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post #31 of 1330
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Originally Posted by subbedout View Post

cyberbri - awesome, thanks for your advice! I got the 5.1 setup, the area behind the viewing area is quite active (it is my family room after all), so the old floor standing speakers might just survive there. Wouldn't they pollute the quality of the existing 5? At the moment, it's all speculation as my receiver is 5.1 only, but I am planning to upgrade at some point this year (waiting for the new hddvd/bd audio formats to be supported)

I don't think they would "pollute", as the surround speakers aren't as crucial for matching as the front 3. If you can run 6 or 7 channels, however, with both side and rear surrounds, I do think it would sound great and add to the immersion a lot. I have a 7.1 receiver, but only 5 main speakers, so I am hoping to either upgrade to a whole set of speakers, like the SVS SBS-01 set, or at least get a couple of reasonably-matched bookshelf speakers to add to the back.
post #32 of 1330
I Just spent the last few days helping SVS at CES and took a set home for my office HT (though I'm going to loan them to a friend for a while first). These things are nothing short of amazing for their price class. I demoed them dozens of times and just about every time I told folks after the demo that they are around $600 a set, someone would ask if I meant per speaker or per pair.

-Robb
post #33 of 1330
Just got my speakers on Friday. Sub was "recheduled" for delivery today.

Any guesses on who is delivering??!! For anyone wondering about whether or not to use UPS in the future, here is a direct quote from a Founder/CEO of a company I did business with (after going through a nightmare situation with UPS) regarding why he made the decision to switch carriers for his company's products: "UPS must use catapults to load their trucks."

I couldn't agree more. SVS did pack the speakers quite efficiently though and everything seems to be OK. Now just waiting for the sub...

I can't test the speakers yet as my HT is wired for a Bose setup and Bose requires you to pipe everything through the Bass Module. So I have to wait until I can bring everything over to someone's house. Probably this weekend.

As for fit and finish, I was VERY impressed. They are solid bookshelves, but not as big as one reviewer described. They're about as big as what I was expecting.
post #34 of 1330
I received my speakers on Thursday @ 6:45 PM. I was initially upset and had to call UPS because the stands arrived on one truck with out the speakers. Finally the speakers arrived later that night on another truck.

Needless to say I finally went to bed at 2:00 that morning. This is my first true 5.1 set up save a few plastic speakers added to my kenwood stereo system back in college. Which might I say never did work very well.

As I still haven't set the levels on the speakers yet these are just my initial impressions from just hooking up everything and listing.

Build quality is great
Sound is amazing, it fills my room (20 x 13) very easily with my AVR-335. I can't wait to get the speakers set to the right levels.

My wife even enjoyed turning the speakers up to very high levels and watching the incredibles. We found we could listen at high levels and not get tired of the sound (it didn't run us out of the room at any point.)

I don't have the experience that many of you have but I bought the speakers mainly based on reviews by other members here and on price. Wanting to get the best set of speakers I could for about $1,000 and so far I have no regrets. These speakers will be in my system till I move and my next house has a dedicated HT room.
post #35 of 1330
I would like to know if anyone has received their entire order at the same time?
post #36 of 1330
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Originally Posted by jackie C View Post

I would like to know if anyone has received their entire order at the same time?

I did. My entire order arrived at the same time, and only two days after being shipped. This included the sub box, the box with the surrounds and center channel, and one box for the speaker stands. I guess I lucked out...
post #37 of 1330
I am just glad my speakers showed up in the same day.
post #38 of 1330
I received the PB-10, SBS 5.0 box, SBS 2.0 box, and two pairs of stands all at the same time.
post #39 of 1330
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

I don't think they would "pollute", as the surround speakers aren't as crucial for matching as the front 3. If you can run 6 or 7 channels, however, with both side and rear surrounds, I do think it would sound great and add to the immersion a lot. I have a 7.1 receiver, but only 5 main speakers, so I am hoping to either upgrade to a whole set of speakers, like the SVS SBS-01 set, or at least get a couple of reasonably-matched bookshelf speakers to add to the back.

Sounds great - thanks again! I'll have to think a little about placement for the rears as they'd be in a high-traffic zone.
post #40 of 1330
It is the UPS employees. They are angry that anyone would ever think of making them lift such a heavy package. It is there method of protest.

It is not just audio equiptment, it is anything large and heavy.

You will see them dragging,sliding,shoving,dropping basically any thing other than using mechanical advantage.

A catapualt would be a step up for big brown.
post #41 of 1330
I got my order with no problems. All the boxes arrived on time at the same time with very little damage. I have some pics, but since I have no posts yet, I can't post them or post the site address.

For comparison, here is my old setup:
Receiver: Denon 3801
Mains: Altec Lansing bookshelf 3-way 12" (don't remember m/n, not very good)
Center: Klipsch RC-3 (extremely happy with the performance)
Surrounds: Yamaha bookshelf 3-way 8" (minor damage, poor performance)
Sub: Klipsch KSW-12

I had originally planned to finish my setup with all Klipsch reference speakers, but that got put on hold during school. When I saw the preorder price on the SBS-01, I couldn't pass it up. So I ordered a 7.1 SBS-01 system with a PB10-ISD and one set of stands. Friday night I unpacked them, checked for any damage and then hooked them up. I only hooked up a 5.1 system so I did not have a chance to listen to all seven speakers together. After I hooked them up, I could only do some listening at low levels to make sure everything worked.

Saturday morning I used Avia to calibrate the speaker levels. Even during the calibration, I could tell the PB10 goes a lot deeper and plays cleaner the the KSW12. During one of the frequency sweeps down to 20hz, my brother in law walked into the room laughing. He said it was the first time a stereo produced bass that made his stomach queasy. After calibration I watched War of the Worlds. Even though I only watched at moderate levels, the system was still impressive. The sub definately shined during the movie. Although the KSW-12 has pretty good max output, the pb10 played much lower and cleaner. The SVS bookshelves were clear, detailed and had much better imaging then my old setup. With my old speakers, I had to run my center 5-6 db hot during movies to get clear dialog. (The altec lansings and yamahas have poor midrange performance) Needless to say I no longer have to do that. Overall the SVS system produced a much cleaner and more submersive (less localized around the speakers themselves) sound. I didn't get a chance to do any other listening becuase it was time for football.

On Sunday I did not have a chance to do any good listening tests. I only played some classical music in the background. I'm going to try to do more music tests during the week and watch some familiar movies this weekend. I can't wait to watch LOTR or Star Wars at room shaking levels.

Sorry about the poor review, but if anyone has any specific questions or would like some specific pictures, let me know.

-mike
post #42 of 1330
It seems these speakers are getting great overall reviews, and look to be a sure hit w/ regards to bang for the buck. But they truly can't be the perfect speakers, can they? If some more people could post what they don't like about the speakers, that would be very helpful. Everyone's feedback is greatly appreciated thus far

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Originally Posted by need1800CFHT View Post


Things that would be interesting are

1. How much would you pay if you did it again?

2. What other speakers have you owened or are familar with?

3. Are you thinking you should have went bigger or spent more?

4. Is that big sub worth the size tradeoff.

5. What music sounds best?

6. What music sound worse?

7. What is the best xover you have tried?

8. How do they sound 2 channel?

9. How do they sound with 4 5 channel ( no sub)

10. Would you reccomend them to your grandma and grandpa? How about your parents?

11. What size is your room?

12. Have you listened to them loud enough to hurt your ears? Did they still sound good?

13. How do they sound at very low levels?

14. How do they sound at levels you can talk over?

15. What are you preefeeding them with?

16. Pictures always help with understanding and credibillaty
post #43 of 1330
I posted this in the Sub section, but thought I'd ask it hear, and maybe the SVS guys can answer this:

I have about a 14x20 foot rectangular room, and the subwoofer is in the rear left corner with the "grill" facing the couch (meaning, if I am sitting down, the grill of the sub is facing my left ear.)

Now, I still have my old crappy fronts (UPS screwed up the delivery for my SVS speakers), and I have a new HK AVR-240. I haven't done the "EZ-SET" calibration, and I have not adjusted the db or bass at all - everything is set at "0". Speakers are set at "Small".

When I listen to music, I can tell where the bass is coming from. I thought I wasn't supposed to. Have I set it up wrong? Should I turn the sub so the grill faces either towards the back wall, or the TV? Is this a problem?

I have the crossover set at 80 - I am new to this, so let me ask this:

Does the crossover set what hz the sub fires at and below? Meaning anything over 80 goes to the mains, anything under goes to the sub?

I have the "gain" set at about 1/4 - 1/3 on the dial.

It is a PB 10-ISD

As for placement, I had always read that the rear corner was the preferred space for it.
post #44 of 1330
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Originally Posted by KPFury View Post

It seems these speakers are getting great overall reviews, and look to be a sure hit w/ regards to bang for the buck. But they truly can't be the perfect speakers, can they? If some more people could post what they don't like about the speakers, that would be very helpful. Everyone's feedback is greatly appreciated thus far


Well, I don't think the comments have been all hype.
I have read many comments saying they thought the sub was to large.
I read where someone stated they didn't like the finish of the speakers.
I also read one persons comments that they felt the speakers were at times a bit on the bright side. Even then, to the last of my knowledge, the poster still had not ruled out that the issue was his receiver.
But for the most part, I to have read nothing but rave reviews about the sound quality these speakers produce.

Craig
post #45 of 1330
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Originally Posted by grey2112 View Post

I posted this in the Sub section, but thought I'd ask it hear, and maybe the SVS guys can answer this:

I have about a 14x20 foot rectangular room, and the subwoofer is in the rear left corner with the "grill" facing the couch (meaning, if I am sitting down, the grill of the sub is facing my left ear.)

Now, I still have my old crappy fronts (UPS screwed up the delivery for my SVS speakers), and I have a new HK AVR-240. I haven't done the "EZ-SET" calibration, and I have not adjusted the db or bass at all - everything is set at "0". Speakers are set at "Small".

When I listen to music, I can tell where the bass is coming from. I thought I wasn't supposed to. Have I set it up wrong? Should I turn the sub so the grill faces either towards the back wall, or the TV? Is this a problem?

I have the crossover set at 80 - I am new to this, so let me ask this:

Does the crossover set what hz the sub fires at and below? Meaning anything over 80 goes to the mains, anything under goes to the sub?

I have the "gain" set at about 1/4 - 1/3 on the dial.

It is a PB 10-ISD

As for placement, I had always read that the rear corner was the preferred space for it.


When set to SMALL, the signal below the crossover point will be re-routed to the sub. However it's not a brick wall. There's quite a slope so the sub and speakers blend - just like the crossovers inside actual speakers to route sound to the tweeters/mids/woofers. So when crossed at 80Hz, the speakers will still receive signal below that, albeit gradually decreasing down from that point. The sub will also play somewhat above that point.

For sub placement, towards the front of the room is usually better, as it blends with the front speakers better. Placement near a corner can boost the bass frequencies, but it can also make the response really bumpy, which will sound boomy - you want the flattest response possible - due to room acoustics. Somewhere out a few feet along a side wall from a front corner may work good for you, or along the front wall by the speakers a few feet away from a side corner. With the sub really close to you, depending on room factors, the crossover point, and if the sub volume is balanced with the speakers, you may hear the bass coming from the sub. That just means you need to work on placement and adjustment and balance with the main speakers.
post #46 of 1330
Thread Starter 
Finally got the speakers today!

(I just got 2 out of 4 packages, and those 2 happened to be the 5 speakers + sub, so I kinda lucked out amongst UPS' delivery woes!)

The speakers are sitting unpacked at home. I'll do some listening tonight and post my initial impressions tonight...
post #47 of 1330
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Originally Posted by grey2112 View Post

As for placement, I had always read that the rear corner was the preferred space for it.

Placement near the sitting area (near-field) is good for getting the biggest impact from your sub, not necessarily best for a seamless blend between the satellites and sub. With your room size, I don't think you'll be losing a lot with front wall placement. Try it in the front of the room and see if it sounds better.
post #48 of 1330
Where are the reviews?
post #49 of 1330
I plan on buying these speakers and will need to buy a receiver to pair with it. The svs site shows the speakers to be 85db.....can anyone advise what the minimum power level should be to push the speakers...I can get a denon 3805 for $799, but am worried this would be too much power..125 watts....I have a 15x14 room...any thoughts? I am still trying to learn so please be gentle. Don't need a denon, just looking for a good, strong, reliable receiver with easy set up....looks like I would need to buy the denon set up mic separately,..
post #50 of 1330
Don't worry about over-powering. Your main concern should be under-powering. That Denon should work just fine.
post #51 of 1330
Don't know if the WAF will allow me to place the sub near the front of the room. Perhaps I just need to adjust the volume and output of the sub and keep it where it is at for now. Also, maybe I'll eventually get used to the sound of the bass coming from my left. My wife doesn't seem to hear it or get bugged by it.
post #52 of 1330
Calibrate definitely, but you are probably sitting too close. Put it behind her and see if she'll let you move it to the front .
post #53 of 1330
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Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post

I plan on buying these speakers and will need to buy a receiver to pair with it. The svs site shows the speakers to be 85db.....can anyone advise what the minimum power level should be to push the speakers...I can get a denon 3805 for $799, but am worried this would be too much power..125 watts....I have a 15x14 room...any thoughts? I am still trying to learn so please be gentle. Don't need a denon, just looking for a good, strong, reliable receiver with easy set up....looks like I would need to buy the denon set up mic separately,..

Per a post from Ron S I saw somewhere else. if you can give these guys 35watts, they are fine. Some 110wpc receivers are challenged doing this but that's another story .
post #54 of 1330
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Originally Posted by grey2112 View Post

Don't know if the WAF will allow me to place the sub near the front of the room. Perhaps I just need to adjust the volume and output of the sub and keep it where it is at for now. Also, maybe I'll eventually get used to the sound of the bass coming from my left. My wife doesn't seem to hear it or get bugged by it.


When you have the place to yourself for a few hours or more, move it to the front of the room, adjust it so things sound better, and leave it there. If she mentions anything, tell her that you just spent $X and you want to get the most of your money by placing everything where it sounds the best, not where it necessarily looks the best (or most out of the way). You wouldn't buy a new TV and put it where you can barely see it, or a new piece of furniture in a corner where it won't get used...

It'll help if you have an SPL meter and Avia and can verify that the new location does in fact give you the best response/blend.
post #55 of 1330
Why sacrifice best performance because your wife may not like it at the front of the room? I mean seriously...when did men stop being men? Are most guys really that p-whipped they do everything their wife/gf says?

Am I married? No. If I was married would I not put a sub in its optimal placement because my wife wouldn't think it looked all cute there? No, I'd put it where it damn well performed the best. Would I even marry a woman who would bitch about something so trivial? No.

Is there any HAF (husband acceptance factor) involved in marriages? If a wife wanted to put something in a place the guy didn't like would he be able to say "no" and she'd say "ok honey"? Doubt it.

Sorry for my off topic vent and I mean no offense to anyone. To each their own I guess even if I think it is silly.
post #56 of 1330
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rlindo View Post

If a wife wanted to put something in a place the guy didn't like would he be able to say "no" and she'd say "ok honey"? Doubt it.

ROFL
post #57 of 1330
Ron,
I understand what you mean by the watts comment....years ago I bought Klipsch KG4's and bought a Nakamichi 40 watt receiver, based on recommendation of a knowledgeable sales person....true 40 watts...that is a great receiver and drives the speakers...for grins I hooked up a friend's 100 watt pioneer...sounded like crap..,

I will be using the sub as an end table to one of our couches, up front....wife actually likes the idea.....
post #58 of 1330
I am lucky to have a very understanding wife when it comes to my HT. Recently we were cleaning up after Christmas, and I decided to try moving the sub from behind the couch (5-6' from back of couch to back wall - sub shook the couch quite nice there, but didn't blend too well with the front mains) and see how it sounded on the front left wall. I ran some sweeps with it in two spots, and moved it up there. My wife asked what I was doing, and I told her the sub sounded better there. She shrugged her shoulders, said OK, and we rearranged the area behind the couch (play area for kids).

In the past, we compromised about where the DVDs would go as well. I had them as well as my books and CDs on a couple of long shelves in the back, but I wanted my DVDs over the TV on the shelves around the center speaker. So recently we compromised, and I put the DVDs over the TV, and moved the CDs and books to a hidden-away bookshelf, and gave her the the shelves to decorate (except for where one of my rear bookshelf speakers sits).

So I agree with Rob for the most part on this.
post #59 of 1330
My order showed up Friday and included a 2.0 and 5.0 set as well as a PB-12. Stayed up until 2:00am putting stands together and hooking them up. I knew a 7.1 setup would require lots of speaker wire so I had already armed myself with a new 100' roll of Monster XP before hand and some dayton banana plugs. Also got one of the silver serpent cables for the sub connection since the discount when ordering them fom SVS was so much better than from better cables direct.

My first thoughts regarding build quality were very favorable. These things are solid. The nice rounded edges and seamless corners are a very nice touch. I mated the speakers to a panny xr55 I got a few weeks back which had been patiently waiting on the shelf for them to arrive. The xr55 is connected to an s97.

Saturday, after getting some sleep I finally got to demo them a little at more respectable sound levels. I tried a few of the standards, Super Speedway, U571, LOTR, WOTW, T2, and even some DVD audio. Also tried some Harry Connick and Polar Express.

Terrific sound. That PB12 is intense. My entire room (18x16) was rumbling. The xr55 didn't have any trouble driving them at all. I broke out the avia disk and spl meter and tried to calibrate. Eveything went well except for one item. I thought I was detecting a slight drop on my left front channel, requiring a 3db or so bump to bring it even with the center and right. This was a problem because the xr55 only has a center level adjustment and no left or right channel augmentation other than balance. But after substituting another SBS-01 in its place the drop vanished. So I tried to calibrate the surround left channel (where I had swapped out the left front bookshelf) and low and behold there was another 3 db drop.... hmmm.

After listening closley to the pink noise tests from avia I have decided that it now isn't really a drop so much as it is a difference in highs not being produced by the speaker. Its as if the tweeter isn't producing sound at all or possibly at a reduced level. It is most noticable when listening to the moving pink noise from channel to channel. The texture of the sound changes when it is played from that one speaker.

So for the time being I have just set up things as a 6.1 format and will work with SVS to get the single bookshelf looked at. All the other speakers sound great. The sub sounds great. I am very pleased with my order and would order it again. Great value for the money.

I am still tweaking and geeking out over them, trying out different sub placements and varying toe in on the fronts. DTS sound tracks on movies are great fun to revist now and I seem to be hearing lots of detail from the combination of the xr55 and the SB's with no noise.

My current favorite clip is the WOTW scene where the first tripod is about to errupt and the huge circle of asphault is rotating. The details of bricks falling and earth rumbling is insane.

I will post again with more later... gotta go listen to some more movies
post #60 of 1330
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Originally Posted by Torrent View Post

My current favorite clip is the WOTW scene where the first tripod is about to errupt and the huge circle of asphault is rotating. The details of brocks falling and earth rumbling is insane.

If you haven't checked out House of Flying Daggers, now's the time!!
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