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I say "hiss" but it isn't what that implies. A very quiet, barely audible "buzz" may be a better description for it. With all of my electronic equipment off in the room except for the XPA-5 and the AVR-4311CI, I can barely hear the "noise" I'm describing. But that's after I upgraded my interconnects to 0.5 meter Vampire Wire. Originally I just used some better-than-cheapo stereo RCA cables I had lying around. They were all the same brand and same length so I figured they would work. Not so much. The buzz was very loud and annoying. I did some research here on AVS and the most common answer was that Emotiva amps aren't the quietest amps. I just assumed that meant that it was fairly common and that if it wasn't noticeable from the listening position under the most quiet situations you listen to something in that it was fine. Of course, the Vampire Wire interconnects made a night and day difference for me. I am very glad that is the case. I was contemplating sending the XPA-5 back.
Hi JLP, just to clarify, you can put 200 clean watts into the BP 8060's with no worries. Remember that the wattage rating of an amp describes the point at which it begins to run out of the ability to stay clean, or to stay below a certain level of distortion in tech terms. It does not mean that the amp is putting out 200 watts on a continuous basis.
If you're listening to some nice background music while you send a few e mails, that 200 watt amp is likely putting out about one watt on a continuous basis! Speakers often become damaged by someone playing a low-powered amp at a high level, which will of course cause that amp to distort, as it exceeds its rated power, and begins to send clipped output to the speakers...which jack-hammers them. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hey Steve, here is some feedback smile.gif. Yes, it's normal with the amps in that series to hum for a little while when they are first connected, and yes, it goes away after a bit, just like you experienced. Our older-style amp designs have a warm-up period, while our newer designs don't. I am glad to hear that they sound great!
Remember, they love to play 70's rock n roll... oh wait... is it me that loves to play 70's rock n roll? Thanks for owning DT, and yes, they will sound even better when you get them broken in after a bit. So play them like a Chicago voter - early and often. Best, Joe

Thank you very much Joe. Much appreciated. Steve
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi Steve, there are some pretty passionate fans of the CS 8080 HD center channel speaker on this thread. I am not sure if your shelf is large enough (the dimensions are on our web site www.definitivetech.com). If so, it's a great product and you'll love it. Best, Joe

Hi Joe,

Trying to decide between the CS8080HD or the XTR-60. Size is not a problem in regards to the shelf. Which in your opinion would would go best with the 7006. Also considering the C/L/R 2002.

If anyone else has a suggestion, especially those that use the BP7006 as their fronts, I would like to hear from them.

Thanks for everones help.

Steve
Edited by Thunderduck - 2/5/13 at 6:00am
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CLR-2002 is probably the most economical option and it should match very well with your mains.
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Originally Posted by logicators View Post

CLR-2002 is probably the most economical option and it should match very well with your mains.

I agree. Very nice center channel. You can find them used in very good condition for approx $250, give or take a few bux.
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Originally Posted by jvmanolis View Post

I agree. Very nice center channel. You can find them used in very good condition for approx $250, give or take a few bux.

That should be on the upper end of the price range. I've seen them for $100 on Craigslist before and a bunch under $200.

Like right now, there is one for sale in Orlando for $100.
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Did you have any tips, tricks or learning experiences as you setup your 3313? I just got a 3312 and will have pretty much the same setup as you (8060 tower and centers and 8040 surrounds). I have read people with issues on Def Tech and audessey dialing them in correctly because of their bipolar design. I am glad to hear you are very happy. Also, i dont intend on getting a sub probably for another 6mos or so. Let me know if you have any specific tips for Audyssey or system setup to dial in these speakers and make them sound awesome!
There is a setup assistant than can help. The only thing is that it uses 6 mic placements for audyssey calibration rather than the normal 8 tha Multi EQ XT offers. Not much overall setup. Basically I named my inputs and that was it besides dialing in the sound. I have been thinking about this and I believe audyssey is going to be more difficult without a dedicated sub simply for the fact that you will have two LFE outs to both towers. With a dedicated sub you would just run speaker wire to the towers and LFE to the sub. With the dedicated sub you would, in most opinions, crossover your towers and center at 80hz and the surrounds at whatever audyssey sets them at (prob 150hz-220hz). You would need audyssey Multi EQ XT32 to be able to EQ two subs, which is what you have with two LFE's to both towers. I believe what most do is get both of the tower subs matched with an SPL meter and then run audyssey. Multi EQ XT will "think," it's one sub. But it's important to have them matched or else it could really throw off the EQ-ing of these subs. Also you want to shoot for -3db to +3db for level audyssey sets the subs at. You can always go into your receiver and turn the level up but never touch the gain knobs after you run audyssey. My sub was tough at first. I got -12db then +12db then -7db then finally -3.5db. This is important because audyssey is most effective for low frequencies. I then turned my level on my Denon 3313 from -3.5db to +1db.

You could also run just speaker wire to your towers , no LFE and just run them as full band.
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hey all. first time user on this site but made a account on here to try and get some assistance as i dont wanna mess it up and also get the most out of it.

trying to get my system wired to the best of its performance. and while i know some here and there i would like to see if anyone thats more knowledgeable about this field could assist smile.gif

i came into possession of a ProCinema 100 system
1x ProSub100
1x ProCenter 100
4x ProMonitor 100
4x ProStand 100
little outdated i know but i got it for free as a gift. its in perfect condition too, only used like twice.

i also have a Sony STR-DA5ES Digital Cinema Sound Amplifier [manual ]
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if someone would be willing to help me by letting me know what the best way to wire the speaker system to the amp i would really appreciate it.
i.e. should i connect the speakers to the amp directly or go threw the sub and take the sub to the amp? and what way to connect the sub to the amp? what ohms should i set the amp to?
stuff like that.

let me know if any more information is needed and i'll be glad to provide.
i have many cables as well as a splitter so just assume that i have everything that i need in order to get it working

really appreciate it if someone would be willing to help out. thanks smile.gif
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Thanks all in regards to the C/L/R-2002. Will definitely check them out.

Steve
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That is what I will probably do is run straight wire and no lfe to see how that goes first. I am crossing my fingers that my 3312 dials in the 8060 setup correctly. Do I really need a spl meter?
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

You could also run just speaker wire to your towers , no LFE and just run them as full band.
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Originally Posted by geneon101 View Post

hey all. first time user on this site but made a account on here to try and get some assistance as i dont wanna mess it up and also get the most out of it.

trying to get my system wired to the best of its performance. and while i know some here and there i would like to see if anyone thats more knowledgeable about this field could assist smile.gif

i came into possession of a ProCinema 100 system
1x ProSub100
1x ProCenter 100
4x ProMonitor 100
4x ProStand 100
little outdated i know but i got it for free as a gift. its in perfect condition too, only used like twice.

i also have a Sony STR-DA5ES Digital Cinema Sound Amplifier [manual ]
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if someone would be willing to help me by letting me know what the best way to wire the speaker system to the amp i would really appreciate it.
i.e. should i connect the speakers to the amp directly or go threw the sub and take the sub to the amp? and what way to connect the sub to the amp? what ohms should i set the amp to?
stuff like that.

let me know if any more information is needed and i'll be glad to provide.
i have many cables as well as a splitter so just assume that i have everything that i need in order to get it working

really appreciate it if someone would be willing to help out. thanks smile.gif

Either way will work but I would hook up the speakers to the Sony and use a simple RCA cable to the Prosub then adjust the crossover in your receiver to 100Hz for all speakers. 120Hz may be better since those ProMonitor woofers are pretty small. If you hook up everything via the Prosub it has a fixed crossover of 80Hz and those would be pushing those tiny speakers to their limit and you may hear distortion at certain levels.
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Either way will work but I would hook up the speakers to the Sony and use a simple RCA cable to the Prosub then adjust the crossover in your receiver to 100Hz for all speakers. 120Hz may be better since those ProMonitor woofers are pretty small. If you hook up everything via the Prosub it has a fixed crossover of 80Hz and those would be pushing those tiny speakers to their limit and you may hear distortion at certain levels.

i'll give that a try smile.gif
ty

in reference to that manual
page 16 of 96

wire it like that? also should i set it to 8Ω?
Edited by geneon101 - 2/5/13 at 8:33pm
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I have been thinking about this and I believe audyssey is going to be more difficult without a dedicated sub simply for the fact that you will have two LFE outs to both towers. With a dedicated sub you would just run speaker wire to the towers and LFE to the sub. With the dedicated sub you would, in most opinions, crossover your towers and center at 80hz and the surrounds at whatever audyssey sets them at (prob 150hz-220hz). You would need audyssey Multi EQ XT32 to be able to EQ two subs, which is what you have with two LFE's to both towers. I believe what most do is get both of the tower subs matched with an SPL meter and then run audyssey.
The 3313 is a .1 avr (I may be wrong here, I believe it is a single line slit inside the case), both sub outs are the same signal, so whatever is plugged in to either/both sub outs will be treated as a single sub....even if you had MultXT32. You would need a .2 AVR to have them treated as separate subs. Currently I am running an AVR 3313 with BP8060ST's, 8040 center and surrounds, and an SVS PC12-plus...To say the least it sounds rather impressive.
To set it up I have the two DT's plugged into sub out 1 with a "Y" adapter and the SVS plugged into sub out 2. Audyssey turned off, all trim levels set to 0. Balance speakers/subs with an SPL meter. In my room with the AVR test tone, I set the LF main at 75db, then played with the sub gains to get them to equal 75db (DT's @ 69db each, SVS @ 71db, total together 75db) then ran Audyssey. I ended up with all speakers within +/- 2.5db. It sounds really, really good.
It does sound better with the dedicated sub, but, it sounded damn fine without it. It's not all that hard to get good sound out of these speakers...

Now if I can get REW working I can get down to some serious fine tuning....
Edited by ceh383 - 2/5/13 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by geneon101 View Post

i'll give that a try smile.gif
ty

in reference to that manual
page 16 of 96

wire it like that? also should i set it to 8Ω?

Yes use the example on page 16 but since you have a 5.1 setup you won't hook up anything to the surround back speaker hookup on the Sony. And yes set the speakers selection to 8 ohms.
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Originally Posted by UofAZ1 View Post

Yes use the example on page 16 but since you have a 5.1 setup you won't hook up anything to the surround back speaker hookup on the Sony. And yes set the speakers selection to 8 ohms.
epic.
and thanks for the speedy reply smile.gif
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Did you have any tips, tricks or learning experiences as you setup your 3313? I just got a 3312 and will have pretty much the same setup as you (8060 tower and centers and 8040 surrounds). I have read people with issues on Def Tech and audessey dialing them incorrectly because of their bipolar design. I am glad to hear you are very happy. Also, i dont intend on getting a sub probably for another 6mos or so. Let me know if you have any specific tips for Audyssey or system setup to dial in these speakers and make them sound awesome!
I only had problems when i connected the speakers to my avr1612. Once I connected it to my avr3313 the "out of phase" didn't happen with that receiver. Also you can do the full 8 mic positions if you manually go to audessey setup instead of the auto set-up. they sound great together.
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The 3313 is a .1 avr (I may be wrong here, I believe it is a single line slit inside the case), both sub outs are the same signal, so whatever is plugged in to either/both sub outs will be treated as a single sub....even if you had MultXT32. You would need a .2 AVR to have them treated as separate subs. Currently I am running an AVR 3313 with BP8060ST's, 8040 center and surrounds, and an SVS PC12-plus...To say the least it sounds rather impressive.
To set it up I have the two DT's plugged into sub out 1 with a "Y" adapter and the SVS plugged into sub out 2. Audyssey turned off, all trim levels set to 0. Balance speakers/subs with an SPL meter. In my room with the AVR test tone, I set the LF main at 75db, then played with the sub gains to get them to equal 75db (DT's @ 69db each, SVS @ 71db, total together 75db) then ran Audyssey. I ended up with all speakers within +/- 2.5db. It sounds really, really good.
It does sound better with the dedicated sub, but, it sounded damn fine without it. It's not all that hard to get good sound out of these speakers...

Now if I can get REW working I can get down to some serious fine tuning....

Interesting. I have almost the same setup. Just add two pro monitor 1000's for front heights and change the sub to an HSU VTF-15H. Yea I did realize the avr would treat the two subs in the towers as one. I was just stressing having them matched with a meter like you did or it could throw audyssey off, if one was say 10-15 db higher. I am interested in your exact setup and have questions. I bought the neccessary RCA cables to hook up the towers and my dedicated sub via LFE. But it seemed, and after being swayed on these forums, that the 15H can more than handle the lows. Obviously your SVS sub is higher quality than than the built in subs. You say it sounds really good so it must not take away from the SVS? I'm sure you have heard the theory of my setup. I may play around soon. I am fairly new, I did download REW but have quite a bit of studying before I will be ready to use it.
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Will using an SPL meter prior to audyssey and balancing the speakers at 75db get overwritten when I run audyssey? I thought that overwrites everything? Maybe not this. Anyway is it highly recommended to do this and not rely only on audyssey?
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Will using an SPL meter prior to audyssey and balancing the speakers at 75db get overwritten when I run audyssey? I thought that overwrites everything? Maybe not this. Anyway is it highly recommended to do this and not rely only on audyssey?

Audyssey doesn't/Can't set the gain knobs on your 8060 towers or the gain knob on a dedicated sub. Audyssey will try and set all your speakers and sub or subs to 75db across the board. So it's common to level out the subs before you run audyssey or else you may get a -12db which means the gain on your sub is set too high and audyssey can't EQ it.
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I was just stressing having them matched with a meter like you did or it could throw audyssey off, if one was say 10-15 db higher. I am interested in your exact setup and have questions

At this point I'm not sure how how differing sub levels would effect the overall sound. When I get REW up and running I plan on trying different sub settings to see how it effects the FR. My original thought was to keep the DT subs a few db's lower than the SVS to not drive them as hard, so for now I set them close to the same. After running Audyssey the system sounds GOOD overall.
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What about my surrounds without a knob. Shouldn't I try getting everything to 75db with them at 12 o'clock? do I manually do it internally in the Avr? If so, does audyssey overwrite?
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Audyssey doesn't/Can't set the gain knobs on your 8060 towers or the gain knob on a dedicated sub. Audyssey will try and set all your speakers and sub or subs to 75db across the board. So it's common to level out the subs before you run audyssey or else you may get a -12db which means the gain on your sub is set too high and audyssey can't EQ it.
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Turn Audyssey off, set all trim levels to 0. Run the AVR test tone, use either the left front or the center channel, adjust the volume on the AVR to be at 75db. After this do not adjust the AVR volume again.
Now adjust the gain on each sub so they are close to equal, and together total 75db.
Re-run Audyssey....

The surrounds will be taken care of...
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Originally Posted by ceh383 View Post

Turn Audyssey off, set all trim levels to 0. Run the AVR test tone, use either the left front or the center channel, adjust the volume on the AVR to be at 75db. After this do not adjust the AVR volume again.
Now adjust the gain on each sub so they are close to equal, and together total 75db.
Re-run Audyssey....

The surrounds will be taken care of...

Thanks! So what would i do with my 8060s if i am not running LFE to them? Would that still count as a sub? Or should i just make sure my Left, Right and Center are at 75 in this case and just leave the surrounds alone?

Thanks again all for bearing with me on this. I am about to order my boom mic stand.
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At this point I'm not sure how how differing sub levels would effect the overall sound. When I get REW up and running I plan on trying different sub settings to see how it effects the FR. My original thought was to keep the DT subs a few db's lower than the SVS to not drive them as hard, so for now I set them close to the same. After running Audyssey the system sounds GOOD overall.

Do you think it sounds better running all three LFE? Or have you tried both? I have my 8060 towers cossed at 80hz. So essentially they are midbass subs from 80-about 150 (the internal crossovers in the towers). I may pick up a spl meter and play around this weekend.
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thanks! So what would i do with my 8060s if i am not running LFE to them? Would that still count as a sub? Or should i just make sure my Left, Right and Center are at 75 in this case and just leave the surrounds alone?

Thanks again all for bearing with me on this. I am about to order my boom mic stand.

Good question, I'm not sure if this is the correct way or not. I would temporarily hook up the LFE on the DefTechs just to set the gains as described above.

All you need to do for the mains is set EITHER the front left OR the center to 75db. Audyssey will set the trim levels from there.
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Do you think it sounds better running all three LFE? Or have you tried both? I have my 8060 towers cossed at 80hz. So essentially they are midbass subs from 80-about 150 (the internal crossovers in the towers). I may pick up a spl meter and play around this weekend.

The reason I'm using the LFE on all three is to hopefully smooth out the FR around the room. At this point I can not tell for sure if it is helping or hurting in this regard.
I will know more when I get REW running....Right now I'm waiting on parts.
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Turn Audyssey off, set all trim levels to 0. Run the AVR test tone, use either the left front or the center channel, adjust the volume on the AVR to be at 75db. After this do not adjust the AVR volume again.
Now adjust the gain on each sub so they are close to equal, and together total 75db.
Re-run Audyssey....

The surrounds will be taken care of...

+1
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thanks! So what would i do with my 8060s if i am not running LFE to them? Would that still count as a sub? Or should i just make sure my Left, Right and Center are at 75 in this case and just leave the surrounds alone?

Thanks again all for bearing with me on this. I am about to order my boom mic stand.
I run 8060s as a full range speaker. I set the gain levels at 12 o'clock and ran Audyssey. Audyssey adjusted levels and EQed the 8060s. I found when using Dynamic EQ the bass was a bit overwhelming so I trimmed the gain back to the 11 o'clock position. This is for 2 channel music. For 5.1 I have a Prosub 1000 with the gain set at about 10 o'clock Audyssey returned a level of -3 for it. I checked all speakers at my central location with a SPL meter using the internal test tones of my Denon AVR and all were about -72/73 dB. I turned the Prosub 1000 up 2 dB because I like a little extra rumble in my effects.
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Originally Posted by tmauceri View Post

I run 8060s as a full range speaker. I set the gain levels at 12 o'clock and ran Audyssey. Audyssey adjusted levels and EQed the 8060s. I found when using Dynamic EQ the bass was a bit overwhelming so I trimmed the gain back to the 11 o'clock position. This is for 2 channel music. For 5.1 I have a Prosub 1000 with the gain set at about 10 o'clock Audyssey returned a level of -3 for it. I checked all speakers at my central location with a SPL meter using the internal test tones of my Denon AVR and all were about -72/73 dB. I turned the Prosub 1000 up 2 dB because I like a little extra rumble in my effects.

Thank you all for the great help! I finally got my 8040 surrounds in the mail today. Now i just need to have monoprice deliver my wire, etc. I should be up and running by some point next week. One thing I noticed is the 8040s didnt come with any mounting hardware. What are people using to mount theirs speakers? I saw one person use a toggle bolt. Is everyone making sure they mount it to a wall stud or are others using other mounting options?
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Thank you all for the great help! I finally got my 8040 surrounds in the mail today. Now i just need to have monoprice deliver my wire, etc. I should be up and running by some point next week. One thing I noticed is the 8040s didnt come with any mounting hardware. What are people using to mount theirs speakers? I saw one person use a toggle bolt. Is everyone making sure they mount it to a wall stud or are others using other mounting options?

I just did drywall screws in the keyhole. At first I thought they were too heavy for that but it holds fine.
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