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post #3091 of 29423
Adz,

I know you are a def-tech dealer. I'd like your ideas on something i'm considering. I have 2 supercube references and a trinity connected to the LFE input and controlled by velo's sms-1. I was thinking of running the references as a stereo pair. My main speakers are 7001sc towers. I would then use the trinity as the only LFE sub. I currently have the references stacked in the left front corner and the trinity in the right front, so this would require relocating them next to each 7001 and leave the trinity as is.

Any thoughts on this setup?
post #3092 of 29423
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Originally Posted by lefthandluke View Post

Adz,

I know you are a def-tech dealer. I'd like your ideas on something i'm considering. I have 2 supercube references and a trinity connected to the LFE input and controlled by velo's sms-1. I was thinking of running the references as a stereo pair. My main speakers are 7001sc towers. I would then use the trinity as the only LFE sub. I currently have the references stacked in the left front corner and the trinity in the right front, so this would require relocating them next to each 7001 and leave the trinity as is.

Any thoughts on this setup?

Sure, and there are also lots of very knowledgeable Def Tech-ers who post on this thread and I'm sure they will weigh in as well.

What is your receiver / pre pro, and do you have it wired into just one LFE output ? What are the dimensions of your room?
post #3093 of 29423
Thanks Adz and you're right about drawing on the experience of others. Any thoughts and input is appreciated.

I'm using a Denon 3806 as a pre/pro with Rotel amps. My room is 23 x 14 x 8 with two openings. It is not a sealed room. I currently have the sms-1 connected to the sub out on the denon and the three subs into the sms-1.
post #3094 of 29423
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Originally Posted by lefthandluke View Post

Thanks Adz and you're right about drawing on the experience of others. Any thoughts and input is appreciated.

I'm using a Denon 3806 as a pre/pro with Rotel amps. My room is 23 x 14 x 8 with two openings. It is not a sealed room. I currently have the sms-1 connected to the sub out on the denon and the three subs into the sms-1.

is there any special reason you want to take your 2 reference subs off the LFE channel and use them as stereo mains together with your 7001's ?
post #3095 of 29423
Hey all!

I'm looking at purchasing a Mythos setup in the next week. Having just researched a TV and seating, I noticed that there is always that "one guy" (or a few, in some cases) that a lot of people on AVS recommend for dealing with for a purchase (Roman at Invision seems popular for Pioneer TV's, Roman and Ultimate Home Entertainment seems popular for Berklines). So far I've had great luck with AVS-recommended dealers and I'm not about to go purchase my speakers at MSRP from Magnolia, so can anyone point me in the right for DT gear?

Thanks in advance - I'm terribly green at all of this =)
post #3096 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

Hey all!

I'm looking at purchasing a Mythos setup in the next week. Having just researched a TV and seating, I noticed that there is always that "one guy" (or a few, in some cases) that a lot of people on AVS recommend for dealing with for a purchase (Roman at Invision seems popular for Pioneer TV's, Roman and Ultimate Home Entertainment seems popular for Berklines). So far I've had great luck with AVS-recommended dealers and I'm not about to go purchase my speakers at MSRP from Magnolia, so can anyone point me in the right for DT gear?

Thanks in advance - I'm terribly green at all of this =)

where do you live?
post #3097 of 29423
Central California. This is what I'm looking for:

Fronts: Mythos One (2)
Center: Mythos Three (1)
Rear: Mythos GemXL (2)
Sub: SuperCube II (1)
post #3098 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

Central California. This is what I'm looking for:

Fronts: Mythos One (2)
Center: Mythos Three (1)
Rear: Mythos GemXL (2)
Sub: SuperCube II (1)

I have the same fronts and center.

Unless your room is small, I would get a more powerful sub to keep up with the Mythos Ones. For me, the SCII just doesn't cut it but I have a big room and have been corrupted by subsonic bass.

If you have to stick with DefTech and a small footprint, I'd go with at least a SuperCube I.

Gordon
post #3099 of 29423
ok so im considering picking up a new def. tech. setup and useing my current system in my living room. the setup im considering is as follows,

7001sc towers

c/l/r3000

(4) bpvx surrounds

anyone have any suggestions on what online shops i should look at for them? are there dealers here who would p.m. me a best price quote on that whole setup? im looking to buy within the next month (most likely sooner). the local authorized dealers in my area wont come down on the price because there special order and im about to deal with some online shops i have found (with pretty good prices) but i figured i would ask for advice here and see what comes up.

thank you in advance.
post #3100 of 29423
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Originally Posted by rweeb View Post

Big pounds & BTU's to go with the big sound too! I have never heard the Cinovas I've heard they are up there in top performance, especially HT. I have been told by many and have observed how the Def's shine if you feed them well. Been looking into the ICE amps or Class D, which appear to be gaining acceptance for not only their size and low heat but their SQ as well. I have yet to hear them but all the reviews (I know, I know) are very favorable. Probably the only one I will be able to audition is the Rotel but not with Def Techs. The other alternative is the in home audition mentioned by ADZ offered by Bel Canto & I guess Nuforce. I appreciate the feedback and was wondering if there were any issues with a Class D amp driving the built in Class D of the towers or what the reliability is. A good old Class AB amp is very reliable and if it does go after 10 or 20 years you still have a good boat anchor. Can anyone comment on the differences in sound between a Class AB amp and a Class D amp particularly with the Def Tech's bipolars.

If you like the ICE amps check out www.d-sonic.net. I have been hearing a lot of great things about there 2500-7 high powered amp. I have been contemplating ordering one to check them out. They have a nice in home audition period if you don't care for the sound.
post #3101 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

Central California. This is what I'm looking for:

Fronts: Mythos One (2)
Center: Mythos Three (1)
Rear: Mythos GemXL (2)
Sub: SuperCube II (1)

here are the CA dealers:

http://www.definitivetech.com/dealers/dealers.html#ca

shop around, you should be able to save 20-25% per thousand spent if you shop around

i'm not sure about magnolia at best buy, they quoted me full retail on a trinity which is a $3000 sub which i know for a fact they are only paying $1500 for
post #3102 of 29423
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

here are the CA dealers:

http://www.definitivetech.com/dealers/dealers.html#ca

shop around, you should be able to save 20-25% per thousand spent if you shop around

i'm not sure about magnolia at best buy, they quoted me full retail on a trinity which is a $3000 sub which i know for a fact they are only paying $1500 for

I've decided to avoid Magnolia altogether. I wrongly assumed that the employees were a little better trained than the general Best Buy employee, just in a shirt and tie. Boy, was I wrong. I went in Saturday to see if they had any separate amps, and asked the guy if they had any 5- or 7-channel amps. He "informed" me that no one makes amps with that many channels, the only amps you can get are 1 or 2-channel amps. He also wasn't sure what a 12volt trigger was for.
post #3103 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Gordon1080p View Post

I have the same fronts and center.

Unless your room is small, I would get a more powerful sub to keep up with the Mythos Ones. For me, the SCII just doesn't cut it but I have a big room and have been corrupted by subsonic bass.

If you have to stick with DefTech and a small footprint, I'd go with at least a SuperCube I.

Gordon

Thanks for the feedback - I'll consider the SCI! My room is about 22'10" wide by 17' deep and 8' high, do you think the setup is sufficient? Also, are the Gems's going to match up with the fronts and center well? Like I said, I'm a total novice with this stuff and seriously appreciate the help =)
post #3104 of 29423
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

here are the CA dealers:

http://www.definitivetech.com/dealers/dealers.html#ca

shop around, you should be able to save 20-25% per thousand spent if you shop around

i'm not sure about magnolia at best buy, they quoted me full retail on a trinity which is a $3000 sub which i know for a fact they are only paying $1500 for

Well that was easy enough =) Thanks otk!
post #3105 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

Central California. This is what I'm looking for:

Fronts: Mythos One (2)
Center: Mythos Three (1)
Rear: Mythos GemXL (2)
Sub: SuperCube II (1)


You might want to check out the SVS SB12 plus, just about same size and price but better and it reviewed very well.
post #3106 of 29423
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Originally Posted by schroedk View Post

I've decided to avoid Magnolia altogether. I wrongly assumed that the employees were a little better trained than the general Best Buy employee, just in a shirt and tie. Boy, was I wrong. I went in Saturday to see if they had any separate amps, and asked the guy if they had any 5- or 7-channel amps. He "informed" me that no one makes amps with that many channels, the only amps you can get are 1 or 2-channel amps. He also wasn't sure what a 12volt trigger was for.

back in the 90s, i was at the wiz and asked the sales boy if he had any surround receivers with built in DTS

he told me that DTS was the same thing as dolby digital but that some companies just call it DTS

post #3107 of 29423
It's really sad. If my wife (a physician) or myself (a physical therapist) go around spreading misinformation as "fact", we can rightly be sued. Why is it so hard for retail workers who work in electronics, if they don't know an answer for certain, to admit it and try to find out the correct answer? That's what most of us have to do in our professions.

I have informed my retired parents that when they're finally ready to get rid of their 30 year old console TV and get a new one, to do it when I'm home so I can help/do it for them. I shudder to guess what kind of "information" they would get if they went by themselves.
post #3108 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

Central California. This is what I'm looking for:

Fronts: Mythos One (2)
Center: Mythos Three (1)
Rear: Mythos GemXL (2)
Sub: SuperCube II (1)

Are you located more inland or more towards the coast?
post #3109 of 29423
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Originally Posted by HisHeirness23 View Post

Are you located more inland or more towards the coast?

I'm inland, but decided to order everything but the sub from Boot's Camera in Fresno. I went in and asked for 25% off of MSRP and they did it, so I'm pleased. I probably could have saved another 100 or so by really shopping around, but I'm anxious =)

Thanks again everyone for the advice. After reading about the SVS I went ahead and ordered that too, rather than the SuperCube II.
post #3110 of 29423
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Originally Posted by jseely View Post

I'm inland, but decided to order everything but the sub from Boot's Camera in Fresno. I went in and asked for 25% off of MSRP and they did it, so I'm pleased. I probably could have saved another 100 or so by really shopping around, but I'm anxious =)

Thanks again everyone for the advice. After reading about the SVS I went ahead and ordered that too, rather than the SuperCube II.

congrats !!!!!!

keep us updated

and if that sub isn't enough for your room, you can always add more
post #3111 of 29423
OK all of you Mythos ST owners, are any of you experiencing buyer's remorse or having second thoughts about your purchase of the STs? Is there an issue with a small audible listening sweet spot with the STs? After doing some listening at BB I am seriously considering a Definitive Technology system and the STs are definitely in for serious consideration. One of my problems is getting a full surround sound setup with the STs for the FL and FR to audition before buying. What are some of the recommended setups (any combinations not just STs) that I should try to audition based on experiences you may have had before I pull the trigger on something.

Thanks,
Jailbreak
post #3112 of 29423
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Originally Posted by lefthandluke View Post

Thanks Adz and you're right about drawing on the experience of others. Any thoughts and input is appreciated.

I'm using a Denon 3806 as a pre/pro with Rotel amps. My room is 23 x 14 x 8 with two openings. It is not a sealed room. I currently have the sms-1 connected to the sub out on the denon and the three subs into the sms-1.


You have a very long room but its under 3000 cubic feet. My gut tells me that you should run the 7001SC front soundstage as large (of course) without any LFE. Place the Trinity in the back corner of the room and stack the pair of SC Ref subs in the other corner - - having all three handling just the LFE and see how that sounds after EQ'ing through the SMS-1.
post #3113 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Jailbreak View Post

OK all of you Mythos ST owners, are any of you experiencing buyer's remorse or having second thoughts about your purchase of the STs? Is there an issue with a small audible listening sweet spot with the STs? After doing some listening at BB I am seriously considering a Definitive Technology system and the STs are definitely in for serious consideration. One of my problems is getting a full surround sound setup with the STs for the FL and FR to audition before buying. What are some of the recommended setups (any combinations not just STs) that I should try to audition based on experiences you may have had before I pull the trigger on something.

Thanks,
Jailbreak

I'm guessing there's been no buyer's remorse and in fact a number of our fellow AVS'ers are feeling quite lucky to own the STs. For full surround, I would pair the Mythos STs with the Gem XLs (up to 4 in a 7.1 system) and wait to buy the center until after CEDIA to see if Def Tech unveils a new center channel built specifically for the STs (which we have heard rumors about), unless you have a set-up where you can use another Mythos ST as the center channel; for example, a high mounted plasma or an AT screen.

Btw, Jailbreak, I sent you a PM.
post #3114 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

I'm guessing there's been no buyer's remorse and in fact a number of our fellow AVS'ers are feeling quite lucky to own the STs. For full surround, I would pair the Mythos STs with the Gem XLs (up to 4 in a 7.1 system) and wait to buy the center until after CEDIA to see if Def Tech unveils a new center channel built specifically for the STs (which we have heard rumors about), unless you have a set-up where you can use another Mythos ST as the center channel; for example, a high mounted plasma or an AT screen.

Btw, Jailbreak, I sent you a PM.

Would there by any chance happen to be matching surrounds for the Mythos ST in the works or will the Gem XL suffice?
post #3115 of 29423
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Originally Posted by HisHeirness23 View Post

Would there by any chance happen to be matching surrounds for the Mythos ST in the works or will the Gem XL suffice?

i would go with ST's for the rear or even mythos one's

you might even want to email chet at def tech and ask him if the mythos eight can be run as a vertical loudspeaker (you could also ask him if there will be any matching surrounds coming out for the ST)

every tweeter and mid driver should be identical at every channel for the ultimate in all around timbre matching. the ST's use 5 1/4" mids, the gem xl's use a 4.5" mid

i bet mythos ST's front and rear would sound phenomenal
post #3116 of 29423
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Originally Posted by Adz523 View Post

You have a very long room but its under 3000 cubic feet. My gut tells me that you should run the 7001SC front soundstage as large (of course) without any LFE. Place the Trinity in the back corner of the room and stack the pair of SC Ref subs in the other corner - - having all three handling just the LFE and see how that sounds after EQ'ing through the SMS-1.

that's what i was going to suggest also

that's why i asked him why he wanted to take the references off the LFE channel and use them with the 7001s

i wanted to see what he wanted to do first before i made any recommendations

i thought maybe he thought all 3 subs on the LFE was over-kill for his room and wanted to maybe use the references with the 7001's just for music, i'm not really sure what his motives were

another tip for trinity and reference users is play around with placement. from what i've heard from other users, moving the trinity or the reference as much as an inch or 2 can have a big impact on in-room frequency response
post #3117 of 29423
otk,

Basically you're right on. What started me thinking about this was the def-tech manual suggests running stereo subs AND an LFE into the same subs. I just thought maybe somebody had experience running a reference sub as a stereo sub along with a 7001sc as i've never heard of that being done. But I think the urge has subsided.

Adz,

Thanks for your suggestion. I actually have the references stacked in the left front corner and the trinity in the right front corner. This combo is very deep and tight with a "punch in the chest" ability that must be felt to appreciate. I am leaving them setup "as is" as my equipment rack is in one rear corner and the other rear corner is an open doorway.
post #3118 of 29423
Any comments on the Mythos ST? They seem to have gotten great reviews. If going for this system do you require an addition sub or do the Mythos fronts produce enough bass?
post #3119 of 29423
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Originally Posted by davewolfs View Post

Any comments on the Mythos ST? They seem to have gotten great reviews. If going for this system do you require an addition sub or do the Mythos fronts produce enough bass?

The STs have enough bass for music listening but if you have a medium to large room, a separate sub will probably be preferable for movies.
Have any of you ST owners received their new upgraded grills?
I got mine direct from DefTech and they look exactly the same as the ones they are suppose to replace
Haven't tried them yet to see if, somehow, these new grills really are different and get rid of the grill vibrations.

dc
post #3120 of 29423
Restoring my Def Tech system (lost a pair of BP2001 in Katrina), I ordered a pair of BP7000SC today. They said delivery in 2-3 weeks......we'll see? I'll add them to my older CLR2000 center and BPVX side surrounds. Everything matched (61/2" mids and 1" tweeters). Should be good.
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