Definitive Owners Thread - Page 953

Glad to hear your external amps are working out for you ! I've got BP 2000s for my front L/R and BP 10s for my surrounds. A Proceed Amp 3 drives the L/C/R and and an Acurus 200x3 powers my 3 surrounds. I've had this setup for the past 16+ years and I've been pretty happy with it.

Parts on the way. Can't beat Def Tech's customer service!

RIGHT! i have dealt with them only a couple times. I always tell people that it has always been some of the best CS. I am glad Chet is still around.

Fscottwhite don't get me wrong I love my amps in fact in my house I have three pretty major HT systems two are 7.1systems and all three are being run with outboard amps. The increased headroom is good but considering doubling the watts only generates a 3db increase in sound most people could easily run a DefTech system with a receiver with only 50 watts per channel. One of my stereo amps H/K Citation was hooked up to my BP7001's and the amp would tell you how many watts it was pushing. I put on LOTR The Two towers and put on a battle scene and played at ear bleeding levels and my Citation amp barely pushed 60 watts at some intense scenes.

I think the best improvement any person can do to their system is not spend tons of money on high end preamps but spend little money on room acoustic panelling which will give you the greatest improvement to sound quality.

I'd be interested in seeing what I could do for acoustic treatments. How does one go about that with bipolar speakers? In my research, the answers weren't exactly when any of us would want to hear with words like 'byproduct' being tossed around in each thread.

Cleatus you would never put acoustic panelling behind the bipolar speaker negating its intended purpose but you could place it along the side walls at the reflection points and on the ceiling above the speaker. In Fscottwhite's case he has the Mythos ST so in his case he can place panelling behind his speakers. I've gone into over a hundred home theater systems (its a hobby of mine after all) and the best sounding systems all used acoustic panelling. There is no greater impact one can make to improve a system. No high end preamps and über expensive amps with snake oil cabling. I've heard $50,000 systems in untreated rooms and simple $5,000 systems with acoustic treatments and guess which one sounded way better. You get the idea.

If you like a challenge, you'd love the HT room I have to work with!

The wall to the right of the front wall where the mains and screen is brick with a fireplace:eek:!

The wall to the left is partial leading out to a much larger couple of rooms.

The back wall has the 2 seat couch and a large window covered with long drapes.

Hello Uof AZ, you make several good points:

1. As a stated design goal, we want to make our speakers easy to drive. I re-read Roger Kanno's excellent review of the BP 8080 ST's today. He notes that high end electronics will make them sing, but a good 50 watt per channel receiver can make them sound good, too... which is not true of all high end speakers! We strive for products that folks wih champagne tastes and beer budgets can love. Having said that, great electronics will make them sound better still. Here's the link:
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/418-definitive-technology-bp-8080st-supertower-loudspeakers

2. The room itself is a key component, and many folks never think about that. Using at least some room treatments can really help. A really good speaker in a good room will almost always sound better than a great speaker in a bad room.

3. The same thing goes for speaker (and subwoofer) placement. There is no more cost-effective way to get better sound that I know of. Many domestic situations don't allow for moving speakers around the room, but if you can... experiment! Best, Joe

We call it wife aggro in the gaming world!

Would I see an improvement by stuffing my bp8060st towers with batting like I do in my car stereo sub boxes? This could, in theory, reduce internal resonance.

Also, I just picked up two new (open box) with warranty bp8060st towers for 1/2 price each shipped.

I tried it on my BP7000SC, lets say it didn't last in there very long. Killer deal BTW!

Im going to say no on this one! Think of those towers as a ported box with really fancy ports(radiators), and what happens when you stuff a ported box? You defeat the whole reason its ported! The only way I can see adding batting would be to attach it to the walls of the tower itself and not loosely stuff them. I'm pretty sure DF has put enough in there already.

Hi Steve, outside of the fact that it's not so easy to get in there, we already include some Dacron inside to reduce resonance issues. But there must be some air inside the cabinet too, and the engineers keep those two things in balance. So we don't suggest stuffing additional material inside. Best, Joe

Thank you everyone for your responses. Now I need to find a cs8080hd. Does anyone here have these speakers running on an emotiva xpa-5?

+1. Def tech is my customer service "gold standard".

I was playing my system today and couldn't help but notice that there is a bad echo coming from my rear right corner. So I would clap my hands and it sounds like resonance. I have one of my bpx right on the right wall about two feet from the rear wall. I can even hear the echo when I play music through my front speakers. Can anyone recommend a good acoustic treatments I can use? Thanks

Rollie check out some DIY threads on acoustic panels. You can buy firm Owens Corning insulation squares cover them in any cover material and hang them on the wall. Pretty cheap and easy to build.

If I want to use a CS8080HD with my BP8060STs, will i lose the timbre matching of the front stage? Do I need to use the CS8060HD in order to get the best sound from the fronts?

Steve

I would think so...but the 8080 center is a 1000 bucks...if I were you I would see if you can fit another 8060 tower in your setup......would be even better...if not an 8080 would be fine.

Bumping my question, fishing for Joe at Definitive!

I am sorry Bam, what's your question? I am off to visit customers in Asia for the next 12 days so I will be on here very sporadically. You can always e mail info@definitivetech.com and TJ, Adam and Chet will get with you, or just call and ask for them at 800-228-7148. Best, Joe

Can't beat the sound of the original BP2000's

I have almost the same set-up BP2000's front L/R , CLR2002 for center, original BPX's for rears and just purchased today the UIW RSS II for surrounds.. I'll be powering these up with the Yamaha 3020 or Pioneer Elite 68 - Prices of these should be falling by April 2013, Pionner has a new line up coming out..
Not bad for a 7 channel set-up..

Considering this set-up can take a max of 350 watts ? I was think of the Integra 80.3? or Emotivo 200wx5 and and seperate 300w x 2 for the front L/R.. Or should I just power the 7 channel's with the receiver for now?
Edited by DrZaus - 2/21/13 at 10:17pm

Hi friends

Hope everyone is doing well. I sold my great pair of 7000sc's on audiogon and am having trouble finding a way to ship them. I packaged them like how they came originally with added bubble wrap. Fed ex wouldn't take them. They said that one 7000sc box is over the weight limit of 70lbs for residential use. What should I do?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks
Chris

UPS might take them. I have sent large items before by Greyhound bus.

If not UPS, you may have to go "freight".
Did you come out OK on the sale? Just curious what they went for.

I know sometimes we get excited and don't think but you should of checked how to send them before you sold them...now you've got a headache to deal with...hope all comes out OK...

You should be able to find a local freight company who will ship them strapped to a pallet. Safe method but may cost you a little more than you hoped.

Try these guys. http://www.yrc.com/

All of the Definitive speakers are voiced the same, and with that being said, not only will the CS8080 work just fine with the BP8060's, but it will actually perform better than the CS8060 center channel due to the bigger drivers. People get to anal about trying to "timbre match" their front trio and often going with their perceptions of the "perfect center to match my mains". In reality, you should go with the best center channel that you can afford, as that is where 80% of the movie sounds come from!

I would like to pose a question for all of the Def Tech gurus out there...


How should room treatments be implemented with regards to using Def Tech bipolar speakers in a theater room? I do of course know that you should never use absorb panels on the front wall behind a bipolar speaker, but being that the whole point of using bipolar speakers is to bounce the sound waves off the room boundries, should any absorbt panels be used at all? Are the first reflection points ideal for this? Have any of you guys ever measured a pair of Def Tech bipolars? I woulds imagine that they would measure horrible. It just seems to me that the benefits to using Def Tech bi-poles are to get that emerging, deep sound stage that is commonly associated with these due to their bi-polar nature, and that using room treatments is a delicate task in trying not to mess with the emergence factor of the speakers. No one buys these speakers for their clarity, or detail, or even their mid-range lushness, or lack there of. NO! What people buy these speakers for is that great home theater bass feeling and the emergence factor that puts you right there in the middle of the action!

I would like to hear some more opinions from you guys on how yall feel about these things.



Marty