Definitive Owners Thread - Page 954

Originally Posted by Martycool007 

I would like to pose a question for all of the Def Tech gurus out there...


How should room treatments be implemented with regards to using Def Tech bipolar speakers in a theater room? I do of course know that you should never use absorb panels on the front wall behind a bipolar speaker, but being that the whole point of using bipolar speakers is to bounce the sound waves off the room boundries, should any absorbt panels be used at all? Are the first reflection points ideal for this? Have any of you guys ever measured a pair of Def Tech bipolars? I woulds imagine that they would measure horrible. It just seems to me that the benefits to using Def Tech bi-poles are to get that emerging, deep sound stage that is commonly associated with these due to their bi-polar nature, and that using room treatments is a delicate task in trying not to mess with the emergence factor of the speakers. No one buys these speakers for their clarity, or detail, or even their mid-range lushness, or lack there of. NO! What people buy these speakers for is that great home theater bass feeling and the emergence factor that puts you right there in the middle of the action!

I would like to hear some more opinions from you guys on how yall feel about these things.



Marty

Originally Posted by Martycool007 

No one buys these speakers for their clarity, or detail, or even their mid-range lushness, or lack there of. NO! What people buy these speakers for is that great home theater bass feeling and the emergence factor that puts you right there in the middle of the action!
Marty

Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive 

I am sorry Bam, what's your question? I am off to visit customers in Asia for the next 12 days so I will be on here very sporadically. You can always e mail info@definitivetech.com and TJ, Adam and Chet will get with you, or just call and ask for them at 800-228-7148. Best, Joe

Originally Posted by bradthebold88 

I just got an email from Newegg today with a coupon for 40% off select speakers, including BP-8060STs and 8 other Definitive speakers. The code is linked to your email though, but the 8060s would only be $1200 new.

Originally Posted by ben_r_ 

Wow that is a very decent deal! Lucky you guys!

Originally Posted by rdclark 

Doesn't need luck, just needs you to sign up for Newegg's email ads. Worthwhile for anyone who shops for electronics, IMO.

Originally Posted by rollie83 

Recently i came across a clr2002 so im thinking about getting it . I wonder how it will go against my third bp8b as a center. Reason is why im thinking of getting it is cause the bp8b that im using as a center, while great, is giving me problems as far as not being able to fit an entertaintment center between my speakers. From all the reviews ive heard, the clr 2002 is awesone so im thinking of trying it. Im sure the clr2002 is similar and would match my bp8s. Any input is appreciated!

Originally Posted by yosh7 

Martycool, interesting! I am approaching the same task as I finish converting my "listening basement" to a true theater room. AND I am flying blind as I too have decided not to do any measurements for now. We really should buy an omnimic, but from everything I have been reading on the internet extensive corner/room bass trapping will be nothing but beneficial. Since this may take away some of the bi-polarness, (by putting broadband absorbers in the front corners behind bi-polar speakers) I have found a company that builds a scatter board in front of the trap to help maintain the higher frequency air in the room.

Here is a fantastic article on acoustic treatments that has helped me a ton....http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

Here is what I am looking at for the corners....http://gikacoustics.com/product/gik-acoustics-tri-trap/ (with the built in scatter board for some of them) and for some of the other areas of the room....http://gikacoustics.com/product/gik-acoustics-monster-bass-trap/ They seem reasonably priced and have the option of adding the built-in diffusers so that (hopefully) they will not diminish the "bi-polarness" of the front image. I plan on being as generous as I can afford with the broadband bass traps around the room.

I have also looked at Auralex (just decided I didn't like the look of the foam and have read that it may not be as effective as the alternatives) and have also looked at DIY Owens Corning 703 or 705 fiber boards.

Because I am in the middle of buying carpet, and hopefully a projector and screen I may not get to go as nuts as I want. I have a feeling carpet my negate my need for acoustic panels for the mid and high frequency control but this may not be the case. I may just do it in steps as well so that I can hear the differences as I go along. After bass trapping I will determine if I need acoustic panels for the side walls and with bi-polar speakers, I may add some additional diffusion to the side and rear walls.

Best of luck on everything. Bottom line....Ethan's article above is very informative and should give you a good start. AND like you, I am avoiding putting anything on the front and rear walls (other than maybe diffusion and bass trapping in corners) so that I avoid losing the "bi-polarness" that I enjoy.

Originally Posted by Martycool007 

I would like to pose a question for all of the Def Tech gurus out there...


How should room treatments be implemented with regards to using Def Tech bipolar speakers in a theater room? I do of course know that you should never use absorb panels on the front wall behind a bipolar speaker, but being that the whole point of using bipolar speakers is to bounce the sound waves off the room boundries, should any absorbt panels be used at all? Are the first reflection points ideal for this? Have any of you guys ever measured a pair of Def Tech bipolars? I woulds imagine that they would measure horrible. It just seems to me that the benefits to using Def Tech bi-poles are to get that emerging, deep sound stage that is commonly associated with these due to their bi-polar nature, and that using room treatments is a delicate task in trying not to mess with the emergence factor of the speakers. No one buys these speakers for their clarity, or detail, or even their mid-range lushness, or lack there of. NO! What people buy these speakers for is that great home theater bass feeling and the emergence factor that puts you right there in the middle of the action!

I would like to hear some more opinions from you guys on how yall feel about these things.



Marty

Originally Posted by Bigham16 

Hey Marty,

Take a look at how I placed my acoustic panels in my room. None are behind my 7002's but placed around them with fantastic results. Hope this helps.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1227548/new-definitive-technology-setup-by-bigham16

Originally Posted by badbadleroybrown 

Hi all,
New to posting in these boards, although I've used it as a reference to just about every A/V purchase I've made in the last 5 years. I haven't purchased a set in a while and just got a killer deal on (2) 8020's and the CS8040HD. But if i remember correctly when I purchased my 7002's, they were specifically L & R. I noticed the 8000 series didn't seem to be matched like that. My dealer checked his inventory and none of his stock were specifically labeled L or R. Is this correct? This thought just occurred to me as I was setting them up and i figured i'd ask you all before I shoot an email over to DefTech. Thanks for any help.

Originally Posted by bradthebold88 

Your room looks great. What type of fabric did you use to cover the panels?

Originally Posted by Martycool007 

I would like to pose a question for all of the Def Tech gurus out there...


How should room treatments be implemented with regards to using Def Tech bipolar speakers in a theater room? I do of course know that you should never use absorb panels on the front wall behind a bipolar speaker, but being that the whole point of using bipolar speakers is to bounce the sound waves off the room boundries, should any absorbt panels be used at all? Are the first reflection points ideal for this? Have any of you guys ever measured a pair of Def Tech bipolars? I woulds imagine that they would measure horrible. It just seems to me that the benefits to using Def Tech bi-poles are to get that emerging, deep sound stage that is commonly associated with these due to their bi-polar nature, and that using room treatments is a delicate task in trying not to mess with the emergence factor of the speakers. No one buys these speakers for their clarity, or detail, or even their mid-range lushness, or lack there of. NO! What people buy these speakers for is that great home theater bass feeling and the emergence factor that puts you right there in the middle of the action!

I would like to hear some more opinions from you guys on how yall feel about these things.



Marty

Originally Posted by CleatusCat 

I went to Home Depot to get a look at the OC703 or 705 and they didn't have any. The stuff is like 2" foam boards right? They did have stuff like that but it didn't look porous. It was like a shiney plastic shell, not the aluminum shelled stuff. It looked like it would be more reflective than absorbtive.

Originally Posted by threepwood 

Hello Gentlemen:

Long-time lurker, first-time poster here in need of your expert advice and guidance.

I will soon be moving to Japan and would like to bring a 7.1 system with me. My budget is around $1700, although of course the less spent, the better.

I'll install the receiver + speakers in an open-floor plan combination living/dining/kitchen. Total space is around 20 square meters (about 215 square feet), in a rectangular configuration. Floors are wood (heating elements underneath) and walls are a combination of gyp board (non-load bearing) and concrete (load bearing). Windows are along one side. We'll have the usual assortment of furniture (dining table and chairs, couch, coffee table, club chair, a few cabinets or bookcases, etc.).

For the receiver, I've been considering either a Denon AVR-2113CI or AVR-1913; for the speakers Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 800s (6 of them) plus Pro Center 1000 plus Pro Sub 800 OR Pro Monitor 1000s (6 of them) plus Pro Center 2000 plus Pro Sub 1000. The system will be used to watch movies (40%), TV (mostly sports, 30%), music (20%), and video games (PS3, 10%). My questions:

1. Is the 1913 enough, or am I better off with the superior features of the 2113? Or is there another model I should instead be considering?
2. Is the 800 set-up (with Pro Center 1000) going to properly fill the space, or should I upgrade to the 1000s (with Pro Center 2000)?
3. If I go with the 800 set-up, should I upgrade the center to the Pro Center 2000? (I've seen this mentioned in a few threads here as being advantageous for movie dialog.)
4. What about dual sub woofers? Is there any advantage to these in the type of space I've described?
5. Anything else that you all in your infinite wisdom can suggest, or that I'm not thinking about but should?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by bradthebold88 

I just got an email from Newegg today with a coupon for 40% off select speakers, including BP-8060STs and 8 other Definitive speakers. The code is linked to your email though, but the 8060s would only be $1200 new.

Originally Posted by GatorFla 

I just signed up for newegg email subscription. Any chance I will be offered the same deal? With that price, might be all I need to pull the trigger.