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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thanks, i will o that the MCACC on the Pioneer didn't seem up to par anyway for me at least. I am VERY close to grabbing this 8060 system. I am just trying to decide if the 8060 center is worth the 200 upgrade. Hmm, Pure/Direct mode, i need to investigate this a little more and what it is

Pioneers offer pure direct also...what it does is play the signal in its truest form...as in it doesn't add anything to the signal....smile.gif
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

Pioneers offer pure direct also...what it does is play the signal in its truest form...as in it doesn't add anything to the signal....smile.gif

yes, sorry, i wasn't specific. It feels the tailoring of the Pioneer (not being able to do mutiple xo's) is not up to par. Thanks for the fyi on pure direct. let me know if you have any other 8060 5.1 system tips/tricks/comments smile.gif
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

yes, sorry, i wasn't specific. It feels the tailoring of the Pioneer (not being able to do mutiple xo's) is not up to par. Thanks for the fyi on pure direct. let me know if you have any other 8060 5.1 system tips/tricks/comments smile.gif
I sure will...smile.gif...and yes the global crossover is my only nitpick on my pioneer...eventually I might go seperate amp and pre pro to have a lot more control over a standard avr...smile.gif
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I think the 8060s are great for 2 channel music. They have a huge soundstage and are very clean and natural sounding. The bottom end is rock solid and I have not heard any sibilance on vocals at all. I'm running them in the Pure/Direct mode with the Audyssey Flat Curve through my Denon AVR. Definitely check out an AVR with Audyssey.

I wouldn't buy without audyssey. 2 channel is good. It sounds like it's coming from the center as well but isn't. Your brain just thinks that way. I might be settling on all channel stereo since I have 7.1 with front highs as well it sounds pretty good. And most settings like the damn center channel so much.
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^so that 5 speakers coming from the front...
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So it turns out that a lot of my problems with the speakers were incorrect settings. For some reason my BD player was only outputting Stereo instead of 5.1. Now that I've fixed that and tweaked some of the settings, things sound much better. smile.gif
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Hey MNaudioguy, just wanted to let you know that BB magnolia carries def tech speakers. They were the only store in my area that did so I was able to demo them there. They were also running the 8060 speaker package as well so I ended up buying from them just for ease of return, financing, etc. I think that you're over thinking this a little. Get the speakers, see how you like them and go from there! I ended up ordering a close out priced Yamaha a2010 avr from Amazon to go with the def techs (along with some media bridge speaker wires) and everything has been great so far. I think I want to eventually add more to make it a 7.2 or 9.2 system but I am a happy customer so far. I just hooked everything up using the speaker wires and ran YPAO (yamahas audyssey) and tweaked from there. No LFE or anything. I just threw a party this past Friday and got lots of comments on the sound the system produced with the receiver at 60% volume or so. I was rocking the house! I am completely happy with the system even with the 8040 center. I think these forums and online reviews in general make it easy to over think and double guess yourself. If you aren't happy, just return it!
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Originally Posted by jsnake21 View Post

Hey MNaudioguy, just wanted to let you know that BB magnolia carries def tech speakers. They were the only store in my area that did so I was able to demo them there. They were also running the 8060 speaker package as well so I ended up buying from them just for ease of return, financing, etc. I think that you're over thinking this a little. Get the speakers, see how you like them and go from there! I ended up ordering a close out priced Yamaha a2010 avr from Amazon to go with the def techs (along with some media bridge speaker wires) and everything has been great so far. I think I want to eventually add more to make it a 7.2 or 9.2 system but I am a happy customer so far. I just hooked everything up using the speaker wires and ran YPAO (yamahas audyssey) and tweaked from there. No LFE or anything. I just threw a party this past Friday and got lots of comments on the sound the system produced with the receiver at 60% volume or so. I was rocking the house! I am completely happy with the system even with the 8040 center. I think these forums and online reviews in general make it easy to over think and double guess yourself. If you aren't happy, just return it!

Thank you and you are right. I will not worry about it. In fact, I found a local Magnolia room that has a Denon 3312 for $400, I was going to go check that out and demo the 8060s. I am hopeful there is nothing wrong with the Denon, but with a 3yr warranty, I shouldn’t worry, right? You are very right though, the reviews upon reviews of different speakers make this difficult. I am glad I can actually hear the 8060 setup. I was thinking about giving them a ultimatum and say I will purchase the 8060 system if they give me the 8060 center upgrade included in the $2k deal. I doubt it will work, but worth a try, right? I figure if I am paying 6.5% sales tax, I could just order from crutchfield and not have to pay tax. Let them try and incent the deal a little smile.gif
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Can you pay the difference to upgrade from the 8040 to the 8060 center?
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

Can you pay the difference to upgrade from the 8040 to the 8060 center?

If I have to I will smile.gif Is the 8060 worth the 200 upgrade?
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Well just moved out my old TV stand to make way for the new center so I can try it. I need to buy a new audio rack and do lots of cable management but it should look good in the end! Three bp8b's across the front and an svs sub!
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Originally Posted by rollie83 View Post

Well just moved out my old TV stand to make way for the new center so I can try it. I need to buy a new audio rack and do lots of cable management but it should look good in the end! Three bp8b's across the front and an svs sub!
Looks great...how does it sound with a tower for a center?...I'll be doing that next year with my 8060 towers...smile.gif
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

If I have to I will smile.gif Is the 8060 worth the 200 upgrade?

I don't see the crossover points advertised... I would assume the 8060 center mids and highs would be crossovered about the same as the 8060 towers which may yield to a more seamless sound stage then using the 8040. I'd pay $200 more for that smile.gif
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

I don't see the crossover points advertised... I would assume the 8060 center mids and highs would be crossovered about the same as the 8060 towers which may yield to a more seamless sound stage then using the 8040. I'd pay $200 more for that smile.gif

haha you all are good, i will give you that. It is so easy to try and get me to spend my money, huh smile.gif Would it help a larger room too? (6500 cubic ft)
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

haha you all are good, i will give you that. It is so easy to try and get me to spend my money, huh smile.gif Would it help a larger room too? (6500 cubic ft)

Slightly. I would assume you'll get a little less chance of distortion at higher volume levels.
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Originally Posted by josh6113 View Post

Looks great...how does it sound with a tower for a center?...I'll be doing that next year with my 8060 towers...smile.gif
So far it sounds great voices come deep! I still have some expirementing to do not sure how far away the speakers from the back wall and im still breaking in the speakers. I have the center channel a bit higher than my mains, but i like it that way. Il report back soon!
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Originally Posted by rollie83 View Post

So far it sounds great voices come deep! I still have some expirementing to do not sure how far away the speakers from the back wall and im still breaking in the speakers. I have the center channel a bit higher than my mains, but i like it that way. Il report back soon!
Sounds good...thanks...smile.gif
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Got bored and did some more messing around with REW:
Red: BP7000SC with 40Hz crossover
Green: CLR3000 with sub on
Yellow: CLR3000 with sub off

Strange the CLR3000 dips of so much after 80Hz. Look like 80Hz might actually be a good crossover point for it.
Also strange the BP7000SC dip off so much after 200Hz. I actually have the rear drivers disconnected for testing. I was informed that they have a 80hz crossover, but that doesn't seem to be the case from the measurements...odd... When playing music, the CLR3000 does have more lower midrange/midbass from the mids.

Can anyone get a measurment from their BP7001SC? I'm curious how the mids to woofers blend!

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I also think I need to try with a new soundcard/laptop. I think this laptop might be off some in the bass.

Thanks!
Edited by truwarrior22 - 1/27/13 at 11:33pm
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Originally Posted by EnjoyingMyRide View Post

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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Afternoon folks

I'm currently running a pair of BP2002 as mains with a Procenter 1000, but am curious for opinions on what might be a good replacement for the 1000? What would be a "good match" to go with my 2002s and how much would I need to spend to see a noticeable improvement? FWIW, It would need to fit into a space that is 22" wide and only 6" tall in my entertainment center, so this eliminates some of the options unfortunately...

TIA

I have a C/L/R2300 sitting around since I bought a 3000. It will fit in your space but I'm not sure if a 0.25" or so of space on top is adequate for its' powered woofer. Too bad, if you think it might work and are interested, let me know.

Steve

Thanks/will keep it in mind. I might call DT and ask if their Mythos center might be an improvement as their radiators fire forward vice up into my small space?
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Forward firing bass would probably sound better, IMO. . .
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Next "loaded" question:

Anyone here have any first-hand experience comparing the Procenter 1000 vs the 8040HD?

DT support said a Mythos 7 would NOT "be a real upgrade from the 1000", but the 8040 would. Said if 8040 was "rated at 100, the Procenter 1000 would be ~75-80". Also said the narrow gap of my space from the passive radiator was really more about letting the mid-drivers breathe and shouldn't be a worry.

Thoughts? Just trying to not waste time/$ for minimal return, I guess!

thanks
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Next "loaded" question:

Anyone here have any first-hand experience comparing the Procenter 1000 vs the 8040HD?

DT support said a Mythos 7 would NOT "be a real upgrade from the 1000", but the 8040 would. Said if 8040 was "rated at 100, the Procenter 1000 would be ~75-80". Also said the narrow gap of my space from the passive radiator was really more about letting the mid-drivers breathe and shouldn't be a worry.

Thoughts? Just trying to not waste time/$ for minimal return, I guess!

thanks
I actually just went from the 1000 to the 8040hd and the difference is remarkable the 1000 didn't blend well with my st mains it was really hard to tell it was there unless I cranked the volume but the 8040 come out loud and clear. I would recommend the 8040 to anyone and would certainly suggest it over the 1000 for your set up the 8040 has a lot more mid bass and the highs are very crisp but the main selling point for me coming from the 1000 was the midrange compared to the 1000 which has a very small mid range really almost none at all.
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Originally Posted by shadowfox2689 View Post

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I actually just went from the 1000 to the 8040hd and the difference is remarkable the 1000 didn't blend well with my st mains it was really hard to tell it was there unless I cranked the volume but the 8040 come out loud and clear. I would recommend the 8040 to anyone and would certainly suggest it over the 1000 for your set up the 8040 has a lot more mid bass and the highs are very crisp but the main selling point for me coming from the 1000 was the midrange compared to the 1000 which has a very small mid range really almost none at all.

Very cool report! DT did say the mid drivers were newer-generation (they are the same 4 1/2 inches however), so I'm glad to hear your experience is a definitive one. Sorry for the pun, but it fits!!!

Now I need a hookup to a good vendor with a good price!!!

Bueller? Bueller??

: )
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Technical question. The 8060 towers have the built in crossovers around 150hz? If I set my L/R towers to 80hz after running audyssey how exactly do the crossovers in the towers know not to allow lower? Or is it that the AVR will not send any lower frequencies to that speaker if the crossover set set there?
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Technical question. The 8060 towers have the built in crossovers around 150hz? If I set my L/R towers to 80hz after running audyssey how exactly do the crossovers in the towers know not to allow lower? Or is it that the AVR will not send any lower frequencies to that speaker if the crossover set set there?

If the crossover in the tower is 150Hz, then any signal it gets below 150Hz will go to the sub. If you set the crossover for the tower at 80Hz on the AVR, then it won't send a signal lower than 80Hz (basically). So the tower would still try to play a 40Hz note if it got one, but the AVR won't send it a signal lower than 80Hz.
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Very cool report! DT did say the mid drivers were newer-generation (they are the same 4 1/2 inches however), so I'm glad to hear your experience is a definitive one. Sorry for the pun, but it fits!!!

Now I need a hookup to a good vendor with a good price!!!

Bueller? Bueller??

: )

Yes they are the same driver sizes and that was what I was worried about because my towers have the 5 1/4 drivers but there is a huge difference and I can't complain I got a nice deal off of a buddy who was upgrading to a 8060hd
Edited by shadowfox2689 - 1/28/13 at 9:51pm
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I used an SPL meter app with my phone to test the loudness of the test tones on my speakers. It shows that one surround is a few db louder than the other. Does that make a huge difference? When listening to movies, I notice more sound coming out of the quieter speaker.

The levels are set the same between the two. I don't remember what the distances are set to.
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You need to use white noise.
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Alright all, I am getting close to my first serious HT setup. I am so pumped and am really looking forward to these Def Techs! My current issue is speaker placement (primarily surrounds) and I would love some thoughts based on knowing the speakers I am getting. The room is fairly sizable (6500 cubic ft) and I am attaching pictures and what my thoughts are. So I will be using it for 50 HT/50 Music. My setup will be

Front L/R – 8060s
Center – 8040 (unless people think I must get the 8060)
Surrounds – 8040
Sub – not at the moment, future add
AVR – Denon 3312

As you can see in the pictures I want to aim the theater listening towards the TV. Don’t worry the TV is going to get upgraded too and I am hoping to mount it on the wall in the corner. I would put the two def tech towers to the left and right of the tv, separated by about 6-7ft and pull them back from the wall about 2 ft and put the center on that TV stand until I get a better setup. My concern is surround placement. I don’t want to run cables under the carpet and put them by the couch. So I was thinking to the left of the fireplace against the wall. I was also thinking the other one would go to the right of the upper cabinets on the wet bar. Both of these surrounds will be about 6-7 ft from either end of the couch.

Is there an issue if I put it to the right of the cabinets and left of the fireplace and on the main wall will the sound deflect off of those two spots (cabinet approx 20in and 1ft of wall before fireplace) away from the couch. Will i miss out on some of the soundstage? Also, are they too far away from the couch or should the sound carry well enough?

Thanks all in advance, I cant wait to be a def tech owner

Edited by MNaudioguy - 1/29/13 at 6:43pm
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Nice setup, Just thinking out loud here, but you might want to also consider some tritraps for that corner behind the TV. Contact GIK Acoustics or Realtraps and see what they recommend.
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