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post #29761 of 30929
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

Im specifically looking at the difference between the BPVX's and the SR8080 surrounds. Worth the upgrade to anyone who has heard both?

I've heard the 8080s and own BPVXs and BPXs. I love my BP(V)Xs and was not that impressed with the 8080s in the showroom. Granted, they aren't comparable at all. The BPVXs have double of much bigger drivers and their retail price is double what the 8080s are. They are more comparable to BP2Xs with smaller drivers. My brother has my BPXs and a pair of BP2Xs and says that he likes the BP2Xs even. I bought those BP2Xs for $125.

I've only heard the 8080 surrounds in a showroom though, so maybe they're better setup in a real room.
post #29762 of 30929
Lastly i've heard the feedback that a dedicated sup does not really complement the 8080's on sound, but what about impact? i ahve only head the 8060 in a show room and i was not super impressed with the impact. It was crisp, and responsive for music but i was not sure it had the same impact as a dedicated sub. It oculd have been because i was just listening to 2ch audio and movie playback may be more dynamic. But even still it remains my major concern on whether to get a dedicated sub or surrounds.

Using the price difference form the 7000s and the 8080 to cover it so really only covers one or the other. I have klipsch Ks-14s on surround duty right now. And the wife has veto'd going to a 7 speaker system with sides surrounds. Maybe best option is to wait on the sub and see how the 8080's perform impact wise. Hmm sorry for the ramble....this is my "not getting the 7000s ive saved all year for rant" tongue.gif

also anyone recomend a good speaker stand for the BPVX, SR8080 shape?

Decided on the BPVX's i listen to a lot of mulitchannel music to fill the space better(thats with my klipsch may be a lot less necessary with bipolar speakers) and better dynamic once i upgrade to a bigger space and can more optimally place them. Also not going to go with a dedicated sub for now. I realized the practicallity of it is i live in an apartment...i don't NEED that much bass right now...just want it,
Edited by anteroth - 8/28/13 at 6:05pm
post #29763 of 30929
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

Lastly i've heard the feedback that a dedicated sup does not really complement the 8080's on sound, but what about impact? i ahve only head the 8060 in a show room and i was not super impressed with the impact. It was crisp, and responsive for music but i was not sure it had the same impact as a dedicated sub. It oculd have been because i was just listening to 2ch audio and movie playback may be more dynamic. But even still it remains my major concern on whether to get a dedicated sub or surrounds.

Using the price difference form the 7000s and the 8080 to cover it so really only covers one or the other. I have klipsch Ks-14s on surround duty right now. And the wife has veto'd going to a 7 speaker system with sides surrounds. Maybe best option is to wait on the sub and see how the 8080's perform impact wise. Hmm sorry for the ramble....this is my "not getting the 7000s ive saved all year for rant" tongue.gif

also anyone recomend a good speaker stand for the BPVX, SR8080 shape?

Decided on the BPVX's i listen to a lot of mulitchannel music to fill the space better(thats with my klipsch may be a lot less necessary with bipolar speakers) and better dynamic once i upgrade to a bigger space and can more optimally place them. Also not going to go with a dedicated sub for now. I realized the practicallity of it is i live in an apartment...i don't NEED that much bass right now...just want it,

As for the BPVXs, good choice. BPXs would be very close to the same if you find cheap ones of those, and they're lighter too. The BPVXs weight 27lbs, so they can be difficult to mount or get a stable stand for.

As for subs, the difference (in MSRP at least) between 7000s and 8080st's is $2500. You could get a pair of VTF15s and a pair of BPVXs for that. BPVXs should be $500-600 for a decent deal.

As for getting a dedicated sub, the reason would be that the 8080st do not go low. My subs are flat to below 10Hz in my room. A Klipsch RW-12D that's on sale for $300 on Newegg all the time goes down to 21Hz. There is a lot of movie content below 35Hz. That said, the 8080s would be good for higher, punchier bass. A pair of VTF15s would be good for lower bass.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/definitive-technology-bp-8080st-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures
"The –3-dB point is at 35 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 33 Hz"

Bass really depends on room too. So if the showroom was significantly larger than your room, you should get a lot more bass impact in your room.
post #29764 of 30929
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Originally Posted by anteroth View Post

Lastly i've heard the feedback that a dedicated sup does not really complement the 8080's on sound, but what about impact? i ahve only head the 8060 in a show room and i was not super impressed with the impact. It was crisp, and responsive for music but i was not sure it had the same impact as a dedicated sub. It oculd have been because i was just listening to 2ch audio and movie playback may be more dynamic. But even still it remains my major concern on whether to get a dedicated sub or surrounds.

Using the price difference form the 7000s and the 8080 to cover it so really only covers one or the other. I have klipsch Ks-14s on surround duty right now. And the wife has veto'd going to a 7 speaker system with sides surrounds. Maybe best option is to wait on the sub and see how the 8080's perform impact wise. Hmm sorry for the ramble....this is my "not getting the 7000s ive saved all year for rant" tongue.gif

also anyone recomend a good speaker stand for the BPVX, SR8080 shape?

Decided on the BPVX's i listen to a lot of mulitchannel music to fill the space better(thats with my klipsch may be a lot less necessary with bipolar speakers) and better dynamic once i upgrade to a bigger space and can more optimally place them. Also not going to go with a dedicated sub for now. I realized the practicallity of it is i live in an apartment...i don't NEED that much bass right now...just want it,

If you need stands, why didn't you just get another pair of towers for the rear?
post #29765 of 30929
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Originally Posted by truwarrior22 View Post

If you need stands, why didn't you just get another pair of towers for the rear?

Budget and space. And i like the wider dispersion of the bpvxs
post #29766 of 30929
Well, as sad as not getting the 7000's is I have taken to heart the comments on the actualy frequency response of the reference as well as the high quality of the towers themselves. I Looked into rythmic audio and currently have my eyes set on a dual set of f25's. I will start with one and order the other later due to cost. Also wont be buying them until i get to my next duty station and move into a house. According the the reviews, feedback i've read on here and the charts on their webpage, their subs will extend much lower than the reference at a better price. Should complement my set up well.

My final purchased set up is this:
Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC - 55
Bluray: Sony BDP-S790(consindering upgrading to the oppo 103, but it is just not a justifiable upgrade until i get a new tv)
TV: Sharp 42" 42SV49U(needs upgrading, will probably be my next purchase before first Rythmic audio F25)
Power Center : Panamax m7500 Pro
Center: CS8080HD
Front L/R : BP8080ST
Rear Surround L/R : BPVX
Sub : will use split LFE out to BP8080ST subs until f25 can be purchased.

Cant wait to get all the components in and get it set up! everythings delayed do to swapping the 7000's for 8080's will be another 3-5 weeks out(special order through magnolia) before i actually get them. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone as i assembled my system and will post pictures as components come in and my new HT gets set up.
post #29767 of 30929
I have a pair of BP7004's that have performed well for just over 5 years now. All of a sudden my right channel speaker when it hits some low bass has a rattle coming from the cabinet. If I push in on the sides of the cabinet it muffles the rattle but does not stop it completely. When I stick my ear up to the cabinet an press in I can hear the rattle still. Anyone experienced this or know what could cause the speaker to rattle?
Edited by reyalP - 8/30/13 at 6:17am
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I have a pair of BP2002TL's. The right speaker is starting to sound a little muddy. I have switched/changed wires and cables and it is definitely the speaker. Sounds like there is not a lot detail. So I am thinking about replacing the caps. I am also thinking about changing out the drivers while I have it disassembled. Does any on have any other suggestions? Also, what drivers would u recommend?????

Thanks for any advice u all may have
post #29769 of 30929
Found the pair of BP-2s in good condition that I've been looking for on evilbay this morning for only $100 plus shipping! Now I will have a complete timbre-matched Def Tech 7.1 system (except for the sub).

My home theater system will include the following "classic" components when everything is in place:

A Rotel RSP-1570 preamp-processor
A CLR-1000 center, driven by a Hafler 9130 in bridged mode (150 watts).
2 DR-7 bookshelf fronts, driven by a Hafler 9230 (135 watts x 2).
2 BP-2 side surrounds, driven by a Rotel RB-980bx (120 watts x 2).
2 BP-2 rear surrounds driven by anothe Rotel RB-980bx (120 watts x 2).
A Sunfire True Subwoofer (2700 watts?).
Various sources, including TV, Blu-Ray, DVD, CD w/ Dolby Audio & SACD, tuner, laserdisc, cassette, turntable...

My listening room is 14x16 ft. with a vaulted ceiling. I plan to set up the pre-pro to send all bass below 70Hz and the LFE channel to the sub. For critical music listening I plan to run the DR-7s alone in stereo mode w/o the sub for best imaging. For HT I will run everything and let 'er rip!

Any suggestions or other ideas for me to consider?

Regards, Jim
Edited by jamesk8752 - 8/31/13 at 1:11pm
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Just picked up a pair of SM45's for my mains. Very pleased with them in my 14x20 HT room. I have them paired with a HK receiver and 2 channel music sounds excellent and this is coming from a guy who used to own Ascend Sierra-1's (stock). They're less airy than the Sierras, but the midrange is just as solid IMO. They're less than half the price and after alittle break-in they really throw you into the recording just like the Ascends do.
Edited by gts007 - 9/6/13 at 8:45pm
post #29771 of 30929
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

Just picked up a pair of SM45's for my mains. Very pleased with them in my 14x20 HT room. I have them paired with a HK receiver and 2 channel music sounds excellent and this is coming from a guy who used to own Ascend Sierra-1's (stock). They're less airy than the Sierras, but the midrange is just as good. Soundstage is close too, though the SM45's won't give you that 'surround illusion' effect that the Sierra-1's do (but that's a trait of the Sierras that makes them an excellent value at $900). But they're less than half the price and after alittle break-in they really throw you into the recording just like the Ascends do.
Great to hear it GTS, I am glad to hear that you think highly of them. Personally I think the SM 45 is one of the best values for the money that Definitive has ever done. Enjoy them - best, Joe
post #29772 of 30929
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Originally Posted by Tommy457 View Post

I have a pair of BP2002TL's. The right speaker is starting to sound a little muddy. I have switched/changed wires and cables and it is definitely the speaker. Sounds like there is not a lot detail. So I am thinking about replacing the caps. I am also thinking about changing out the drivers while I have it disassembled. Does any on have any other suggestions? Also, what drivers would u recommend?????

Thanks for any advice u all may have
Hi Tommy, did you touch base with our tech support guys? Chet, Adam and TJ can be reached at info@definitivetech.com or 1-800-228-7148. This may be as simple as a driver swap-out. Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by reyalP View Post

I have a pair of BP7004's that have performed well for just over 5 years now. All of a sudden my right channel speaker when it hits some low bass has a rattle coming from the cabinet. If I push in on the sides of the cabinet it muffles the rattle but does not stop it completely. When I stick my ear up to the cabinet an press in I can hear the rattle still. Anyone experienced this or know what could cause the speaker to rattle?
Hello Rey, that doesn't sound like a driver that has gone bad, as you say that when you press on the cabinet sides, the rattle is reduced in volume. It's possible that something has come loose inside the cabinet. Try TJ, Adam and Chet it tech support and see if they can help you trouble shoot it, OK? info@definitivetech.com or 1-800-228-7148. Best, Joe
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Hi Joe, yes I was able to talk to both Adam and TJ. The right front tweeter is bad or blown. Going to order a new one next week. TJ was telling me that all the drivers that you sell for the BP2002TL's older built drivers, the same as the original. I would like to possibly upgrade all my drivers but replacing them with new (original) drivers doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. Are there any other options as far as upgrading/updating my BP's? New crossovers, capacitors, internal wiring, etc... I believe these speakers are about 15 years old and it would be nice to give them a "facelift" as I will never, ever sell these. They still look brand new. Thx Joe
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Hi Guys, I'm currently driving 8040ST's (L&R 8040ST, C - 8040HD, SR,SL (8040BP) using Pioneer VSX-920 (80w/Channel). I'm looking at upgrading to either a AVR or Pre/amp combo. Here are the options that i'm look at.
Denon 4311CI
OR
Marantz AV7005 + Emotiva XPA 5.

Which of these do you guys think is the better option.

I plan to add a sub later on and also upgrade to OPPO -103 from PS3.

Thanks.
post #29776 of 30929
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Originally Posted by svegesna View Post

Hi Guys, I'm currently driving 8040ST's (L&R 8040ST, C - 8040HD, SR,SL (8040BP) using Pioneer VSX-920 (80w/Channel). I'm looking at upgrading to either a AVR or Pre/amp combo. Here are the options that i'm look at.
Denon 4311CI
OR
Marantz AV7005 + Emotiva XPA 5.

Which of these do you guys think is the better option.

I plan to add a sub later on and also upgrade to OPPO -103 from PS3.

Thanks.

My vote is for the 4311Ci.

But what do I know. I own an SC-57 Elite from Pioneer. And love it.

Along with a bunch of older Deftech speakers that I've had for over 5 years now. (BP7002, CLR2500, CLR2002, BPX, Supercube I and Reference, Promonitor 1000, ProCenter 2000).

Love them too.

Electronics will continue to change, so I would just buy an av receiver that fits your budget and meets your needs for the next couple of years.

I'm not going to argue against separates, but today the AV receivers are as good in performance and definitely much better values as all-in-one units.

Especially when they're on clearance at your local B&M retailer.
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Originally Posted by Tommy457 View Post

Hi Joe, yes I was able to talk to both Adam and TJ. The right front tweeter is bad or blown. Going to order a new one next week. TJ was telling me that all the drivers that you sell for the BP2002TL's older built drivers, the same as the original. I would like to possibly upgrade all my drivers but replacing them with new (original) drivers doesn't seem like much of an upgrade. Are there any other options as far as upgrading/updating my BP's? New crossovers, capacitors, internal wiring, etc... I believe these speakers are about 15 years old and it would be nice to give them a "facelift" as I will never, ever sell these. They still look brand new. Thx Joe
Hi Tommy, you do have a great pair of speakers! I don't know about replacing all the parts inside though. Since that speaker has been discontinued for some time, any crossovers etc that we would have also would come from older vintages. So ordering new guts and replacing everything may not be much of a step up. Keep on enjoying them smile.gif Best, Joe
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Great to hear it GTS, I am glad to hear that you think highly of them. Personally I think the SM 45 is one of the best values for the money that Definitive has ever done. Enjoy them - best, Joe

Yeah, I've never heard the 55 and 65 but more than one person is saying the 45's are sweeter and more neutral than both of them. I stuck some half-plugs into the rear ports of my 45's since I can't have them more than 2 feet from the wall behind them. I did experiment with positioning and they keep getting better. I don't know if it's the placement, the half-plugs, the break-in, or my imagination but they're opening up and revealing a alittle bit more now. They do sound alittle thin with orchestral music but you're right, the price to performance ratio is amazing on these babies.
Edited by gts007 - 9/9/13 at 10:59am
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Hi, all.

I'm building my HT one step at a time. I have def-tech 3000's for LRC for the front. So, I'm looking to hear idea about what surround speakers to get for a 5.1 setup. I want to spend $1000 max on the surrounds, the cheaper the better. Though I prefer floorstanding types, a really good bookselves would be ok. And they don't have to be from Def-Tech.

So, which speakers would give me the best bang for my money???

Thanks
post #29780 of 30929
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Originally Posted by dvd2blu View Post

Hi, all.

I'm building my HT one step at a time. I have def-tech 3000's for LRC for the front. So, I'm looking to hear idea about what surround speakers to get for a 5.1 setup. I want to spend $1000 max on the surrounds, the cheaper the better. Though I prefer floorstanding types, a really good bookselves would be ok. And they don't have to be from Def-Tech.

So, which speakers would give me the best bang for my money???

Thanks

Here is a $1000 speaker shootout -- dunno if that will help.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/two-channel-audio/69421-official-1-000-speaker-evaluation-home-audition-event-results.html#post635529

MikeSp
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Here is a $1000 speaker shootout -- dunno if that will help.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/two-channel-audio/69421-official-1-000-speaker-evaluation-home-audition-event-results.html#post635529

MikeSp

Thanks for the suggestion.

I read that thread over the last weekend since it just started. I can't audition most of those speakers from the local dealers, except maybe the Klipsch and the Focal. I'll check them out to see if they are a close match to the 3000's.

Any other candidates?????
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Originally Posted by dvd2blu View Post

Thanks for the suggestion.

I read that thread over the last weekend since it just started. I can't audition most of those speakers from the local dealers, except maybe the Klipsch and the Focal. I'll check them out to see if they are a close match to the 3000's.

Any other candidates?????

Sandy Gross who started Polk and Definitive Technology has a new company called GoldenEar and there are some rave reviews about those speakers and some are in your price category!!! Personally, were I setting up a new HT, I would definitely look strongly at (rather listen strongly to) GoldenEar speakers -- have heard them although did not audition them and was impressed with what I heard but did not bring with me any audition material and sit down and spend a few hours with them.

Good luck,

MikeSp
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Originally Posted by MikeSp View Post

Sandy Gross who started Polk and Definitive Technology has a new company called GoldenEar and there are some rave reviews about those speakers and some are in your price category!!! Personally, were I setting up a new HT, I would definitely look strongly at (rather listen strongly to) GoldenEar speakers -- have heard them although did not audition them and was impressed with what I heard but did not bring with me any audition material and sit down and spend a few hours with them.

Good luck,

MikeSp

The ironic thing is if I were to start from zero, it would have been a lot easier. I would just get the whole package of what I like to fit my budge plan. I bought the 3000's about ten years ago, thinking of adding the surrounds soon after. Well, that 'soon after' didn't happen until now, ten years later, and my budget plan has changed.

Anyways, I listened to the Aaon2 and the Triton 7 last Friday. I preferred the sound of the Triton, but they are 50% more than I want to spend.

Thank you for your suggestion.
post #29784 of 30929
Just took a look at the GoldenEar line and the designs look VERY familiar!!! Hmm.rolleyes.gif
post #29785 of 30929
Hi guys
can I run audyssey xt32 setup if I'm driving LFC with external amps connected with preouts from denon 4311ci and surrounds with the 4311ci amps ?
post #29786 of 30929
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Originally Posted by svegesna View Post

Hi guys
can I run audyssey xt32 setup if I'm driving LFC with external amps connected with preouts from denon 4311ci and surrounds with the 4311ci amps ?

Yes, that won't cause any problems. I run pro amps for my subs, run L/C/R preouts for the amps in my towers along with L/C/R speaker wire, and speaker wire to my surrounds without issue.
post #29787 of 30929
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

Yeah, I've never heard the 55 and 65 but more than one person is saying the 45's are sweeter and more neutral than both of them. I stuck some half-plugs into the rear ports of my 45's since I can't have them more than 2 feet from the wall behind them. I did experiment with positioning and they keep getting better. I don't know if it's the placement, the half-plugs, the break-in, or my imagination but they're opening up and revealing a alittle bit more now. They do sound alittle thin with orchestral music but you're right, the price to performance ratio is amazing on these babies.
I am glad they are breaking in nicely GTS. I would say that the 55's and 65's are, in my view, much better speakers, but they are also more money. The 45's are amazing for such low dough. Enjoy! Best, Joe
post #29788 of 30929
Hello fellow DefTech Owners:) I just recently purchased 8060 towers, 8060 center, and surround 8040s. Configured towers and center to large and sounds great to me but wanted to check with you fine folks to see if you have any tips/pointers for a newbie so i can get the best sound out of these speakers. Thanks.
post #29789 of 30929
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Originally Posted by ks3000 View Post

Hello fellow DefTech Owners:) I just recently purchased 8060 towers, 8060 center, and surround 8040s. Configured towers and center to large and sounds great to me but wanted to check with you fine folks to see if you have any tips/pointers for a newbie so i can get the best sound out of these speakers. Thanks.

What are you running for the rest of your system? receiver? dedicated subwoofers?
post #29790 of 30929
No dedicated sub. Got a Denon AVR-1613 right now but prob will upgrade.
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