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post #661 of 30932
I am in the market for some new fronts to replace a pair of polk rti 150's.

I have been drooling over the 7002's having listened to them at magnolia and impressed--I am reassured to see all the happy owners here, as I have seen the criticisms too and am scared a bit as most of my listening is 2ch stereo although I do a good amount of multichannel sacd/dvd a as well (and realize that a change in fronts will ultimately require a change of multichtennel setup as well).

My question is has anyone compared the 7004 or 7002 with the polk lsi 15, B&W 604/700 series, the martinlogan mosaic/montage, paradigm reference 60/100 or anything else in the $1500- 2k range? Any advice?

In case it makes any difference they would be run via a parasound c1 with a sunfire cinemagrand signature amplifier.
thanks!
post #662 of 30932
Thread Starter 
The Definitves have a price point and value that non of those brands can touch.

The B&W 700s would be close but still. With the BP7002's you are talking four 5.25in midranges and dual 1in tweeters, not only are these way more efficient but will increase clarity. Lets not forget a 300w RMS 12in powered sub in eac tower.

~Bob
post #663 of 30932
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Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post

The Definitves have a price point and value that non of those brands can touch.


~Bob

Along those lines-I was wondering if this was a good deal. I found some new last year stuff. BP-30-$899pair, BP-10-$699pair-and 15"def tech sub-$599.
post #664 of 30932
Thread Starter 
Evo those BP30 are a awesome deal, prolly their best non-power towers made.

~Bob
post #665 of 30932
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Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post

Evo those BP30 are a awesome deal, prolly their best non-power towers made.

~Bob


Bob- Thnx- That is what he told me, guess he is pretty honest. I'm going to try and get them.
post #666 of 30932
Well after lurking on this forum for six months, I thought I would try my first question. I currently have a CLR 2500 mounted above my TV on a shelf. Has anyone tried this center or one of the other centers with a top mounted sub on an enclosed shelf - i.e. in a television stand? Is there any difference in sound? How much clearance do you have above the speaker? Is the speaker pointed up?

Turned out to be several questions I guess. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
post #667 of 30932
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Originally Posted by sacker8472 View Post

Well after lurking on this forum for six months, I thought I would try my first question. I currently have a CLR 2500 mounted above my TV on a shelf. Has anyone tried this center or one of the other centers with a top mounted sub on an enclosed shelf - i.e. in a television stand? Is there any difference in sound? How much clearance do you have above the speaker? Is the speaker pointed up?

Turned out to be several questions I guess. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Unfortunately, I can only speak to half of your question. As opposed to you, I don't have my CLR 2300 on top of the TV, I have it on a shelf on my TV stand. I've never heard my speaker on top, only out of the stand briefly (with it on the floor). I got the 2300 vs. the 2500 or 3000 purely because it was short enough to fit in my space. I was worried that the clearance would be a major problem, but decided that I would just turn off the subwoofer if it was too bad. I have roughly 3/4" clearance between the top of the speaker and the stand top. I was afraid of boominess or other distortion on the low end, but I actually have not perceived this at all. One caveat is that I have the stand approx. 8" from the back wall, and I have the speaker slanted up about as much as possible in the space, so the speaker is kind of angled back into some open space. I don't know how it would sound in a completely closed space. I'm very happy where it is, especially considering what I upgraded from. Could it sound better on top of the TV? Maybe, but just like with upgraditis, if I don't go looking for improvements, I won't necessarily "need" them, right?
post #668 of 30932
These are some old pics...I've done a little rearranging.

bp7004's -main
clr 2500 -center
bp2x's- ss
pm80's - rs
ps200 - sub

Upgraded from procinema 80 package

Love my DT's
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post #669 of 30932
I went to a B&M store and after listening to a few speakers I chose the following:

Front: Mythos One Silver
Center: Mythos Three Black
Sub: Martin Logan Abyss

I need to pick up rear surrounds and I thought about the Mythos Gems and stands. On DT's site I saw that the Mythos Six now have floor stands available, which one would be better? Big difference between the two?

I also looked at receivers and I am thinking of either the Denon 3806 or 2807 to drive everything.

PS: I have 30 days to return anything, so if someone thinks there is a better match to the Mythos One's for a center and sub, let me know. Thanks
post #670 of 30932
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Originally Posted by LPMM View Post

I went to a B&M store and after listening to a few speakers I chose the following:

Front: Mythos One Silver
Center: Mythos Three Black
Sub: Martin Logan Abyss

I need to pick up rear surrounds and I thought about the Mythos Gems and stands. On DT's site I saw that the Mythos Six now have floor stands available, which one would be better? Big difference between the two?

I also looked at receivers and I am thinking of either the Denon 3806 or 2807 to drive everything.

PS: I have 30 days to return anything, so if someone thinks there is a better match to the Mythos One's for a center and sub, let me know. Thanks

I think the Mythos Eight would be a better center channel match for the Mythos Ones as the Eight has the same 5-1/4 drivers as the ones. The Mythos Three has the 4-1/2 drivers and would be the better match if you were using the Mythos Four towers.
post #671 of 30932
My excellent little DefTech setup:

PowerMonitor 500 - Front L/R
C/L/R 2300 - Center
BP2X - Surrounds
ProSub 100TL
Onkyo DS-898 (replacing with Yamaha RX-V1600 in 3 days)
Onkyo DV-CP702
40" LCD HDTV (upgrading to 58" 1080p DLP)

I'm looking for some 24" - 30" stands for the PowerMonitors. Right now, the speakers are on the floor. I live in a loft. My floors are scored concrete, so no spikes are needed. I've seen some good looking stands in the pictures. Any recommendations?

Thanks!
post #672 of 30932
Hi, just a sugestion, I was runnung my 7002's with a arcam av 300 and they sounded great, I decided to try a amp with this setup, I bought a butler 5250, and all I can say is wow, it took the speakers to a all new level, I would now compare them to the aerials I have in a 2 channel setup with a classe amp, it helps prove a theory of mine, that a good amp is essential, good luck
post #673 of 30932
I usually hang out in the Flat Panel forum but have a few questions for Def Tech owners out there...

I really want the Mythos 8's for my fronts and will probably get one for a center channel as well. I tried to demo them at a local hi-end shop, but couldnt get a pure sound because of distractions (it was mobbed with people and kids).

I had some Paradigms MK-II's and they were bass heavy. Never really like them. I already have a SVS dual 12" woofer and really need more mid/high end. Will these speakers deliver? (I'll calibrate with a RS-SPL and use a Pioneer VSX-1015TX)


I'll use them 100% for home theater movies/TV/sports/DVD.

Also, what do people use for rears? M2's? (Right now for rears, I have a pair of really cheap Sony's that sound like a shoe box with a speakerphone inside).

Thanks.
post #674 of 30932
What do people think of the Def Tech Pro cin 60 line? Any other recommendation?
post #675 of 30932
thanks.
post #676 of 30932
OK - planning to put a 60" pioneer plasma above our fireplace ......so now my question is about speaker placement.....I've ended up focused on the Def Tech Mythos line, and I'm uncertain about the best type of front speakers. The center speaker will be a Mythos 3 on the mantle just below the plasma.....but, with regard to the front side speakers, I'm concerned that using a pair of Mythos 4's on the floor will sound strange because the screen would be much higher than they are. The other alternative would be wall mounted (mythos 2's or 8's) on either side of the plasma.... any opinions?
post #677 of 30932
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Originally Posted by Ratzo View Post

OK - planning to put a 60" pioneer plasma above our fireplace ......so now my question is about speaker placement.....I've ended up focused on the Def Tech Mythos line, and I'm uncertain about the best type of front speakers. The center speaker will be a Mythos 3 on the mantle just below the plasma.....but, with regard to the front side speakers, I'm concerned that using a pair of Mythos 4's on the floor will sound strange because the screen would be much higher than they are. The other alternative would be wall mounted (mythos 2's or 8's) on either side of the plasma.... any opinions?

I was in almost the same situation....I was going to purchase Mythos and mount them on the side of my NEC 50 above the fireplace, but I just did not think it would look good IMO and I wanted larger speakers....So I purchased Def Tech BP 7004s and put them on the floor on each side of the mantel - works fine with me....(my fireplace mantel is low so the plasma/towers looks good and sounds good. My Def Tech CLR 2002 is above the plasma in a wall cavity and sticks out 4-5 inches (not the best solution but it still sounds great).....I play 50/50 - Music/TV.....
post #678 of 30932
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Originally Posted by khellandros66 View Post

The Definitves have a price point and value that non of those brands can touch.

The B&W 700s would be close but still. With the BP7002's you are talking four 5.25in midranges and dual 1in tweeters, not only are these way more efficient but will increase clarity. Lets not forget a 300w RMS 12in powered sub in eac tower.

~Bob

Agree completely. There seem to be lots of those that like to knock Def Tech's Bi-polar sound technology, but if you have heard it in a properly set-up room (like my showroom ), there is really nothing that can compare when it comes to reproducing surround sound movietracks. I have installed some upgraded equipment in a home theatre with an existing B&W 700 series&surround set-up, and it sounded really nice in 2 channel, but just didn't have that same spaciousness and all-enveloping surround immersion.
post #679 of 30932
Presently using a Mythos 2/3 set for the front. I'm considering getting some Ones for the front L/R and moving the Twos to the surrounds. Def Tech says the Ones go down to 20hz but we all know about their specs...so the question is how low do they really go before they drop off?

TIA
post #680 of 30932
I have towers with built in subs. I like my system allot but found it benefitted from an svs sub. Do you have a sub now?
post #681 of 30932
I'm using a HSU VTF-2 sub which I've been extremely happy with for a long time. It fills in the bottom end nicely; the Mythos 2's according to Def Tech go down to 45hz which IMO is nonsense. To me they start falling off rapidly around 80hz using the freq sweep on Avia so I'm guessing in my room the Ones would be good to about 40-45hz. I'd be very surprised if they actually had useable output at 20hz as they state.
post #682 of 30932
IIRC, I read a review of the Mythos 1s and they rolled off very nicely right at 80Hz (nice pretty graph included in the article and everything). Technically they still output some sound at the 20 to 30 Hz range but it wasn't anything useable as dtauscher noted. The reviewer strongly recommending pairing them with a sub and using an 80Hz crossover. Wish I could find the article for you.
post #683 of 30932
I currently have a pair of ProMonitor 200 for L/R, the ProMonitor 100 for surrounds and a ProCinema C2 center. I use a Phase Technology Octave 12" sub. I am giving serious thought to changing out and would like opinions. I am considering the C/L/R 2300 for center, the Power Monitor 500 for L/R and a pair of BP2X for the surrounds. What do you think of that swap? I am also wanting opinions of using the Studio Monitor 450 instead of the PM500. Thoughts? Will the center overwhelm them? Thanks.

By the way, if I do this, I would appreciate a PM as to the value of the existing speakers. They are as new, with the fronts residing in an enclosed entertainment center and the rears mounted about 9 feet up on the wall. The only thing that may turn some off is the fronts are black and the rears are white, to better match the walls. The PM200 would make awesome surrounds in a system.
post #684 of 30932
Thread Starter 
Tarheel

I would in fact recommend the PM700's instead of the PM500s. Take your time and save up as these will have some serious increase in the mid to bass section.. Most of the percusion range is 20Hz-250Hz and the more you can give it, the better it will feel and sound.

~Bob
post #685 of 30932
Tarheel,

I currently am using a pair of SM350s with a CLR2300 center, and the match is perfect. I have two rooms where I have Def Tech speakers. My bedroom, where I have the above, along with a pair of in ceiling Yamaha surrounds, and a Yamaha 10" sub, and my HT room where I have a pair of SM450s in front, a CLR3000 center and BPVX/P surrounds. I am expecting the arrival of a pair of PM900s today to replace the 450s in the HT (though I am more than satisfied with the SM450s), and will be moving the 450s to the bedroom with the CLR2300. So in a couple of days, I can let you know how that works out. I suspect that the CLR2300 might be a bit small for the 450s since it has 4.5" drivers and the 450s have 6.5" drivers. The 350s were a bit closer with 5.25" drivers.

The CLR2300 center will definitely NOT overwhelm the SM450s as fronts. The 450s are holding up very well against the CLR3000 in my HT, so that is not an issue. The 450s are great speakers, as are the 350s. The larger drivers definitely give more body to the sound than the CLR2300. If you can find one, you might want to consider a CLR2500 as a closer match to the SM450s. I spoke to Chet at Def Tech about this issue, and he said that you get a good match with anything that is within one size difference driver.

-- Martin
post #686 of 30932
thanks for the replies. mschiff, you have a PM.
post #687 of 30932
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Originally posted by mschiff:

The CLR2300 center will definitely NOT overwhelm the SM450s as fronts. The 450s are holding up very well against the CLR3000 in my HT, so that is not an issue. The 450s are great speakers, as are the 350s. The larger drivers definitely give more body to the sound than the CLR2300. If you can find one, you might want to consider a CLR2500 as a closer match to the SM450s. I spoke to Chet at Def Tech about this issue, and he said that you get a good match with anything that is within one size difference driver.

I would have to agree with mschiff, since I sold him the 350s. :-) I used those same 350s with no CC, or the CC in phantom mode. I had PM80s in back. I upgraded to BP2006s with a 2300 and 1.2 BPX in back. I must say I am a little disappointed in the 2300. It's a little week for the 2006s. I wish I had went with the 2002 for the 5.25" woofers. The 2500 was to big to fit under my cabinet or I would have went with that. I also wish I had went with larger surrounds.

IMHO, I think Def Tech CCs are a little weak for the BP mains that have built in subs. The PM500s with the 2300 may match better than my 2006s and not be over powered though. If you can listen to them that would be best, or better yet see if your dealer will let you take them. My dealer offered to let me try the 2002 and the 2300 in home and I just went with the 2300 to match everything.

Now I wish I would have went with 5.25" woofers all the way around instead of the 4.5". I am eyeing the SC7001s, but I have no idea what center I would use since the 2500 doesn't fit my TV stand. Maybe I will have to drop to the 2002 with the 7002 or 7004s. I hate how this hobby always makes me feel like I need to upgrade. :-)

mschiff, glad to hear you are getting use out of the 350s. I wish my wife would have let me hang them on the rear wall. :-)
post #688 of 30932
Lowell,

Yes, I've been enjoying the 350s a lot. I listen to music every night on them, and since I replaced my Yamaha center with the 2300, it sounds great.

I received my PM900s last night for the HT, and replaced the SM450s with them. They do sound different, and in some ways better, but I'm not sure yet. The bass is smoother and more present with the powered sub, but they don't seem quite as open and transparent as the 450s. I don't yet have them mounted properly, and one is higher than the other, so that may be the problem. I listened to all my reference music CDs and they do sound great. They also are a better match for the CLR3000 center. The front does seem to be more even on the low end especially.

-- Martin
post #689 of 30932
mschiff, if the 450s are like the 350s, they have a crystal clear detail that is hard to replace. Maybe that's what it is. I am sure the 900s bring allot more powerful presence. Are you running an extra sub since you have 3 subs up front already? Also, is the 3000 set to large? I keep flipping my 2300 back and forth.
post #690 of 30932
Lowell, what dealer do you use in San Antonio?
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