Definitive Owners Thread - Page 952

Originally Posted by yosh7 

Also having the powered built in subs in the towers puts a lot less stress on your amp as it does not have to power the bottom octaves.

Originally Posted by bradthebold88 

BPXs would be nice, or BP2Xs would be cheaper.

Originally Posted by jlpowell84 

do i need to register my new speakers?

Originally Posted by Larry L 

This leads me to a question I have had about the Powered Towers. I have a set of BP2004TLs. The manual states, when talking about speaker-wire only connection:
" The speaker’s electronics will take an infinitesimally small signal from the speaker level input and convert it to a low-level signal which then drives the built-in subwoofer power amp."

Normally a speaker system's impedance drops as frequency drops, hence a low frequency signal will draw more power from the amp. Since the Mid-Bass drivers in this system have passive crossovers, I imagine they will not lead to a large draw of power at the lower frequencies.

So, is this statement infering that the input to the sub's amplifier is high impedance, therefore, impedance at the speaker wire terminal for low frequencies is high, and, therefore, system this does not put the demand on the AVR amp at low frequencies that a passive system would?

Is there a measured impedance graph available for the Powered Towers?

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

This may sound like a dumb question but i will ask anyway. Does anyone have the CS-8060HD center speaker? I just got my 8060 set and noticed the back of my towers the light initially turns on as red but quickly switches to green. I noticed the light on the back of the powered center channel is always red and never turns green. Can anyone else confirm theirs? I guess normallly i wouldnt be worried but I already have to exchange one of my front speakers because none of the bass kicks in. I tried swapping the L for the R and the same thing with the same speaker so i know its not the AVR. Anyway, thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by CleatusCat 

How do you have them connected to your receiver? I had all my speakers connected via LFE and now just wires. I noticed no difference because I didn't use the LFE features. What do you have them crossed over at?

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

Do you know if the light on the back of the 8060 center is always red vs. the towers which are green?

Originally Posted by CleatusCat 

I have the old school stuff. I was just trying to figure out why you are lacking bass. Are you sure the subs are getting a signal, the amps are working?

Originally Posted by ntculenuf 

from i just read in the manual the light is either on or off, doesn't say anything about color. maybe your center got a red led instead of a green. Give chet a call at definitive tech support.

Originally Posted by bamaboom 

Thanks Mantis. I was kind of thinking that. Would you run the insulation fairly close to the top and bottom of the speaker or would you leave a space between the bottom of the insulation and the top of the speaker.

Originally Posted by tlb48 

what type of stands are you using for the 65's

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

Yeah, because one sub on the speaker was working, i could feel the woofer moving, etc. I tried swapping the L for the R just to make sure it wasn't a AVR issue. The one speaker that had the sub working earlier continued to work and the other one still didnt. I called to talk to tech support from crutchfield and they put in a replacement order. The bummer is they are currently out of stock so it could be a couple weeks before mine is even shipped out, ugh! I understand these things happen so i am trying ot stay positive about it. I am VERY happy from what I hear so far on these def techs though!! The bass is lacking a little in my mind but I have a large space 6500 cubic feet so i was not expecting it, lol. Just didnt have the funds to purchase a dedicated sub yet after the 8060 HT purchase

I can't wait to really utilize these speakers. I listened to the dave matthews/tim reynolds blu ray this weekend and the mids/highs sounded amazing! I felt like i was really there. Now, i just need to figure out my bass situation

Originally Posted by DrZaus 

Anybody running separate amp(s) to drive their definitive's? I have 2 original BP2000's CLR2002 and BPX's I'd like to use in my new set-up.. room is fairly large 25 x 17 feet.. ceiling 10 ft high

Originally Posted by UofAZ1 

I run three separate amps for my 7.1 setup. My center LCR2002 is being fed by a Harmon Kardon 200 watt amp, my side surrounds DT Studio 450's by a B&K 105 wpc stereo amp and my rear surrounds DT Mythos Gems by an Adcom 60 wpc stereo amp. My mains BP7001's are being run by my receiver Onkyo 805 (just running two speakers the 805 can achieve 180 wpc) the only difference I found by using outboard amps was just the slightest (and I mean very slight) clarity to the sound and of course more headroom when being driven hard. If you have a capable receiver 99% of the population wouldn't tell a difference and since most of the time your only chugging along at 5-10 watts its not going to make that much of a difference. The DT's are very efficient.

Originally Posted by truwarrior22 

Nice, if you like DM, check out O.A.R. They have a new bluray coming out next month. Man, I tell you Audyssey and my HGS-18 sub sounds amazing... More good things to come my friend!

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

would really appreciate if anyone knew the answer to this. Thank you [/quote
I have the 8060ST's & 8060HD center. The light on the center is always red & the led's turn green on the ST's when in use. I verified that is the way it's supposed to be with tech support.

Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive 

Hi Larry, I am not sure that there is such a graph, but I'll check it out tomorrow when everybody's in. (We're off today for President's Day).

Originally Posted by MNaudioguy 

would really appreciate if anyone knew the answer to this. Thank you

Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive 

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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy

This may sound like a dumb question but i will ask anyway. Does anyone have the CS-8060HD center speaker? I just got my 8060 set and noticed the back of my towers the light initially turns on as red but quickly switches to green. I noticed the light on the back of the powered center channel is always red and never turns green. Can anyone else confirm theirs? I guess normallly i wouldnt be worried but I already have to exchange one of my front speakers because none of the bass kicks in. I tried swapping the L for the R and the same thing with the same speaker so i know its not the AVR. Anyway, thanks in advance!
Hello MN, the color of the LED is actually a simple story. The government has mandated that units that draw some power in standby, as our powered units do, should communicate that fact. So we have been changing over all our powered models so that they are red when in standby, green when operating. However, we didn't pull everything and re-manufacture (which would have been impractical). Instead, as we begin a new manufacturing run, we add the red / green lighting scheme. It seems that we have switched already on the BP 8060 towers, but haven't manufactured a new run of CS 8060 HD centers just yet. So, no worries... all is good! Best, Joe

Originally Posted by Larry L 

Thanks Joe. The real point of my question is that one ot the main reason some people state the speakers should be set to SMALL is to present less of a load on the AVR amp by not requiring the amp to produce the Lower frequencies. If these towers have a very high impedance at these low frquencies, I wonder if that reason is still valid.

Originally Posted by fscottwhite1 

Ironic as I just posted this yesterday on the DT Mythos thread....

So I just wanted to share my recent experiences with current and/or aspiring Mythos owners.

I had bought a full mythos system just about a year ago. It includes a pair of ST's up front, a Mythos 10 center channel and Gem XL's in the rear. It was a huge upgrade from what I had before. Unfortunately, I already had an AV receiver in place in the form of a Yamaha RX-V871. It has served me very well since I had it. It is a midrange piece in the Yamaha arsenal of AV receivers, but at the time, it boasted more than enough options, connections, etc., not to mention I got it for a steal at Costco. I grabbed it without even researching it which is something I rarely do.

Through my research of the Yamaha, I came across one reviewer who suggested adding external amplification. So this really ramped up my curiosity as I always felt that I could get more out of my speakers. Not that they ever sounded bad. My research took me down the path of powered amplification. The ratings on the Yamaha are by no means impressive....especially considering that most AV receivers are overrated on their power output capabilities on all channels driven continuously (according to reading extensive reviews/forums). According to several contributors abroad, power amplification could "increase overhead and dynamics." I wasted several hours of my life on the web trying to decide if an addition was worth the price because good amplifiers are not cheap.

After reading numerous websites, reviews and forums, I decided to pull the trigger on a Sunfire TGA 7401 power amplifier. I did not want the most expensive piece of gear. I just wanted to start on the lower end of high end(if that makes sense). I wanted an amp from a reputable name as well as one that had favorable reviews. It was hard to find any knocks against the Sunfire brand. I had strongly considered Emotiva, EAD, Parasound, Rotel, Sherbourne, Outlaw and ATI as well as others. All very good names in amplification in their own respect. I got mine used on ebay for a reasonable price compared to some other higher end pieces I considered. This amplifier provides 400 watts/channel continuously driven x 7 channels. I only use the 5 channels at the moment, but I thought I might as well have the option to add 2 more channels if I wanted to down the road.

My amp arrived from ebay in pristine shape. It was like brand new and oh so pretty :-) It didn't take me long to get things hooked up. I connected from the preouts on my Yamaha via unbalance RCA connectors that I scored from Bluejeans Cables. Those guys make some great cables! Powered on the amp and started with some music. Allow me to briefly explain how nervous I was in purchasing a very expensive piece of electronics from ebay without an audition. Unlike my Yamaha, if I didn't like this product, returning it would not be as easy as it would be with Costco. On to my first impressions.... WOW!!!!!! I mean.....holy s*%t!!! I expected some improvement but not to the extent of what I got. I now understand "increased headroom and dynamics." There is just a greater presence in the room. Everything has so much more oomph! I tend to listen to my music in 7 ch stereo which I have always enjoyed with Yamaha receivers vs 2 ch. The HD surround codecs are now off the chain realistic. I just finished watching The Pacific and some of the battle scenes were just downright crazy!! I'm not exaggerating by stating it felt like being there. Please keep in mind that I have recently moved into a new place that has a very open great room and no treatments. The room is fairly bare and it still sounds awesome! Went through all my heavily laden special effects Blu-rays and it's like a new collection. Of particular interest, the Omaha Beach landing from Saving Private Ryan, the pod racing scene in Star Wars Ep 1, the rescue of Morpheus from The Matrix and the final battle from The Avengers. I don't have any high end gear for music listening. It's just MP3 sources from my Apple TV iTunes and Pandora streaming from my Yamaha, but both still sound great! On the music side, I usually reference Alice in Chains Unplugged in its entirety, Hotel California from Hell Freezes Over, Pink Floyd Dark Side of The Moon Remastered in its entirety and Radiohead OK Computer in its entirety to name a small sample. It's like all my speakers were reborn and the separation of each channel is impressive. I didn't know my Gem XL's could sound so powerful given their size. I'm still in awe after a month.

Please allow me to clarify that I am certainly not trying to spark a debate of integrated vs separates in this post. It happens way too often and gets the topic at hand off point. I am merely sharing MY experiences. My next step would be to either add a higher end dedicated processor may that be a processor or better AV receiver. Maybe some better room correction like Audyssey XT32. It will be some time before I do that cuz this is not a cheap hobby. This forum has provided me with more than ample help with choosing what I have chosen so far. I consider this post a pay it forward to anybody who may have been in the same boat that I was in as far as debating about whether to take the route of power amplification or not for their Mythos(or any other) speaker system. Cheers!