Definitive Owners Thread - Page 13

I have def tech 2002 tl's and a clr 2300 which all have the built in subs. I got the best results by simply using 12 ga wire to each speaker and setting the processor for the mains and center to large. I have a separate svs sub hooked up to the sub pre out. The built ins do a good job but the svs definitely makes a noticeable difference in lf output.

I've been told to not use the subwoofer inputs on the BP7004 and CLR2300 and just hook up the speaker wires with the receiver set to large for fronts and center. Is there any benefit to setting the speakers to 'small' and splitting the subwoofer output to the 3 sub inputs?

My friend does not have a sub. Just to clarify, I should have him set all 3 speakers to 'large' and not connect a wire for the sub output?

i found the best sound for mine was to just set the 2 towers to large and the center to small. the bass from the fronts is great. i also use a sub but i dont really need it all the time because of the bass coming from the towers is so good.

in response to the klipsch v.s. def tech question:

it is true that either you love horns or you dont. i thought klipsch was great when compared to other speakers at similar listening points. but the louder klipsch got the harder on my ears they were. also the longer i listened to them the more i got tired listening to them. with the def techs i experienced the complete opposite. they sounded great at low and high volumes. music i auditioned with the klipsch sounded much smoother and just overall better on the def techs.

I noticed that you have the 7004's. Did you audition the 7002's and then decide to get the 04's or where the 7002's never in the running? If so, why so?

Also, If I get the 7002's, would the denon 2807 be enough to power them, or would I need something more high powered like the 4306?

i ended going for what they had available and what they could get delivered the fastest to there store. i was getting a huge discount and i didn't know how much longer my girl would be working at that store. so i just didn't want to take a chance on waiting and not getting 1/2 off retail. they said they didn't know when they would have the 7002 models available so i just auditioned the 7004 model. i had a strong feeling that i wouldn't be able to resist the larger model once i heard. plus i was still recovering from them not being able to sell me the martin logan setup i had my heart set on. they wouldn't because i there not selling that model m.l. anymore.

don't get me wrong though i love these def. techs. they sound much better then the def tech. setup i auditioned and the m.l.s in my opinion.

as for the second part of your question about powering these speakers. my 7004s are being powered by a yamaha rx-v650 and they sound great with my 5.1 setup. i don't know how the specs compare to the denon 2807. do you already have the denon receiver or are you planning on getting it. if you don't i would recommend walking into a tweeter if there is one around you and compare them to yamaha revivers. after putting the receivers on an a/b switch i wasn't to impressed with the denon revivers. my brother who knows nothing about good audio equipment ( he still thought sony made the best speakers until that day) quickly said that the yamahas sounded alot better. i liked both reveivers but i also preferred the yamahas sound. so now im waiting for the new hd audio formats to come out before i upgrade my receiver.

I don't have the denon yet so that is still open. I do own the yamaha 2500 and like it alot, but I was really impressed with the features of the 2807. I guess I will take a hard look at the 2600. Thanks for the input.

For a 5.1 setup, should the BP1.2X be mounted on the sides of the listening area or behind the listening area? Conventionally it would be the sides.

with my setup i had to go with behind. the sides were just not possiable. the manual says use the sides with 6 or 7 speaker setups. with 1 or 2 in the back and 2 on the sides.

Neither the most affordable Def Tech surrounds nor the Cinema series satellites are available locally. Ultimate does, however, have their outdoor speakers. Does anyone know if these would be decent as surrounds with my BP10b mains?

there isnt any b.b. magnolia around you?

100 miles away.

Thank you, but timbre-matching is my whole reason for sticking with Def Techs. I could get non-matching surrounds for a lot cheaper!

There's currently 2 pairs of Definitive Technology BP7000SC for sale on Audiogon.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1153073242

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1149006996


There's currently one Definitive Technology CLR3000 for sale.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1153498258


What are these speakers worth used?

Heres my set up.

Mits 62 diamond dlp
Dennon 1905 reciever
Dennon 1920 DVD
Pioneer PL540 Turntable
Def tech Mytho 7 center
Def tech Mytho 3's r/l fronts
Bose 301's Back
Bose 161's Sides
Def Tech 120 Sub
DT Hi Def Tivo Box

For exactly the same price as the Gems, I could get the BP2X's. I cannot afford either right now, but I could afford the BP1.2X's if I knew where to get them.

While the BP7000 SC's may retail at $5K/pair, I suspect that many were purchased for less than that during special authorized sales by dealers plus the shipping of these heavy beasts is included in the original retail sale.

IMHO, a price starting at retail minus 15-20% and then subtracting 10% a year of ownership would seem to be a reasonable used sale price providing that all original packing materials is provided. Beware that AFAIK, the warranties on Def Tech speakers are not transferrable, although Chet at Def Tech is ALWAYS helpful and goes the extra mile for their customers. Shipping costs for these beasts would be pretty hefty. YMMV

BTW--if serious about purchasing a pair of 7000's for what the selling price is on Audiogon, I would first check with any local dealers and find out if they have an authorized annual or semi-annual sale and you might get them for 20% off at that time and counting the shipping costs and warranty considerations, might come out ahead of the Audiogon sale prices.

MikeSp
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BP7000SC mains
BP2000 side surrounds
BPVX/P rear surrounds
CLR3000 center
(2) Reference Supercube subs
PF1800 sub
Velodyne SMS-1 parametric equalizer for the subs

BP7000SC mains
BP2000 side surrounds
BPVX/P rear surrounds
CLR3000 center
(2) Reference Supercube subs
PF1800 sub
Velodyne SMS-1 parametric equalizer for the subs


Holy crap! Can I come over if I'm ever in KC?

g_bartman -- should you ever be near Raymore (just south of KC), you certainly may come over -- by Christmas I hope to have my toys moved into a dedicated HT room that is under construction in the basement (it is wired, plumbed and studded in and ready for sheet rock, but the wife keeps putting roadblocks in the way and finding more things for this retired teacher to do before finishing the HT room, so the system does not sound the best in its present setting with horrible acoustics)

MikeSp

i have the 1.2x surrounds. they sound great. i got mine from b.b. magnolia. here is a heads up. b.b. magnolia gets them for half of what there advertised for. they get almost all the speakers for almost half of what the advertised price is. if your in a crunch for cash but need the better setup then when you go in ask for a manager not a sales person. then you bargin with them on the price. believe it or not they usually will drop the price a little. my girls father got what amounted to be a free 4 year warranty on his 36inch tv a few years ago. he saved around $300 or so then bought the warranty after he got the good deal.

While this is excellent advice regarding especially displays, it may not be as successful with Def Tech speakers. Unless BB/Magnolia has a different contract with Def Tech than their regular dealers, Def Tech speakers are supposed to be sold at retail with few exceptions such as factory authorized sales which are uncommon. There probably is some wiggle room in regards to Def Tech speaker pricing, but without factory approval, I doubt that the wiggle room is very much.

I have heard of the 50% profit margin and also that it is typical of most speakers AND that what the dealer pays for most speakers is double the cost of manufacturing...EGADS...

MikeSp

I usually get a few hundred dollars off DT speaker purchases. I always wonder though just what the dealer does pay for the actual speaker? J.H.

Thanks. My local Ultimate does not stock the 1.2X's, and I am 100 miles from a Magnolia. For now, "virtual" surround sounds better than one might expect. My BP10b's image like crazy, especially in a small room!

this site may help you getting the bp2x and 1.2x for alot cheaper then what magnolia has now.


http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cl...ring=mrd&hl=en

btw, bb magnolia will give you around 10% if you ask. after adding in shipping, online retailers aren't such a bargain. good luck