally Posted by EnjoyingMyRide View Post

Hi Joe-
You helped me out years back when one of the plastic binding posts broke on my BP8's. You sent me a couple of the newer metal binding posts for no charge. I sent you an e-mail thanking you & asking if you could send me a couple more so I could upgrade my BP10B's and to let me know the cost, you sent me those at no cost also. Customer Service in today's world seems to be a contradiction of terms (you know like: jumbo shrimp) to a lot of companies but not at Def Tech. Excellent products that are backed by outstanding Customer Service produce a winning combination. Thank you again for your help, Steve
Hi Steve, Boondoggle, Shadowfax, JLP... thank you for your kind words. You guys are making me blush! I am glad that you are all digging your speakers, and thanks for owning Definitive. We promise to keep taking care of our customers and creating speakers that make you smile.
I am off to the ISE show in Amsterdam, sorry if I am not on the site much during the next week or so.

Remember that you can always contact TJ, Adam and Chet in our tech support for specifc questions:
info@definitivetech.com, or 800-228-7148. Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by ceh383 View Post

joeatdefinitive,

Question, Why does the DefTech web site say the BP8060ST's have 1 10" driver and 1 10" passive radiator?

Mine seem to have 1 driver and 2 passive radiators....
Hi CEH, oops... that's a mistake on our new site. Of course they have two. Thank you for pointing this out :-)
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No it's not the same as mentioned above Full Band just tells the receiver to send all your front speakers bass to the front speakers and not the sub. You need Full Band Plus to tell the receiver to send bass from the fronts also to the sub.

Different AVR's have different ways of saying the same thing. On my Onkyo there is no 'full band plus.' There is 'full band' for fronts and subwoofer yes or no. So setting front speakers to full band and setting subwoofer to yes is the same thing as full band plus. Bass goes to both my towers and sub in this setting. Just to be on the same page. My sub is connected directly to my AVR via LFE and my fronts via speaker wire from AVR.
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

So if i don't get an external sub right away and see if i like the bass from the towers, what is the best way to do this 5.1 setup? Do i not use LFE? For example:

8060 fronts: Set to Large, no LFE only use L/R speaker wire
8040 center: Small
8040 surrounds: small
Pioneer 1222k: set cross over to 80Hz?

In order to get that mid (40Hz - 80Hz) out of the towers, would I need to use the LFE but risk the bass becoming muddy when it tries to handle 20-30?

I have a Denon, but that sounds like a good start. The only reason I can think where you want to use the LFE input it to maybe add a little more bass when there is LFE content. I think you can adjust the LFE gain in most AVRs...anyone know for sure? I have a subwoofer so never really messed with it much since I tend to get lost in the Denon 2808 menus lol
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Different AVR's have different ways of saying the same thing. On my Onkyo there is no 'full band plus.' There is 'full band' for fronts and subwoofer yes or no. So setting front speakers to full band and setting subwoofer to yes is the same thing as full band plus. Bass goes to both my towers and sub in this setting. Just to be on the same page. My sub is connected directly to my AVR via LFE and my fronts via speaker wire from AVR.

Jlpowell hmmm cause I was using my Onkyo 805 as a reference and under speaker settings it allows Full Band or Full Band Plus. Later models must have changed this feature ( shows you how "old school" I am ). Do what works for you then.
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

I have a Denon, but that sounds like a good start. The only reason I can think where you want to use the LFE input it to maybe add a little more bass when there is LFE content. I think you can adjust the LFE gain in most AVRs...anyone know for sure? I have a subwoofer so never really messed with it much since I tend to get lost in the Denon 2808 menus lol

I have the Denon 3808ci in my master bedroom system. Yes you can adjust the gain via the receiver but I would just leave it at zero and adjust manually with the subs gain dial till you find the level that works best. Either way will work though. But since he doesn't have a subwoofer all bass is automatically going to be sent to his towers depending on what he sends his global crossover at. So he might as well just use speaker wire and adjust the gain dial on the back of his tower. Keep it simple.
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

I have a Denon, but that sounds like a good start. The only reason I can think where you want to use the LFE input it to maybe add a little more bass when there is LFE content. I think you can adjust the LFE gain in most AVRs...anyone know for sure? I have a subwoofer so never really messed with it much since I tend to get lost in the Denon 2808 menus lol

So if i leave my fronts set to Large, does the 80Hz crossover only apply to the centers and mains? That way they will absorb the lower frequencies?
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

So if i leave my fronts set to Large, does the 80Hz crossover only apply to the centers and mains? That way they will absorb the lower frequencies?
The 80hz crossover will effect your center and surrounds...wont effect your towers when they are set to large...wink.gif
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

The 80hz crossover will effect your center and surrounds...wont effect your towers when they are set to large...wink.gif

All of this talk is just making me want to click the "add to cart" and "checkout" buttons smile.gif They are 2k on both amazon and ebay from authorized dealers (ListenUp and Audiolab) does anyone have a preference on what is better?

I was watching the crutchfield review and the guy mentioned you could even have the 8040 center set to Large. Does anyone have any thoughts or comments on that?
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

All of this talk is just making me want to click the "add to cart" and "checkout" buttons smile.gif They are 2k on both amazon and ebay from authorized dealers (ListenUp and Audiolab) does anyone have a preference on what is better?

I was watching the crutchfield review and the guy mentioned you could even have the 8040 center set to Large. Does anyone have any thoughts or comments on that?
The 8040 center only has a passive radiator so it won't go low especially at extreme high volume...80 will keep it where is should be but like I said try it out both ways and see what you think...its a great center...ive heard it so rest easy...wink.gif...and ofcourse you should buy...wink.gif...you will really enjoy it...as a preferance where to buy I couldnt say just make sure its from an authorized dealer and your good to go...wink.gif
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Oh Hell no don't set the 8040 to large. It only has two 4.5" drivers and an oval passive radiator. The PR is not I repeat NOT a subwoofer it's more of a port plug. If you set that center to Large you'll blow out the drivers in no time flat. With that center I would set the crossover at 120Hz and be cautious at the volume I play it at.
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Oh Hell no don't set the 8040 to large. It only has two 4.5" drivers and an oval passive radiator. The PR is not I repeat NOT a subwoofer it's more of a port plug. If you set that center to Large you'll blow out the drivers in no time flat. With that center I would set the crossover at 120Hz and be cautious at the volume I play it at.

Heed his warning too...he is correct...smile.gif
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Oh Hell no don't set the 8040 to large. It only has two 4.5" drivers and an oval passive radiator. The PR is not I repeat NOT a subwoofer it's more of a port plug. If you set that center to Large you'll blow out the drivers in no time flat. With that center I would set the crossover at 120Hz and be cautious at the volume I play it at.

Warning taken smile.gif I dont think i could set it to 120Hz though. if i go with the pioneer 1222k i only have one global xo setting. So if i set the center/surrounds to small i was going to do 80Hz, is that too low? I was going to leave the Fronts at Large and let those handle bass lower than 80Hz
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Warning taken smile.gif I dont think i could set it to 120Hz though. if i go with the pioneer 1222k i only have one global xo setting. So if i set the center/surrounds to small i was going to do 80Hz, is that too low? I was going to leave the Fronts at Large and let those handle bass lower than 80Hz
80 is fine its what definitive recommends...smile.gif
http://www.definitivetech.com/products/cs-8040hd
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

80 is fine its what definitive recommends...smile.gif
http://www.definitivetech.com/products/cs-8040hd

I got off with a specialist from audiolab, not sure about ListenUp, bug AL has their deal going through 1/31. Looks like I only have a couple days to pull the trigger on this one. Ok, phew, i will keep the center and surrounds at 80Hz. Glad I have you guys to save me from ruining everything, hah. I should be smarter than this, lesson learned and i wont forget
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Hello everyone, I am now a new proud owner of the best HT speakers I have ever had. BP 8060ST - CS 8060HD - SR 8040BP - with a Velodyne Dps-12 sub. I can not wait to get these home as I have always wanted a Def Tech HT set up. I am just trying to decide on a Receiver for these babies, either Pioneer Elite or Denon. Leaning towards Pioneer because of previous experience, just harder to find here in Alberta Canada. I can't find a Elite dealer anywhere ??

For now I have Harman Kardon AVR-500 which in it's day was a pretty good Receiver. If any of you have some input on a good Receiver for these power house speakers, let me know.

Thanx
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

I got off with a specialist from audiolab, not sure about ListenUp, bug AL has their deal going through 1/31. Looks like I only have a couple days to pull the trigger on this one. Ok, phew, i will keep the center and surrounds at 80Hz. Glad I have you guys to save me from ruining everything, hah. I should be smarter than this, lesson learned and i wont forget
Not a problem that's what were here for...and in your post you said you got off with a specialist...I presume you meant got off the phone...smile.gif...I'm just making you laugh bud...lol...so order em up and don't hesitate to P.M. me or the other guys if you need help...smile.gif...cheers!
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

Not a problem that's what were here for...and in your post you said you got off with a specialist...I presume you meant got off the phone...smile.gif...I'm just making you laugh bud...lol...so order em up and don't hesitate to P.M. me or the other guys if you need help...smile.gif...cheers!

HAHAHAH, FML, "thats what she said". I need to proof read before I hit send. I deserved that one, lol. I am actually laughing over hear and my wife is looking at my like i am nuts! However, no, it wasnt the phone, i was doing a live chat. This is just getting worse by the minute, isnt it?
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

HAHAHAH, FML, "thats what she said". I need to proof read before I hit send. I deserved that one, lol. I am actually laughing over hear and my wife is looking at my like i am nuts! However, no, it wasnt the phone, i was doing a live chat. This is just getting worse by the minute, isnt it?
Lol...well if ya did get off at least it was live chat...lol...sry had to do it...smile.gif...glad your getting the speakers...keep us posted...smile.gif...I've got a warped sense of humor..lol...but don't we all?..smile.gif
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Hey at one point we were all asking the same questions and learning like you are. We are just returning the favor.
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Hey at one point we were all asking the same questions and learning like you are. We are just returning the favor.

Thank you! You and Josh have been extremely helpful!! Now, here is another question to ponder. I can get the 8060 towers, 8040 center and 8040 surrounds for 2k. Is the 8060 center that much better where it is worth the $200 upgrade? Audiolab offered that to me. Part of me wants to stick with the 8040 center because im already shelling out 2k. My wife will have my balls if she knows how much i am spending, haha
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi Steve, Boondoggle, Shadowfax, JLP... thank you for your kind words. You guys are making me blush! I am glad that you are all digging your speakers, and thanks for owning Definitive. We promise to keep taking care of our customers and creating speakers that make you smile.
I am off to the ISE show in Amsterdam, sorry if I am not on the site much during the next week or so.

Remember that you can always contact TJ, Adam and Chet in our tech support for specifc questions:
info@definitivetech.com, or 800-228-7148. Best, Joe

GREAT POST...All I buy anymore is Def Tech....people can talk all the smack they want all I know is all 3 rooms I have with systems are ALL Def Tech (except the receivers of course) and they ROCK!!! I feel my rooms are like going to the IMAX theater!!!! LOL . As was said here "Customer Service" will keep people coming back...I had a small issue with one of my speakers and I called and Chet was all over it, he asked if I was handy with a screw driver and walked me through taking apart a speaker and doing an easy fix rather than all the time it would have taken to send back. Then I had some questions on what systems would sound together and Joe helped out on here and I called Chet too...both were very helpful...SUPER COOL and we appreciate it.

I just bought some SM 350's to go as surounds for a set of 450's...I gotta put this habit down!!!!

Thanks Def Tech!!!!

T
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

Lol...well if ya did get off at least it was live chat...lol...sry had to do it...smile.gif...glad your getting the speakers...keep us posted...smile.gif...I've got a warped sense of humor..lol...but don't we all?..smile.gif

Fact!! I think most people or at least guys have some warped sense of humor. At least i know me and my friends do. Maybe i just need new friends smile.gif
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