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1/26/13 at 2:12pm
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1/26/13 at 2:50pm
Afternoon folks

I'm currently running a pair of BP2002 as mains with a Procenter 1000, but am curious for opinions on what might be a good replacement for the 1000? What would be a "good match" to go with my 2002s and how much would I need to spend to see a noticeable improvement? FWIW, It would need to fit into a space that is 22" wide and only 6" tall in my entertainment center, so this eliminates some of the options unfortunately...

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1/26/13 at 3:17pm
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Thank you! You and Josh have been extremely helpful!! Now, here is another question to ponder. I can get the 8060 towers, 8040 center and 8040 surrounds for 2k. Is the 8060 center that much better where it is worth the $200 upgrade? Audiolab offered that to me. Part of me wants to stick with the 8040 center because im already shelling out 2k. My wife will have my balls if she knows how much i am spending, haha

If you can swing it, yes.
Get the best center you can afford.
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1/26/13 at 3:17pm
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Afternoon folks

I'm currently running a pair of BP2002 as mains with a Procenter 1000, but am curious for opinions on what might be a good replacement for the 1000? What would be a "good match" to go with my 2002s and how much would I need to spend to see a noticeable improvement? FWIW, It would need to fit into a space that is 22" wide and only 6" tall in my entertainment center, so this eliminates some of the options unfortunately...

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The CLR 2002 or 2500 would be the matching centers, but they're both 6 3/4" tall. If you could somehow make it work, you should be able to find a CLR 2002 for ~$150 used, so it's not an expensive upgrade, but I think it would sound significantly better than the procenter 1000.

A new CS-8060HD or below model center are only 5 3/4" tall, but they also have smaller and different style drivers, so I don't know how well they would match. If that would be the only option, someone might know if that would be better than the procenter 1000 or not. A new center would also cost a lot more and most likely not match as well as a CLR 2002, though.

The top sub in the 8060 would probably not work well with only 1/4" of room above it though, so I think your option are very limited with the small of a space.
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1/26/13 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thank you! You and Josh have been extremely helpful!! Now, here is another question to ponder. I can get the 8060 towers, 8040 center and 8040 surrounds for 2k. Is the 8060 center that much better where it is worth the $200 upgrade? Audiolab offered that to me. Part of me wants to stick with the 8040 center because im already shelling out 2k. My wife will have my balls if she knows how much i am spending, haha

I would think so. For the 200.00 your paying for a powered 8" subwoofer which will help get you into the 40-60Hz range as opposed to to the 8040 with no built in powered sub and the best you'll do with the 8040 is around the 100Hz range.
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1/26/13 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Oh Hell no don't set the 8040 to large. It only has two 4.5" drivers and an oval passive radiator. The PR is not I repeat NOT a subwoofer it's more of a port plug. If you set that center to Large you'll blow out the drivers in no time flat. With that center I would set the crossover at 120Hz and be cautious at the volume I play it at.

I think this might be a bit overstated guys. :-)
I'm not a DefTech engineer yet am pretty sure that DT has the internal crossover engineered to protect the drivers regardless of what your AVR is set to. So IMHO I doubt he would blow the drivers in short order.

Now, I too would still set the AVR to the 80-120Hz range not due to a concern over the small drivers yet rather send the center low freqs to a speaker/sub that can/"will" actually reproduce those freqs etc.

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post #28237 of 29423
1/26/13 at 4:18pm
Quick question guys, clr2002 vs 8040cs vs bp8b as a center speaker? My mains are bp8b currently using a pro center 2000 and been wanting to upgrade my center. Any thoughts??Thanks
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1/26/13 at 4:32pm
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The CLR 2002 or 2500 would be the matching centers, but they're both 6 3/4" tall. If you could somehow make it work, you should be able to find a CLR 2002 for ~$150 used, so it's not an expensive upgrade, but I think it would sound significantly better than the procenter 1000.

A new CS-8060HD or below model center are only 5 3/4" tall, but they also have smaller and different style drivers, so I don't know how well they would match. If that would be the only option, someone might know if that would be better than the procenter 1000 or not. A new center would also cost a lot more and most likely not match as well as a CLR 2002, though.

The top sub in the 8060 would probably not work well with only 1/4" of room above it though, so I think your option are very limited with the small of a space.

Yeah I worry about how the bass driver would act being "boxed in a box". I also wonder that, despite being different drivers in the current DT lineup, if Audyssey would be able to adjust things for me?
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post #28239 of 29423
1/26/13 at 4:59pm
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Jlpowell hmmm cause I was using my Onkyo 805 as a reference and under speaker settings it allows Full Band or Full Band Plus. Later models must have changed this feature ( shows you how "old school" I am ). Do what works for you then.

I have a Onkyo tx-nr609. It's a lowerish level model. It only has the option for full band, no full band plus. But right above it has the option for subwoofer yes or no. Anyway I am looking at a used Denon 3312 from a longtime member on this site for 600 shipped/paypal fees. He has 20 positive feedback ratings. Mostly sold items and a few bought. Or I was thinking of a new Marantz 5007 from the dealer I bought my Definitive speakers from. I might pull the trigger on the Denon.

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I got off with a specialist from audiolab, not sure about ListenUp, bug AL has their deal going through 1/31. Looks like I only have a couple days to pull the trigger on this one. Ok, phew, i will keep the center and surrounds at 80Hz. Glad I have you guys to save me from ruining everything, hah. I should be smarter than this, lesson learned and i wont forget

Why don't you look for the closest respectable dealer to you, call and oder from them. All the authorized dealers should honor this deal. Buy over the phone with your card and have them ship them to you. Then you don't have to worry about shady online dealers.
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1/26/13 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Yeah I worry about how the bass driver would act being "boxed in a box". I also wonder that, despite being different drivers in the current DT lineup, if Audyssey would be able to adjust things for me?

I think the procenter 1000 has similar drivers to the 8060 center; they are both different than the drivers in your BP2002s though. If you like the procenter and it matches well for you, then I wouldn't think the newer center wouldn't be a problem.

The only option you have, pretty much, is a CS-8040HD, which you might be able to find for cheaper from someone trying to upgrade the one they got in the 8060 tower bundle. I don't know if the passive radiator would need as much room as the powered woofer in the 8060 center would though, or how much different it would sound than the procenter. I would bet stuffing a passive radiator 1/4" from a wall wouldn't work well either though.

Unless you have a large, expensive entertainment center now, I would probably get a more accommodating one and a CLR 2002 that would match and sound much better than spending $500-700 on a new center that probably won't even work in that space. I've seen CLR 2002s used for $100, which would leave several hundred left over for a new entertainment center and would leave you with a better sounding and timbre matching center as well.

If that's not an option, I would probably just stick with the procenter for now. I'm pretty sure 1/4" is just too little room for the top woofer/radiator on the new centers.
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1/26/13 at 5:49pm
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Quick question guys, clr2002 vs 8040cs vs bp8b as a center speaker? My mains are bp8b currently using a pro center 2000 and been wanting to upgrade my center. Any thoughts??Thanks

Another BP8B would be the best center, if you have room for it. A CLR 2002 would be the best bet for a 'normal' center channel, it uses the same size and style of drivers as the BP8s. An 8040 would cost a lot more than a used CLR 2002 and has smaller and different style drivers compared to the BP8s.
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1/26/13 at 5:51pm
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I would think so. For the 200.00 your paying for a powered 8" subwoofer which will help get you into the 40-60Hz range as opposed to to the 8040 with no built in powered sub and the best you'll do with the 8040 is around the 100Hz range.

Would i run this center as a Large speaker then are still small if i got the 8060 centter?
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1/26/13 at 5:58pm
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Would i run this center as a Large speaker then are still small if i got the 8060 centter?

Still set crossover on it. it would act as a good mid bass sub. It's not designed to hit 20-30hz so don't tell it to try which is what you would be doing if you set it to large. Although you could try it and turned down the gain knob on the back of the center speaker. I wouldn't worry about the 8060 center. Pretty sure it has the same exact drivers as the 8040 but just a 8 inch powered sub. You can get plenty of bass out of your system with towers and a sub. sometimes more isn't better.
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post #28244 of 29423
1/26/13 at 6:00pm
^The 8040 center will play lower than 100hz. I have mine set at 80hz. Audyssey set it at 40hz after calibration
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1/26/13 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

^The 8040 center will play lower than 100hz. I have mine set at 80hz. Audyssey set it at 40hz after calibration

thanks! so are you saying the 8040 center is the way to go over the 8060 or at least the extra $200 isnt worth it?
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1/26/13 at 8:20pm
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thanks! so are you saying the 8040 center is the way to go over the 8060 or at least the extra $200 isnt worth it?

I haven't heard it in person so I can not give an honest assessment. I can only give a 'on paper,' judgement. It may add a little more. Logic tells me though that if I have two towers that have powered subs in them and a seperate subwoofer that that will cover the lows plenty. A good sub can do it alone.

You are going to have to make a choice soon tho
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1/26/13 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

thanks! so are you saying the 8040 center is the way to go over the 8060 or at least the extra $200 isnt worth it?

Plenty of folks here giving you advice. I'm a bit old school wirh 4 BP70000SCs and a CLR3000 on one system, BP2000s and a CLR3000 on another. Many years ago I had two CLR 2000s (still own one). The difference between the CLR2000 and the CLR3000 is functionally the same as the 8040 and 8060 center - same front drivers/tweeter yet one has a powered woofer and the other doesn't etc. I invested in the CLR3000s for one reason. Not because it had a "sub" for more bass, rather it had a large powered driver that allowed the center to be much more dynamic and recreate center channel audio as it should be etc..
As I always tell folks, don't think of the powered driver in the 8060 or 8080 center as a sub.. It's not there for LFE, its there to facilitate the closest thing possible to a large full range tower/speaker yet in a compact box that works where a center speaker lives.
Trust us, your $200 would be well spent. Also, if you look closely on the DT website it states the 8060 center "is the best match for the 8060STs." Sure there's a bit of marketing there yet its also a case of all three front 8060 speakers being near equally dynamic - just the way you want it.

As for the AVR setting. Either the 8040 or 8060 can be run as "large". The internal crossovers allow that. The reason for setting a specific cross in the AVR is to ensure the low freqs get to a speaker/sub that can properly (or better) reproduce them.

Good luck and have fun!

Cheers
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1/26/13 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

thanks! so are you saying the 8040 center is the way to go over the 8060 or at least the extra $200 isnt worth it?
I currently have the 8040 and it is a great center but I would say if you have the money to spend or aren't to worried about it go with the 8060 if you run regular banana plugs to it the built in crossover will seperate the signals for the sub I wish I had got the 8060 instead of the 8040 because it would blend better with my mythos st mains but the 8040 still does a great job IMHO I like to feel the bass in the voice when they talk though
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1/26/13 at 8:43pm
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Plenty of folks here giving you advice. I'm a bit old school wirh 4 BP70000SCs and a CLR3000 on one system, BP2000s and a CLR3000 on another. Many years ago I had two CLR 2000s (still own one). The difference between the CLR2000 and the CLR3000 is functionally the same as the 8040 and 8060 center - same front drivers/tweeter yet one has a powered woofer and the other doesn't etc. I invested in the CLR3000s for one reason. Not because it had a "sub" for more bass, rather it had a large powered driver that allowed the center to be much more dynamic and recreate center channel audio as it should be etc..
As I always tell folks, don't think of the powered driver in the 8060 or 8080 center as a sub.. It's not there for LFE, its there to facilitate the closest thing possible to a large full range tower/speaker yet in a compact box that works where a center speaker lives.
Trust us, your $200 would be well spent. Also, if you look closely on the DT website it states the 8060 center "is the best match for the 8060STs." Sure there's a bit of marketing there yet its also a case of all three front 8060 speakers being near equally dynamic - just the way you want it.

As for the AVR setting. Either the 8040 or 8060 can be run as "large". The internal crossovers allow that. The reason for setting a specific cross in the AVR is to ensure the low freqs get to a speaker/sub that can properly (or better) reproduce them.

Good luck and have fun!

Cheers

Thanks a million!! In your opinion am i looking at the wrong AVR (Pioneer 1222-k) since it has a global xo. If i want to eventually add an external sub (SVS/HSU) i was hoping to have that handle the 20-40Hz, i wanted to cross-over the mains at 40Hz and xo the center/surrounds at 80Hz. With a pio i get one xo and i was going to do 80hz. That works great until I add a sub and then set the mains to "small" so they dont try and compete with the sub if they are set to "large" in the 20Hz range. Sorry everyone, I know i have asked this quetion 100 ways from sunday and maybe I just need to quit worrying and it wll sound fine or find a new AVR.
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1/26/13 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thanks a million!! In your opinion am i looking at the wrong AVR (Pioneer 1222-k) since it has a global xo. If i want to eventually add an external sub (SVS/HSU) i was hoping to have that handle the 20-40Hz, i wanted to cross-over the mains at 40Hz and xo the center/surrounds at 80Hz. With a pio i get one xo and i was going to do 80hz. That works great until I add a sub and then set the mains to "small" so they dont try and compete with the sub if they are set to "large" in the 20Hz range. Sorry everyone, I know i have asked this quetion 100 ways from sunday and maybe I just need to quit worrying and it wll sound fine or find a new AVR.

I would absolutely pass on a receiver with a global crossover, unless it was <$100, maybe. Being able to set the crossover differently for your towers and less capable surrounds is important. Whether you have to go with different brand or save up a little more for a better model, I wouldn't skimp out on that feature. You're spending a good amount on your speakers, make sure you get the features you need in your AVR as well.

edit: I thought that was a low end receiver, but wow, I can't believe an AVR that costs that much has a global crossover. For that price, you could get a nice receiver that should have any feature you'd need. I would look at a different brand, or at least a different model.

If you set the crossover at 40Hz, you will have audible gaps that the center and surrounds can't play. If you set it higher, you're wasting the subs in the towers.
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1/26/13 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thanks a million!! In your opinion am i looking at the wrong AVR (Pioneer 1222-k) since it has a global xo. If i want to eventually add an external sub (SVS/HSU) i was hoping to have that handle the 20-40Hz, i wanted to cross-over the mains at 40Hz and xo the center/surrounds at 80Hz. With a pio i get one xo and i was going to do 80hz. That works great until I add a sub and then set the mains to "small" so they dont try and compete with the sub if they are set to "large" in the 20Hz range. Sorry everyone, I know i have asked this quetion 100 ways from sunday and maybe I just need to quit worrying and it wll sound fine or find a new AVR.

I'm a Yamaha guy myself. :-),
As others have stated, no issues with your questions. I'm sure it seems like we are all trying to break your budget yet many of us have been there only to realize months or a year later that we wish we would have spent a bit more initially for either better performance or future flexibility. You're pretty much looking at that issue now with your receiver choice. I don't want to sway you from the Pioneer yet IMHO, I do prefer one that allows individual crossovers per channel. For some speakers and standalone sub configurations it wouldn't matter. Most of us with DT powered towers however do find different settings quite beneficial.
I didn't lookup your Pio choice yet will it do 60Hz or is it 80 across the board? I ask because 60Hz isn't bad due to you typically always get some roll off below the setting. And a good sub can easily perform well between 20-60 etc.

Decisions, decisions.. :-)
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1/26/13 at 9:20pm
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I'm a Yamaha guy myself. :-),
As others have stated, no issues with your questions. I'm sure it seems like we are all trying to break your budget yet many of us have been there only to realize months or a year later that we wish we would have spent a bit more initially for either better performance or future flexibility. You're pretty much looking at that issue now with your receiver choice. I don't want to sway you from the Pioneer yet IMHO, I do prefer one that allows individual crossovers per channel. For some speakers and standalone sub configurations it wouldn't matter. Most of us with DT powered towers however do find different settings quite beneficial.
I didn't lookup your Pio choice yet will it do 60Hz or is it 80 across the board? I ask because 60Hz isn't bad due to you typically always get some roll off below the setting. And a good sub can easily perform well between 20-60 etc.

Decisions, decisions.. :-)

haha, everyone around here is trying to break the bank. I want to do most of it now and like that the def techs will allow me to add a sub later. I dont know about the 1222k xo, i have been trying to download the manual today and not sure if it is my PC or their website, It just keeps timing out. I will try again tomorrow. Do you like the 8060 system? what center did you go with?
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1/26/13 at 11:07pm
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haha, everyone around here is trying to break the bank. I want to do most of it now and like that the def techs will allow me to add a sub later. I dont know about the 1222k xo, i have been trying to download the manual today and not sure if it is my PC or their website, It just keeps timing out. I will try again tomorrow. Do you like the 8060 system? what center did you go with?

What's your receiver price range? Perhaps you should read about audyssey multi eq room correction.

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour
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1/27/13 at 5:26am
I am was hoping to stay around 500-600 if possible. I was also looking at a marantz 5007 refurb
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What's your receiver price range? Perhaps you should read about audyssey multi eq room correction.

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour
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1/27/13 at 6:52am
I have had the 8060's for a couple of weeks now and have them pretty much dialed in. I'm running them as a full range stereo pair for music and was wondering what level setting people were using for the bass level. I have them set at 11:30.
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1/27/13 at 8:14am
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Afternoon folks

I'm currently running a pair of BP2002 as mains with a Procenter 1000, but am curious for opinions on what might be a good replacement for the 1000? What would be a "good match" to go with my 2002s and how much would I need to spend to see a noticeable improvement? FWIW, It would need to fit into a space that is 22" wide and only 6" tall in my entertainment center, so this eliminates some of the options unfortunately...

TIA

I have a C/L/R2300 sitting around since I bought a 3000. It will fit in your space but I'm not sure if a 0.25" or so of space on top is adequate for its' powered woofer. Too bad, if you think it might work and are interested, let me know.

Steve
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1/27/13 at 8:18am
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I am was hoping to stay around 500-600 if possible. I was also looking at a marantz 5007 refurb
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84

What's your receiver price range? Perhaps you should read about audyssey multi eq room correction.

http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/tour

Take some time and read that audyssey tour. I kept wondering what was with these people over in the receiver threads about odyssey. I just didn't know exactly how it worked or why it was important. It's the reason I am upgrading my receiver.
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1/27/13 at 8:21am
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Take some time and read that audyssey tour. I kept wondering what was with these people over in the receiver threads about odyssey. I just didn't know exactly how it worked or why it was important. It's the reason I am upgrading my receiver.

I agree, and will. Thanks. After comparing the Denon 3313 and 3313, i think i might try and look for a refurb 3312. It has everything I need. So are these 8060s great for 2 channel music?
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1/27/13 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

I agree, and will. Thanks. After comparing the Denon 3313 and 3313, i think i might try and look for a refurb 3312. It has everything I need. So are these 8060s great for 2 channel music?
I think the 8060s are great for 2 channel music. They have a huge soundstage and are very clean and natural sounding. The bottom end is rock solid and I have not heard any sibilance on vocals at all. I'm running them in the Pure/Direct mode with the Audyssey Flat Curve through my Denon AVR. Definitely check out an AVR with Audyssey.
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1/27/13 at 9:26am
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I think the 8060s are great for 2 channel music. They have a huge soundstage and are very clean and natural sounding. The bottom end is rock solid and I have not heard any sibilance on vocals at all. I'm running them in the Pure/Direct mode with the Audyssey Flat Curve through my Denon AVR. Definitely check out an AVR with Audyssey.

Thanks, i will o that the MCACC on the Pioneer didn't seem up to par anyway for me at least. I am VERY close to grabbing this 8060 system. I am just trying to decide if the 8060 center is worth the 200 upgrade. Hmm, Pure/Direct mode, i need to investigate this a little more and what it is
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