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The start of my system should be here no later than Sept 10th. Got the 7000's and CS8080HD ordered. Also a new Sanus TV stand. Super excited!

But as for now im doing research into the rest of my system and future system upgrades(christmas is just around the corner...)

I have seen quite a few people running external amps in their setup. Are there any advantages to this besides removing load from receiver? I am going to be driving a 5.2 system with my pioneer elite SC-55. Ultimately id like to expand to 9.2 with side surrounds and front heights. Eventually getting a dedicated sub(when i get out of this tiny apartment).

Lastly, for those who have heard both i havnt found a real good comparison between the BPVX and the 8080's. What do you guys think price/performance wise? Is the sound of the BPVX defiently worth the step up form the 8080's especially when paired with the 7000s?
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

The start of my system should be here no later than Sept 10th. Got the 7000's and CS8080HD ordered. Also a new Sanus TV stand. Super excited!

But as for now im doing research into the rest of my system and future system upgrades(christmas is just around the corner...)

I have seen quite a few people running external amps in their setup. Are there any advantages to this besides removing load from receiver? I am going to be driving a 5.2 system with my pioneer elite SC-55. Ultimately id like to expand to 9.2 with side surrounds and front heights. Eventually getting a dedicated sub(when i get out of this tiny apartment).

Lastly, for those who have heard both i havnt found a real good comparison between the BPVX and the 8080's. What do you guys think price/performance wise? Is the sound of the BPVX defiently worth the step up form the 8080's especially when paired with the 7000s?

Some people really like external amps. I don't really see the point though. The 7000s have a sensitivity of 92dB/W. So to hit reference level peaks at 2 meters only requires 80W. Average reference level requires less than 1W at 2m for 85dB.

If you really want to crank the mids and highs all the time above 105dB, then an amp would help you. Most of the time, however, you'll probably be using less than 1W of power.

Some people think 1 W from a dedicated amp is better than 1 W from a receiver, but I haven't been convinced of it yet. There are a lot of threads on here you can read through.

I've only heard the 8080 surrounds in a showroom and wasn't that impressed. I do love my BPVXs, though I've never lived with both.

Edit: Plus the 8080 surrounds only have two 3 1/2" (actual measurement) mids compared to four 6 1/2" mids in the BPVXs. There shouldn't be any comparison.
Edited by bradthebold88 - 8/20/13 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

The start of my system should be here no later than Sept 10th. Got the 7000's and CS8080HD ordered. Also a new Sanus TV stand. Super excited!

But as for now im doing research into the rest of my system and future system upgrades(christmas is just around the corner...)

I have seen quite a few people running external amps in their setup. Are there any advantages to this besides removing load from receiver? I am going to be driving a 5.2 system with my pioneer elite SC-55. Ultimately id like to expand to 9.2 with side surrounds and front heights. Eventually getting a dedicated sub(when i get out of this tiny apartment).

Lastly, for those who have heard both i havnt found a real good comparison between the BPVX and the 8080's. What do you guys think price/performance wise? Is the sound of the BPVX defiently worth the step up form the 8080's especially when paired with the 7000s?

I had the promonitor 1000s for my rear surrounds and they blew the first week, I replaced them with the 8080 bipolars, man they look good and give awesome surround effects. So far theyve kept up real nice, and sound good
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Depends also on speaker placement, calibration, room size and layout, receiver, media source, ect
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Originally Posted by ThePrisoner View Post

Joe,

My 8060 towers volume levels are 11 o'clock each, my CS8060 is crossed over at 60hz and the woofer sounds real good with my volume around 1or 2 o'clock which seems high. Is this because the speaker is set to small with a crossover set? If I lower the volume to match the towers the woofer has hardly any workout.
Hello Prisoner, I would echo Brad's comments. The dials on your BP 8060 towers are there because the speaker will interact with your room environment in a way that differs from the next customers. Rooms have a huge influence on speakers, especially on the bass! You may even find the best sound with each speaker set to a different level. For example, if the left fron speaker is in the corner, getting lots of room gain because of the walls, and the right front is next to an opening to the dining room, it might sound best to have the right one set at 12:00 or 1:00, with the left at 11:00, if that makes sense. Similarly with the CS 8060 at 60 Hz. If it works out great there, go for it - but I urge you to experiment, especially after they loosen up with some use. Think of the drivers as being like a new baseball glove. It's great the day you get it, but it's better halfway through the season. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by bradthebold88 View Post

Some people really like external amps. I don't really see the point though. The 7000s have a sensitivity of 92dB/W. So to hit reference level peaks at 2 meters only requires 80W. Average reference level requires less than 1W at 2m for 85dB.

If you really want to crank the mids and highs all the time above 105dB, then an amp would help you. Most of the time, however, you'll probably be using less than 1W of power.

Some people think 1 W from a dedicated amp is better than 1 W from a receiver, but I haven't been convinced of it yet. There are a lot of threads on here you can read through.

I've only heard the 8080 surrounds in a showroom and wasn't that impressed. I do love my BPVXs, though I've never lived with both.

Edit: Plus the 8080 surrounds only have two 3 1/2" (actual measurement) mids compared to four 6 1/2" mids in the BPVXs. There shouldn't be any comparison.
Hi Brad, good comments here. The BPVX's are heavyweight devices and sound really good, but we have lots of very happy customers with the SR-8080 BP's too. Do keep in mind that the SR 8080 surrounds have 4 1/2 inch drivers when measured not directly across, but with a flexible measurement device like a tape measure. The drivers in nearly all dynamic speakers are convex, so measuring that way is pretty standard for speaker vendors. I hope this helps - best, Joe
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Originally Posted by Stormsoldat View Post

Hi guys!

I am considering to buy the Studiomonitor 65 or 55 as front speakers. My plan at first was to hide them in a wall mounted console with speaker cloth in front of them. But I saw that they also have a driver on top.

How will the sound be if I was to enclose them in such a way in a console? My concern is that I will degrade the quality by doing so because of the driver on top.

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Hi Storm, yes, the 65's and 55's have top mounted bass radiators. If it's possible to give them some clearance inside the cabinet, do so, as even a few inches above them will help. But do keep in mind that any speaker will sound better in free space than inside a cabinet, which is much more cosmetically acceptable, but has sonic compromises. You can prove this to yourself by simply cupping your hands around your mouth while you speak, then taking your hands away. It sounds a lot different of course...but we do what we do in order to maintain domestic tranquility smile.gif Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi Storm, yes, the 65's and 55's have top mounted bass radiators. If it's possible to give them some clearance inside the cabinet, do so, as even a few inches above them will help. But do keep in mind that any speaker will sound better in free space than inside a cabinet, which is much more cosmetically acceptable, but has sonic compromises. You can prove this to yourself by simply cupping your hands around your mouth while you speak, then taking your hands away. It sounds a lot different of course...but we do what we do in order to maintain domestic tranquility smile.gif Best, Joe


Hey Joe, I just wanted to say that I love this Trinity I got, it's a beast and does awesome in movies!
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Originally Posted by Stormsoldat View Post

Hi guys!

I am considering to buy the Studiomonitor 65 or 55 as front speakers. My plan at first was to hide them in a wall mounted console with speaker cloth in front of them. But I saw that they also have a driver on top.

How will the sound be if I was to enclose them in such a way in a console? My concern is that I will degrade the quality by doing so because of the driver on top.

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Hi Storm, yes, the 65's and 55's have top mounted bass radiators. If it's possible to give them some clearance inside the cabinet, do so, as even a few inches above them will help. But do keep in mind that any speaker will sound better in free space than inside a cabinet, which is much more cosmetically acceptable, but has sonic compromises. You can prove this to yourself by simply cupping your hands around your mouth while you speak, then taking your hands away. It sounds a lot different of course...but we do what we do in order to maintain domestic tranquility smile.gif Best, Joe

Thank you very much for your response!

I am really looking forward to hook everything up! I have listened to the STS speakers and I was amazed by the sound. I hope that these will stand up to my expectations.

After reading your response I believe I will wall mount the speakers on each side of a glossy black wall cabinet instead which I also believe will blend in pretty smoothly.

I was also planning on purchasing two promonitors 800 or smaller speakers from another brand as surround speakers in the back. But it just occurred to me that they perhaps would not be suitable in the company of such large speakers in front. What is your opinion regarding that?

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I was also planning on purchasing two promonitors 800 or smaller speakers from another brand as surround speakers in the back. But it just occurred to me that they perhaps would not be suitable in the company of such large speakers in front. What is your opinion regarding that?

If your processor can set different crossover frequencies for each channel, using PM800s for surrounds should work well, as long as it's mostly for movies rather than source material that uses all channels equally, like multichannel music does. But be careful if you have a processor -- like all Pioneer AVRs for example -- that uses the same crossover frequency for all channels, which means you end up being limited by your smallest speaker.
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Originally Posted by Stormsoldat View Post

I was also planning on purchasing two promonitors 800 or smaller speakers from another brand as surround speakers in the back. But it just occurred to me that they perhaps would not be suitable in the company of such large speakers in front. What is your opinion regarding that?

If your processor can set different crossover frequencies for each channel, using PM800s for surrounds should work well, as long as it's mostly for movies rather than source material that uses all channels equally, like multichannel music does. But be careful if you have a processor -- like all Pioneer AVRs for example -- that uses the same crossover frequency for all channels, which means you end up being limited by your smallest speaker.

Thank you for the advice! I had not thought of that!

I will definitely want to play my music on only two channels with a subwoofer.

I have had my eyes set on the Onkyo TX-NR626 to run with the Definitive speakers. I'll have to check if it is capable of those things!

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Stormsoldat glad you chose not to put bookshelves inside your wall. I'm of the believe that you want as little hinderence to your speakers and placing them in any cabinet will do that by changing the tone and sound of the speaker and what it was designed to sound like. The passive radiator distributes sound in an omni directional pattern and in a cabinet that is not good and depending on how far you place the speaker inside a wall or cabinet can have negative effects on the upper frequencies with the enclosure restricting the sound of the tweeter and mid bass woofer. Keep em open and free flowing for the best sound.
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Got a pair of AW 6500's for outdoor movie nights. My eaves are 25' off the ground so I constructed a couple of canopies for them so I can place them to the left and right of the screen on my trellis. Maybe I'll throw up a pic later- just got tired of dragging my BP 20's in and out of the garage so they're back in the living room for wides...go figure. biggrin.gif

Hoping they integrate well with my sub I made. They are VERY large and well built- no surprise- so I'm hoping for decent response to 80/100hz or so.

take care, all.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 8/22/13 at 7:55am
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Hey guys, brand new to the forum and found this thread...got a question about my setup. I'm currently designing a theater room in my basement and have some older speakers that I'm trying to use one last time. I'm trying to see what Def Tech surrounds would be best for my room. It's really long, but not very wide (10.5' wide and 29' long). My thought was to use a set of dipole/bipole speakers for the side surrounds and my old surrounds for the rear wall. Here's what I have:

Denon 3605
Bose 701 front main
Polk CSI A6 Center
Bose 301 rear surround
Def Tech 8080 or 8040PD side surround

Also, I'm running the wires for the side surrounds...what would be the optimal position? I've read that 2' behind the primary listener is best...thoughts? That would put them about the 17' mark.

Here is a pic of the design...any thoughts?


Edited by joe603 - 8/22/13 at 10:38am
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^^^ I think your side surrounds look like they are perfectly positioned now (in your diagram). Recommendation is typically between 90 and 120 degrees from the primary seat etc. - IE, either directly to the side of the primary position our up to 30 degrees back from there. I tend to go to the 120 given better overall performance between 5 and 7+ channel soundtracks.

Observation: Given the width of your room you would need a display covering the entire width of the front wall to accommodate a 15 ft viewing distance. I know your seating arrangement is probably dictating the current distance yet you may want to prewire two locations for your side surrounds in the event you push the seat up say 10 ft from your TV. Have a pair of inwall wires on each side, one at 12 ft and the other at 17ft (your current config). Totally cheap/easy to do now. smile.gif

Bipoles would work great for the surrounds - Being a DT fan I can easily recommend the 8080s or the older BPX, even the BPXVs surrounds.
"Rear" speakers don't need to be bipole, a smaller pair of direct radiating speakers can work quite well. Given their distance behind you direct radiating would probably be best regardless.


Cheers
Edited by KJSmitty - 8/22/13 at 11:34am
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I'm not using a projector...just a 60" 3D Mitsu DLP so the front is not a wall of video (I would love to have it that way but, to much $$). I may move the couch on the wall closer to pull in the loveseat...2-3 feet maybe. So if I put the surrounds at 15' I should be good.

The room is "finished" in that the sheetrock is up and builder's paint. Needs to be painted, new carpet, add a wall in the front that goes to another part of the basement, plus put in the door. The cool thing about the layout is the rear equipment room. I bought an IR blaster, but I'm not sure what should actually go in the room instead of the racks. I'm thinking my game systems (PS3, Wii, Xbox 360) and everything else in racks hidden.

How long do you think I can hold out using my 701s? lol
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Originally Posted by Blackmambakila View Post

Hey Joe, I just wanted to say that I love this Trinity I got, it's a beast and does awesome in movies!
You are right sir - the Trinity is a beast. Enjoy it! Best, Joe
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I just thought of something while reading a CNET article on Golden Ear's Triton 7's. Since DT and GE are kinda sister companies under Sandy Gross, wouldn't that be awesome if the 9000 series DT Super Towers had some of those High Velocity Folded Ribbon tweeters?! AND..while I'm dreaming..have adjustable gain on the rear bipolar output for when we wanna kick it old school and not be Forward Focused 24/7. Subs could stay the same for all I care, but wow, that would be an amazing 9000 series tower.
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Not sure if I like the ribbons over domes...
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Yeah I'm not sure either, but every credible review I've ever read says those ribbons far out-perform most dome tweeters.
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Pardon this repost, I accidently started a new thread with the below, and no one moved me so I am reposting where it needs to go.

Hi, I'm new 'round here and this looks like a great place for some advice. Having suffered a fire recently, my BP3000 fronts, BP2000 rears and CLR3000 center speaker are pushing harp music only these days, and due to the insurance people dillying and dallying their rears off, I find my initial replacement wishlist impossible by two weeks with DefTech canceling the 7000s. This leaves me going in circles trying to decide wtf. First blush, I think 4 8080STs, and center CS-8080, and a Supercube Reference to help make up the difference. google google google, and I'm thinking Mythos ST for the fronts, Studio Monitor 65s for rear, Mythos Ten for center with an SVS Ultra 13.

Comparing the Myrhos ST to the 8080 spec-wise would have the Mythos in the lead, but it has 1 less tweeter, 1 less midrange, less power for a sub system with less surface area, but somehow it is more efficient by 1 dB, and goes deeper??? How matched/mismatched would the Studio Monitor be [how similar are the various BDMS 51/4s]???? About the only thing I'm sure of is going for the SVS sub, that I can't wait for!

So, I realize a lot of this may have been discussed, but please, just point me, 990 pages!, and there's a lot of other stuff doing that harp thing! Any infos/assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

EDIT-Forgot DefTech owners thread was a thread, so I meant this to go there, shoulda just replied, please move me if that is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by mechtheist View Post

Pardon this repost, I accidently started a new thread with the below, and no one moved me so I am reposting where it needs to go.

Hi, I'm new 'round here and this looks like a great place for some advice. Having suffered a fire recently, my BP3000 fronts, BP2000 rears and CLR3000 center speaker are pushing harp music only these days, and due to the insurance people dillying and dallying their rears off, I find my initial replacement wishlist impossible by two weeks with DefTech canceling the 7000s. This leaves me going in circles trying to decide wtf. First blush, I think 4 8080STs, and center CS-8080, and a Supercube Reference to help make up the difference. google google google, and I'm thinking Mythos ST for the fronts, Studio Monitor 65s for rear, Mythos Ten for center with an SVS Ultra 13.

Comparing the Myrhos ST to the 8080 spec-wise would have the Mythos in the lead, but it has 1 less tweeter, 1 less midrange, less power for a sub system with less surface area, but somehow it is more efficient by 1 dB, and goes deeper??? How matched/mismatched would the Studio Monitor be [how similar are the various BDMS 51/4s]???? About the only thing I'm sure of is going for the SVS sub, that I can't wait for!

So, I realize a lot of this may have been discussed, but please, just point me, 990 pages!, and there's a lot of other stuff doing that harp thing! Any infos/assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

EDIT-Forgot DefTech owners thread was a thread, so I meant this to go there, shoulda just replied, please move me if that is the way to go.

Where did you read def tech is canceling the 7000's? I definitely just ordered a pair
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Originally Posted by mechtheist View Post

Pardon this repost, I accidently started a new thread with the below, and no one moved me so I am reposting where it needs to go.

Hi, I'm new 'round here and this looks like a great place for some advice. Having suffered a fire recently, my BP3000 fronts, BP2000 rears and CLR3000 center speaker are pushing harp music only these days, and due to the insurance people dillying and dallying their rears off, I find my initial replacement wishlist impossible by two weeks with DefTech canceling the 7000s. This leaves me going in circles trying to decide wtf. First blush, I think 4 8080STs, and center CS-8080, and a Supercube Reference to help make up the difference. google google google, and I'm thinking Mythos ST for the fronts, Studio Monitor 65s for rear, Mythos Ten for center with an SVS Ultra 13.

Comparing the Myrhos ST to the 8080 spec-wise would have the Mythos in the lead, but it has 1 less tweeter, 1 less midrange, less power for a sub system with less surface area, but somehow it is more efficient by 1 dB, and goes deeper??? How matched/mismatched would the Studio Monitor be [how similar are the various BDMS 51/4s]???? About the only thing I'm sure of is going for the SVS sub, that I can't wait for!

So, I realize a lot of this may have been discussed, but please, just point me, 990 pages!, and there's a lot of other stuff doing that harp thing! Any infos/assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

EDIT-Forgot DefTech owners thread was a thread, so I meant this to go there, shoulda just replied, please move me if that is the way to go.

Go used.

A new 7000 setup would be $12k with 4 of them and an 8080 center. A new 8080st setup would be $7k. A used BP2000/CLR3000 setup would be $2700 on the high end, $1600 on the low end. I think the 2000s sound better than the 8000s I've heard and the 7000s are definitely not worth it to me if you're getting dedicated subs. Go with a pair of HSU VTF15s and that would be a better deal than the SVS for the same price, give you a better FR and probably more output.
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Wow, it's been a while since I've checked in here, pleased to see some new faces and some older ones! I have a question that might be directed towards some of the more older school DT owners. A couple years ago I bought some parts from our ebay guy to make a pair or CLR2000's to use as surround backs to round out a 7.1 system. But then I got busy becoming a father and moving and Lord only knows what else and I am only now just getting around to setting them up, FINALLY. My question goes to anyone who knows or has been into the interior of the CLR2000. I see the cabinet is a vented enclosure and being as it's a DIY project I only bought the drivers, cabinet, xover, skirt, and end caps. The way the vent section in front is drilled out it seems to suggest there might be a port insert of some kind that is intended for the hole. Is this the case or is it just supposed to be the naked drilled out holes? I am afraid the speaker tuning would be screwed up if the ports aren't set up properly. Also, does a factory produced CLR2000 come with any sound batting or stuffing inside the cabinet?
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

Where did you read def tech is canceling the 7000's? I definitely just ordered a pair

First from the dealer I was going through, then from DefTech themselves. They quit "2 weeks ago" they told me about Tuesday, I think that's the day I called, did you order more than two weeks ago? I was told there really aren't any to be had nationwide, but I think they are still building to fulfill orders.
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Originally Posted by bradthebold88 View Post

Go used.

A new 7000 setup would be $12k with 4 of them and an 8080 center. A new 8080st setup would be $7k. A used BP2000/CLR3000 setup would be $2700 on the high end, $1600 on the low end. I think the 2000s sound better than the 8000s I've heard and the 7000s are definitely not worth it to me if you're getting dedicated subs. Go with a pair of HSU VTF15s and that would be a better deal than the SVS for the same price, give you a better FR and probably more output.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm a little leery going used, especially as the price isn't such a big concern being replacement under insurance. My dealer said there was a demo pair possibly available, if I acted quckly, which I can't because I gotta wait for the money from the insurance people,. but even so, have you seen speakers used for demos? Speakers often have these nice shiny 'buttons' you can press on, aka 1 inch aluminum dome tweeters or the like.
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Originally Posted by mechtheist View Post

First from the dealer I was going through, then from DefTech themselves. They quit "2 weeks ago" they told me about Tuesday, I think that's the day I called, did you order more than two weeks ago? I was told there really aren't any to be had nationwide, but I think they are still building to fulfill orders.

I ordered about a week ago Google the magnolia design Center in Atlanta Georgia. I ordered through them and had no problems. Less than 2 weeks ago. When I get home to my computer I will email you the number
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Originally Posted by mechtheist View Post

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm a little leery going used, especially as the price isn't such a big concern being replacement under insurance. My dealer said there was a demo pair possibly available, if I acted quckly, which I can't because I gotta wait for the money from the insurance people,. but even so, have you seen speakers used for demos? Speakers often have these nice shiny 'buttons' you can press on, aka 1 inch aluminum dome tweeters or the like.

I have bought a lot of used Definitives and never had problems, or problems I didn't know about at least. Just listen and make sure all the driver's work you'll save a ton. For the price difference between new and used you could replace all the drivers, amps, etc if you could find the parts. Any of the old tweeters I have have a little grill over them that prevents pushing. Just pull the socks down to make sure there's no obvious damage, holes in the surrounds, etc. If it's going to be no cost to you to upgrade, then sure, go for the 7000s. But if it's a multi thousand dollar difference, I would consider used at least.

Also, the Mythos are much different speakers since they aren't bipolar like the others. Most people tend to prefer one to the other and I found them to be pretty different.
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Try the magnolia design center at this number. I ordered through their less than a week ago or about a week ago and mine are schedueled to arrive on sept 4th.

770-391-4732
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For anyone who read the post before i edited this sorry for my rant, i fianlly found my answers in a good review. However I have one more question. The Def Tech site says the 7000's are rated fro 1000w rms? is this a bloated number? or is this refering to part of the pwoer to drive the sub? How much can the 7000's actually handle RMS?(debating the Emotiva XPR for more overhead and louder music listening for parties, or a 2 channel amp to just drive the 7000's for stereo listening). Currently driving them with a Pioneer Elite SC -55
Edited by anteroth - 8/23/13 at 5:49pm
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