Definitive Owners Thread - Page 950

Originally Posted by Raines8675309 

$3000 is a bit steep for the 3000TL. A pair recently sold on eBay for half that. I've got the 2000's and love them, but still run a pair of dedicated subs. I run my BP 2000 LF, RF, LR, RR all small with 40 hz crossover. I run a CLR 3000 Center small with 60 hz crossover. Anything lower goes to a pair of dedicated subs. I have run various set ups and this seems to run best for bass management. A higher crossover works with a pair of great subs but then why run the subs in the towers at all. As long as there are no negative room resonances, let the beasts roar. I wish I could pull off a 7.2 or a 9.2 but I just don't have room. So, I've got a pair of CLR 3000 and BPVX in a closet collecting dust. As for compairing the new 8000 series to the 2000 line, the 8060 compare very favorable. I was shocked they could hold up to the larger drivers in the older DTs.

Originally Posted by hammyj 

Hi all, need a little advice. I have a pair of BP7002, 2500 center, and 2 powered BPX rears. I want a new receiver, likely Yamaha RX-A line. What is the min wattage you would recommend? Anybody using this line of receivers? Results?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Hi all, need a little advice. I have a pair of BP7002, 2500 center, and 2 powered BPX rears. I want a new receiver, likely Yamaha RX-A line. What is the min wattage you would recommend? Anybody using this line of receivers? Results?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Originally Posted by Ratified 

Finally found a center channel, CLR2000, and was wondering if any owners of the CLR line have had problems with vibration; as in the unit vibrating on the surface its on? My center has not arrived yet and I was looking at maybe ordering some Auralex MOPADS to go under the CLR2000 since it will be sitting on a glasstop. Opinions?

Originally Posted by jlpowell84 

I'm not sure if the older towers crossed over that low, 80hz, but the new 80x0 series are higher. I called Def Tech and they told me 150-200hz. Perhaps Joe if you are on the forum you could comment on the crossover point. I set mine to small and crossed them at 80hz. I turned of my HSU sub and you can certainly hear/feel the subs in the towers working above 80hz. I even put my hand in front of the sub and feel it working.

Where did you hear 80hz as the internal crossover setting?

Man, I couldn't help it.....I had to treat myself to the super sweet deal newegg has been running on the sm 450's. I got a pair for a steal and they just arrived today via free 3 day shipping. I hooked them up temporarily for 20 minutes or so in place of my front bp7000's. WOW they are very impressive little speakers. Sound 4 times bigger than they are and image was very tight. I will be using them as wides in a 9.2 setup. Unfortunately I only have a 7 channel sunfire amp so I am going to have to find another amp to power them. I was considering a little emotiva upa-200 which is 125 wattsx2. Anyone out there with this amp? Was also considering the xpa-200 which is 150 wattsx2 but just don't think an extra 25 watts per channel is worth $150.....especially to power wides. I will also keep an eagle eye on audiogon for another sunfire. Any other suggestions for an inexpensive stereo amp to power the sm450s as wides?

Oh, and by the way, I was hoping to get some little bookshelf stands for them. They only need to be about 12" tall though for my setup. Any ideas on short bookshelf stands?

Originally Posted by jlpowell84 

What avr or processor setup do you have?

Originally Posted by g_bartman 

Those 450's kick but for their size. I got some to use as highs but now use them in a 2 channel system in my den. Surprising lf output for smallish monitors.

Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive 

Hello JLP, let's try to clear up some possible mis-information that may be out there regarding the internal crossover settings on our BP towers and use with external powered subwoofers.
1) The internal crossover point, where the sound transitions from the mid-bass driver to the powered woofer in our towers, does not really affect where you set your crossover to an external sub in your system. Your room, your freestanding subwoofer's capabilities (is it a ProCinema 800 sub, or a pair of SuperCube Reference? Something in between?), and your personal preferences all play a part.
2) The internal crossover point is not a brick-wall, 48 dB filter. It is a much more gradual filter, so there is significant output above the filter's crossover point.
3) The internal crossover point varies somewhat by model, but in our current series (BP 8080, 8060, 8040, and 8020 ST) the filter is set in between 100 Hz and 130 Hz. In other words, the active subwoofer handles most of the output below that frequency. But again, that does not mean that the sub has no output above that frequency - it does - nor does it mean that the drivers have no output below that frequency - they do. In the older series, it was set lower, usually in between 80 and 100 Hz.
4) Therefore, if your external subwoofer (s) and DT Supertowers sound great when you set your receiver's crossover to 80 Hz, that's fine. If it sounds even better when you set the fronts to SMALL and choose, let's say, 60 Hz, so that the on-board subs are handling some of the lower frequencies, that's fine too. Same for SMALL and 40 Hz... or even if you set the fronts to LARGE and ask the SuperTowers to handle all frequencies down to 20 Hz.
Remember, we say that with the built-in subs, you don't really need a subwoofer. That is certainly true for many listeners, in many rooms. Our SuperTowers are a great solution for the many folks who will not, or can not, get a subwoofer into their system. But in a larger room, or with someone who wants truly floor-shaking bass, will our powered towers sound even better with a heavyweight sub like the SC 8000 handling the deepest bass? Yes, especially on home theater sources. Plus... it makes me happy if you buy one or more of our subs, too :-).
I hope this helps. Yes, I realize it's a somewhat complext topic, and unfortunately folks can get hung up on the numbers, rather than following the # 1 rule of home theater set-up: experiment a bit!
Thanks again to all you DT owners and fans - Best, Joe

Originally Posted by SoundSmile 

I have a pair of BP20s that I have taken excellent care of. I purchased them new in Michigan and am the original owner.

Tops are 7/10 and the white socks are new.

A couple of years back the adhesive on the surrounds failed and Definitive stepped up and graciously covered under warranty.


Hours on them since are very low and they have been very well cared for. No kids, pets, or smoking.

Can anyone give me a general idea what the set is worth? I have a friend that would love to purchase them, however we would like a starting point for pricing.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by yosh7 

Man , I couldn't help it.....I had to treat myself to the super sweet deal newegg has been running on the sm 450's. I got a pair for a steal and they just arrived today via free 3 day shipping. I hooked them up temporarily for 20 minutes or so in place of my front bp7000's. WOW they are very impressive little speakers. Sound 4 times bigger than they are and image was very tight. I will be using them as wides in a 9.2 setup. Unfortunately I only have a 7 channel sunfire amp so I am going to have to find another amp to power them. I was considering a little emotiva upa-200 which is 125 wattsx2. Anyone out there with this amp? Was also considering the xpa-200 which is 150 wattsx2 but just don't think an extra 25 watts per channel is worth $150.....especially to power wides. I will also keep an eagle eye on audiogon for another sunfire. Any other suggestions for an inexpensive stereo amp to power the sm450s as wides?

Oh, and by the way, I was hoping to get some little bookshelf stands for them. They only need to be about 12" tall though for my setup. Any ideas on short bookshelf stands?

Originally Posted by TenTonBass 

Hey guys. I just bought a CS8080 center and now need to get some towers to go along with it. I am leaning toward the BP8080ST or 8060ST. The 8060s are much more in my budget range.

I also own a DIY 15" sub and now many will say that I dont need a front stage with built in subs because I already have a sub. But I was thinking of setting my receiver crossover at 50hz and letting the big 15" just deal with the low bottom end and the let the front 3 handle the upper bass.

Anyone have any opinions on how this will sound?

Originally Posted by TenTonBass 

Hey guys. I just bought a CS8080 center and now need to get some towers to go along with it. I am leaning toward the BP8080ST or 8060ST. The 8060s are much more in my budget range.

I also own a DIY 15" sub and now many will say that I dont need a front stage with built in subs because I already have a sub. But I was thinking of setting my receiver crossover at 50hz and letting the big 15" just deal with the low bottom end and the let the front 3 handle the upper bass.

Anyone have any opinions on how this will sound?

Originally Posted by mfjones 

Hey guys. I'm in the process of designing my theater and trying to determine which speakers to go with. I've decided on the mythos 10 for my center and either the mythos st for l/r or two mythos 10s mounted on the wall for the l/r. I bought the mythos st speakers already but my room is only 17' deep so I feel like it moves the sound stage further forward than I'd like it and I'd have a hard time moving the seating too far back particularly if I'm trying to squeeze in 2 rows. Any thoughts on if I'd regret going with 2 mythos 10s and 2 super cubes over the st?

Originally Posted by TenTonBass 

Hey guys. I just bought a CS8080 center and now need to get some towers to go along with it. I am leaning toward the BP8080ST or 8060ST. The 8060s are much more in my budget range.

I also own a DIY 15" sub and now many will say that I dont need a front stage with built in subs because I already have a sub. But I was thinking of setting my receiver crossover at 50hz and letting the big 15" just deal with the low bottom end and the let the front 3 handle the upper bass.

Anyone have any opinions on how this will sound?

Originally Posted by TenTonBass 

Hey guys. I just bought a CS8080 center and now need to get some towers to go along with it. I am leaning toward the BP8080ST or 8060ST. The 8060s are much more in my budget range.

I also own a DIY 15" sub and now many will say that I dont need a front stage with built in subs because I already have a sub. But I was thinking of setting my receiver crossover at 50hz and letting the big 15" just deal with the low bottom end and the let the front 3 handle the upper bass.

Anyone have any opinions on how this will sound?

Originally Posted by TenTonBass 

Another worry of mine is how much strain does having all 3 front speakers with powered subs put on your electrical system?

I'm not sure what amp my breaker is (I rent) but I have a 6 port in wall plug in and I currently run my LCD TV, pioneer elite receiver, PS3, cable box, crown sub amp, and feedback destroyer pro off of. The crown amp, feedback destroyer pro, tv and cable box are plugged into a power strip running off the main. The receiver and PS3 are plugged right into the wall.

So I have the outlets for adding the the 3 powered subs, but I wonder if I will trip a breaker?

Would a power conditioner help this problem?