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post #3511 of 29358
9/17/07 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

I have them both set at the same level. The Omni has a frequency dial which I might have to turn up a bit....or unplug the LFE on the 7006's and direct all the bass to the sub.

Any suggestion on where the speaker crossover should be set at on my avr?

what are your other speakers?
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post #3512 of 29358
9/17/07 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

what are your other speakers?

The rears are pm800's. Center is pc1000.
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post #3513 of 29358
9/17/07 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

The rears are pm800's. Center is pc1000.

ok, set your mains as large with no LFE

crossover the other speakers at 80hz
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post #3514 of 29358
9/17/07 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

ok, set your mains as large with no LFE

crossover the other speakers at 80hz

I will try this tonight. Appreciate the help!
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post #3515 of 29358
9/17/07 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Aaronmi View Post

Hi,
I received an e-mail back from Def Tech and they said the BP7002 will be the current model for another 12-18 months. I guess Best Buy just isn't ordering any more.

hmmmm, i smell new BP's for 2009 maybe ?






i'm trying to dream up what they could possibly do

i have an idea

in stead of having supercubes built into column type towers

take 2 trinity subwoofers, then take the top part of the bp-7000 and saw it off at the tweeter mid-range section and place it on top of the trinitys

a new type of tower, column like the old towers for the mid/highs and a full trinity on the bottom but all one cabinet and all the drivers perfectly blended from tweeter to sub

now that i think of it, mirage used to have bi-polars set up like that, skinny on the top for the mids and highs and fat on the bottom for the subwoofers

now that would be sick, the new BP-9000 trinity editions, i like the sound of it true towers that go down to 16hz flat

and of course the BP-9001 reference editions and so on

and don't forget the CLR-9000 with a perfectly blended supercube that comes with a special cable to link the center with the supercube

and we definitely need a BPVX-9000 surround tower with built in supercubes
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post #3516 of 29358
9/17/07 at 3:48pm
Thanks, yeah that is the platform for my buttkickers. Was one of my best purchases, as it never fails to wow the crowd.

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hey bakpakva, i was just checking out the pics at your blog

awesome theater

is that a little platform you built for the back row of chairs?
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post #3517 of 29358
9/17/07 at 4:58pm
I like your thinking OTK!!! Hmmm, we can only dream for now. I went ahead and ordered the BP7002 set. It is supposed to be here Saturday. I can't wait to play with these!
-Aaron
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post #3518 of 29358
9/17/07 at 6:01pm
Bought some Klipsch Quintet SL but after reading around last night returned them and got the following from Definitive Technology

2 x ProMonitor 1000 $179.99 each
2 x ProMonitor 800 $112.49 each
1 x ProCenter 2000 $314.98
1 x ProSub 1000 $449.98

Got it at Magnolia at Best Buy so 0% interest for 3 years. They had to order the center - won't be in until October 24 but I think I'll be pleased.
The sales guy gave me 10% off on everything without me even asking and was very helpful, not high pressure at all, gave me no trouble with the return.
I'm looking forward to getting everything setup!!

Any stand recommendations?
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post #3519 of 29358
9/17/07 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ender17 View Post

Bought some Klipsch Quintet SL but after reading around last night returned them and got the following from Definitive Technology

2 x ProMonitor 1000 $179.99 each
2 x ProMonitor 800 $112.49 each
1 x ProCenter 2000 $314.98
1 x ProSub 1000 $449.98

Got it at Magnolia at Best Buy so 0% interest for 3 years. They had to order the center - won't be in until October 24 but I think I'll be pleased.
The sales guy gave me 10% off on everything without me even asking and was very helpful, not high pressure at all, gave me no trouble with the return.
I'm looking forward to getting everything setup!!

Any stand recommendations?

congrats on the new system

you might want to check with this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=863945
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post #3520 of 29358
9/17/07 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

hmmmm, i smell new BP's for 2009 maybe ?






i'm trying to dream up what they could possibly do

i have an idea

in stead of having supercubes built into column type towers

take 2 trinity subwoofers, then take the top part of the bp-7000 and saw it off at the tweeter mid-range section and place it on top of the trinitys

a new type of tower, column like the old towers for the mid/highs and a full trinity on the bottom but all one cabinet and all the drivers perfectly blended from tweeter to sub

now that i think of it, mirage used to have bi-polars set up like that, skinny on the top for the mids and highs and fat on the bottom for the subwoofers

now that would be sick, the new BP-9000 trinity editions, i like the sound of it true towers that go down to 16hz flat

and of course the BP-9001 reference editions and so on

and don't forget the CLR-9000 with a perfectly blended supercube that comes with a special cable to link the center with the supercube

and we definitely need a BPVX-9000 surround tower with built in supercubes



I wish they are something like these

BP9000 Four 6.5in ST drivers, 1800w RMS 16in with dual PR, 120-1200w
BP9001 Four 6.5in ST drivers, 1500w RMS 14in with dual PR, 75-750w
BP9002 four 5.25in ST drivers, 500w RMS 12in (more xmax) 50-500w
BP9004 two 5.25in ST drivers 400w RMS 10in (more xmax) 25-325w
BP9006 two 4.5in ST drivers 300w RMS 8in (more xmax), 25-275w

CLR9000 Quad 6.5in ST drivers, 500w RMS 12in with PR, 120-1200w
CLR9001 Quad 6.5in ST drivers, 400w RMS 10in with PR, 75-750w
CLR4000 Dual 6.5in ST drivers, 400w RMS 10in with PR, 50-500w
CLR2600 Dual 5.25in ST drivers, 300w RMS 8in with PR, 25-325w
CLR2400 Dual 4.5in ST drivers, 300w RMS 8in with PR 25-275w

BPS9000 Four 6.5in ST drivers, 75-750w
BPS9002 Four 5.25in ST drivers, 50-500w
BPS9004 Dual 5.25in ST drivers, 25-325w
BPS9006 Dual 4.5in ST drivers, 25-275w

SC9000 (Trinity equivalent)
SC9001, 1800w RMS 16in with dual PR
SC9002, 1500w RMS 14in with dual PR
SC9004, 950w RMS 12in with dual PR
SC9006, 650w RMS 10in with dual PR

If they would offer models with this naming structure it would be easier for customers to go, "Oh hey I am getting this, and these other speakers are made to match mine for maximum timbre and equalization..."

This would be amazing IMO

~Bobby
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post #3521 of 29358
9/17/07 at 10:54pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

when you have full range speakers at each channel, you start to notice effects in movies that are totally lost with bass redirection not to mention the loss of perfect timbre matching all the way around the room which by itself is an incredible thing

Totally agree with you. Unfortunately my venue right now is an apartment and that's prolly what interested me in the Mythos line originally. However I have really come to like these speakers; I really love their esthetics, but think they can put out a decent sound (in the right set-up) as well.

Although my venue is likely to change to a much larger one in the coming year, I think I'll hold on to this setup. As you say, you can always add subs to the surrounds (which is exactly what I'll be doing with the rear Ones - they'll be run with a DefTech ProSub; not the best, but it'll do for the time being). And upgrading the subs attached to the surrounds is always an option. Even if I get a wild hair and someday do a dedicated projector-based home theater (not really my gig), I could always keep my current Mythos setup to serve in a front/family/living-type room. It's always fun to change things up a bit.

- da Choge
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post #3522 of 29358
9/17/07 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Ok guys here we go, my dealer just call me that the Mythos 10 are in stock,and are going to ship for those who make that jump on them

DJoel, that's great news. Guess I'll have to see if our Fort Worth DT dealer is interested in making me a great deal on the STs with the new Ten.

Like others have expressed, I'm hoping the Ten will make a decent pairing with the STs; guess it's really the only viable choice right now (and far better than my current Three). Wish they made it a little bigger with a pair of in-case powered subs to help drive those passive racetrack radiators. Ah well, as you said, guess they have to save something for the "Twelve".

-da Choge

PS: Picked up the Onkyo 905 from Frys earlier tonight (yeah - at full MSRP - tried every trick in the book, but they weren't biting) Although hard to find as well, I hear the Integras are a little more available and can even be had at some discount presently; would've gone that route, but I had to have silver. I am a slave to fashion -- just kidding, if I were, I wouldn't be going with a dorky 90's silver theme !!! - john
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post #3523 of 29358
9/18/07 at 7:37am
Da choge

I glad you're getting a set of ST's, I feel there just isn't enough of us out there.
I am hoping I can get my Mythos 10 in a few weeks from now but no latter than Oct by the hopefully my replacement Onkyo 885 should be in my A/V rack.

Hmm the M10 is 6 inches bigger, than the M8! I am betting it should add sufficient bass to a center that so thin circumference wise....


Ouch! full price on the 905! Now you need to get that discount on your St's & M10 to keep some kind of balance... You know! Sorry to hear that, did you put the face like, ah I really came here to buy this 905 ! and mention some obscured B&M store and pretended to talk out?

I must be Mr Dorky 99% of my system is super 90's silver... I wish my 885 was silver to match the rest of my amps..

Good luck on those speakers...or Better yet when you ready to buy P 'em me.


Daniel





Sorry about the mess I was setting up the Onkyo 885.





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post #3524 of 29358
9/18/07 at 9:27am
Just ordered a Mythos Ten for my Mythos ST's.

I also have a Mythos eight that I picked at BB Magnolia(open box - great deal), and I was thinking of getting another eight and using them as surrounds.

Are the eights good to use for surrounds?
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post #3525 of 29358
9/18/07 at 11:38am
Upgrading my center. Deciding between the 2002 and the 2300. Could anyone comment to the difference in sound quality. Does the powered woofer make enough difference to justify the price?
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post #3526 of 29358
9/18/07 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Upgrading my center. Deciding between the 2002 and the 2300. Could anyone comment to the difference in sound quality. Does the powered woofer make enough difference to justify the price?

what are your mains speakers?
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post #3527 of 29358
9/18/07 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Just ordered a Mythos Ten for my Mythos ST's.

I also have a Mythos eight that I picked at BB Magnolia(open box - great deal), and I was thinking of getting another eight and using them as surrounds.

Are the eights good to use for surrounds?



Sweet can wait to hear what you think about it, hey what CC did you have before?


DJoel
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post #3528 of 29358
9/18/07 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Upgrading my center. Deciding between the 2002 and the 2300. Could anyone comment to the difference in sound quality. Does the powered woofer make enough difference to justify the price?

by the way, just to give a generic answer (i'm not sure what your mains are) but first of all, you want to make sure that the tweeters and mids match identical across the front 3 channels (actually, all 5 or 7 channels matched is ideal)

so if you're using def tech mains with 5 1/4" mids, than you want a center speaker with the same

next on the powered CLR vs. non powered. your sound is going to improve for few reasons:

#1 you're taking the bass duties out of the mid-range drivers freeing them up to focus on the mid frequencies

#2 your mid-range drivers are now in a sealed chamber (the subwoofer has it's own ported chamber where as in the non powered CLR, the "mid/bass" drivers are both sharing the same ported chamber)

and #3 obviously, you're increasing the dynamic range of the center channel simply because you're using a loudspeaker with a lower frequency response thanks to the subwoofer

these 3 elements combined = big difference in overall sound quality between the powered and non powered CLR speakers
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post #3529 of 29358
9/18/07 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

by the way, just to give a generic answer (i'm not sure what your mains are) but first of all, you want to make sure that the tweeters and mids match identical across the front 3 channels (actually, all 5 or 7 channels matched is ideal)

so if you're using def tech mains with 5 1/4" mids, than you want a center speaker with the same

next on the powered CLR vs. non powered. your sound is going to improve for few reasons:

#1 you're taking the bass duties out of the mid-range drivers freeing them up to focus on the mid frequencies

#2 your mid-range drivers are now in a sealed chamber (the subwoofer has it's own ported chamber where as in the non powered CLR, the "mid/bass" drivers are both sharing the same ported chamber)

and #3 obviously, you're increasing the dynamic range of the center channel simply because you're using a loudspeaker with a lower frequency response thanks to the subwoofer

these 3 elements combined = big difference in overall sound quality between the powered and non powered CLR speakers

Thank you for the breakdown! My mains are 7006's. As I have it setup now they seems to overpower the pc1000. Only concern with the 2300 will be spacing under the display.
Thanks again for the info. I'll be auditioning both this weekend.
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post #3530 of 29358
9/18/07 at 2:10pm
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Originally posted by Pharcyde23:
Thank you for the breakdown! My mains are 7006's. As I have it setup now they seems to overpower the pc1000. Only concern with the 2300 will be spacing under the display.
Thanks again for the info. I'll be auditioning both this weekend.

If you think you might have a problem with the 2300 you will probably have a problem with the 2002. I have the 2006s with the 2300 and it's fine. I only have about 1.5" spacing above though and I think that muffles the sub on top a little. I have heard the PC1000 though and can see how it would be overpowered by the 2006s.
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post #3531 of 29358
9/18/07 at 2:13pm
I will eventually be repalcing my 2x's (side surround) with bpvx or possibly bpvxp. I now have; 7001, c/l/r 3000, bpvx (rear surround.) is there a noticible difference between the vx and vxp for side surround use?
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post #3532 of 29358
9/18/07 at 2:29pm
Anyone have a dealer they can recommend in SoCAL or will ship to SoCAL that will discount on speakers. Went to Best Buy yesterday and talked to the Magnolia guy about buying a 5.1 setup and I asked if they would discount and he says they are a retail store so they sell at retail.

Thanks
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post #3533 of 29358
9/18/07 at 2:46pm
Whats gauge wire is best for the bp7006's. Would 10 awg be overkill?
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post #3534 of 29358
9/18/07 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I will eventually be repalcing my 2x's (side surround) with bpvx or possibly bpvxp. I now have; 7001, c/l/r 3000, bpvx (rear surround.) is there a noticible difference between the vx and vxp for side surround use?

personally, i would never get the powered version

what you lose in mid-range doesn't make up for what you gain with the so-called "subwoofer" in the powered version

timbre wise, the non powered version would be a better match to the 7001s

4 BPVXs across the rear would be incredible

adding 2 or even 4 subwoofers to them would be
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post #3535 of 29358
9/18/07 at 4:07pm
OTK,
You stated "you want to make sure that the tweeters and mids match identical across the front 3 channels"

I had posted a question yesterday, and after reading what you wrote earlier I am wondering if I should change my setup. I really like the C\\L\\R 2300 for a center, but should I then look at getting the 7006 and the BP1 for surround? So that they all match up?
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post #3536 of 29358
9/18/07 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Pharcyde23 View Post

Whats gauge wire is best for the bp7006's. Would 10 awg be overkill?

Good informaton here:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
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post #3537 of 29358
9/18/07 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by six172 View Post

First time posting on here. I wanted to get some opinions on equipment. I am looking to upgrade all of my home theater speakers. I don't listen to much as far as music mostly just movies and tv. I have 12 feet across the front in which to put all three front speakers with the center directly above the 50" DLP tv I have. My couch is 10 feet from the TV so I need something that is going to deliver good sound for movies. This is my thinking for a future setup. Please let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.

I was looking at getting the C\\L\\R 2300 for a center channel and then a pair of Mythos 4 speakers for left and right. In the rear I was going to get the Mythos Gem speakers. All of this will be mated to a Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH. I currently have a Definitive Supercube I so that will be staying as well.

i don't really know much about the mythos but taking a quick look at the website, i would say the mythos 3 center would be the best match for the mythos 4 floor standers and the gem XL's look like the best match for the surrounds

i'm not really sure how well mythos timbre match with CLR centers. you could email def tech and ask them
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post #3538 of 29358
9/18/07 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by six172 View Post

OTK,
You stated "you want to make sure that the tweeters and mids match identical across the front 3 channels"

I had posted a question yesterday, and after reading what you wrote earlier I am wondering if I should change my setup. I really like the C\\L\\R 2300 for a center, but should I then look at getting the 7006 and the BP1 for surround? So that they all match up?

since your priority is tv and movies, i would bet the 7006's would be better for you. definitely more bass and a larger sound-stage with the bi-polar towers in the bp-7006s over the mythos 4 and the 7006s would be a perfect match to the CLR-2300

the bi-polar towers need a little room to "breath" behind them. were you planning on putting your speaker flush against a wall? if so, you might want to go the mythos route
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post #3539 of 29358
9/18/07 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

personally, i would never get the powered version

what you lose in mid-range doesn't make up for what you gain with the so-called "subwoofer" in the powered version

timbre wise, the non powered version would be a better match to the 7001s

4 BPVXs across the rear would be incredible

adding 2 or even 4 subwoofers to them would be

Thanks. I never heard the vxp's and was thinking it would probably be better to use the bpvx's. I live in an apartment so multi subs would be a lease breaker. The svs along with the supercubes in the 7001's is more then enough. I also have shakers in the main viewing sofa for that little something extrea
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post #3540 of 29358
9/18/07 at 5:33pm
My current setup is

Receiver: Pioneer Elite 92
Center Channel: DT CLR2300
Front: DT 7002
Rears/Surrounds: DT BP1X

I have not yet installed it at my house, but when I was at BB I did enjoy(thats an understatement) the sound, but kinda deciding if I should have went with the BP2x, but they only had the display and wouldn't be getting anymore in. Also when I had did the "listen test" they had the 2002 as the center, but said that the 2300 was worth the upgrade. I did get a good deal on the set so I can't complain, but do you think I should eventually swap out the BP1X with either the BPVX or BP2x and use the BP1X as rears? Would it make that much of difference?

My main listening will be movies and games.

Thank you and enjoy your Def Techs!
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