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post #61 of 157
:D WOW Nick2003, I tried your SM changes and all I can say is thanks thanks alot. Those settings worked out great on my XS. I never seen HD look that good, it sucks that I only get OTA HD but its better than nothing and its free. It looks great for HD and DVDs but cable looks a little dull but I thinks thats because cable is...cable. I just use my standard setting for cable since there is realy no detail there anyway and I dont realy care about accuracy for cable color. Its ashame that we have to do all this to get a great picture from our Sonys and that everyone cant enjoy the same PQ that there TV is capable of.
post #62 of 157
Glad it worked for you Jerm, SDTV will never look great on an HD set, I never even really bother watching it anymore cause im so hooked on hd. Im still amazed at how good this tv looks on hd and dvd once i got it calibrated. Ive seen all kinds of tv's but none of them have compared to the Sony tube sets. Enjoy!
post #63 of 157
i still have yet to tune my 30HS. still playing X360 on default settings.
post #64 of 157
I just thought i'd add that while i was doing some work on my pc tonight with the tv i noticed the yellow or greenish push that you guys mentioned, From what i remember reading in the past this is the way that 6500k is supposed to be. The fix is just leave the same service menu settings i listed and change the color temp to "cool" the yellow or green push isn't because the green color decoder is not set right its because of the color temps, Hence why the calibrator set it like this. If you go into your tv's user menu and go from warm to neutral to cool you will notice alot of green or yellow push on warm, a little on neutral and none on the "cool" setting. Ive had many HDTV's before finally geting the sony and they all did this same thing. The cool mode may have a very very slight blue tent but i couldn't notice it at all. So anyway i just wanted to let you guys know that the color decoder values are infact set right. But wow i thought it looked great before, This tv just keeps geting better.
post #65 of 157
Ok so it turns out ChrisPC had the right idea, After switching to the cool mode and pulling up my test patterns the blue and red were off so i put it back to neutral and changed GDRV from 35 to 30 to get rid of the yellow. So i think im officially done tuning my set :)
post #66 of 157
lucky you. i havent even started lol :)
post #67 of 157
Join the club;)

Been meticulously doing mine for the past 1 year and a 1/2. Only thing i never touched was greyscal everything else is tuned and optimized for maximum Video Image performance.
post #68 of 157
Well after adjusting till the yellow was gone i just didn't like fleshtones at all, There to red even with ryr and ryb set to 15 so i decided to search if 6500 was supposed to have the yellow tint and came across this thread: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rema...81?hilite=6500

From the thread:
Hey guys, I was able to borrow a Monaco Optix color calibration unit from work to Calibrate my monitor. So far so good. But I am confused on one item.

Color Temperature of the Monitor

Does one use
6500
9300 ...

Response:
That's personal preference. If you like your monitor a cool white (standard) you use 9300; if you prefer the yellowish cast used in pre-press (much easier on the eyes) go for 6500. Think of it as the "white balance" of the monitor. For most people, 9300 works just fine.

That's what I used to think (and use), then when I was researching this same question, I came upon recommendation after recommendation to use 6500. I switched and now I can't go back. 9300 is so stark and blue.


So anyway i decided to go back to the 6500k like the calibrator set it.
post #69 of 157
Nick your problem is'nt the SM codes it's your color setting..you can't expect to leave it in the middle and get good color, you have to turn the color control down to get rid of the garrishness and the picture will be sharper too with a lower color setting.

On every CRT they look better with color turned down,your supposed to turn them down anyways to get rid of a lot of garrishness in the picture.

My color setting is at 4 clicks left from the middle setting and my color decoder settings are RYR-14, RYB-14, GYR-6, GYB-4. Try these settings Nick and tell me how the picture looks.
post #70 of 157
Nick why would you mess with the settings that your ISF Calibrater set would'ent it defeat the point of having a pro do it? Did you not trust him?
post #71 of 157
I only messed with the color settings cause i didn't like the yellow tint of 6500k even though thats how calibrators set it, I left the grayscale and geometry settings, I just prefer 9300k over 6500k. Matt's settings work great for color.
post #72 of 157
Yup, my settings are more pleasing to the eye, it may not be 100% accurate but at least it looks close without the tinges of yellow or red i hate that, i go more for a neutral perfect white than a colored white.
post #73 of 157
Matt - I had an ISF about a month ago. The calibrator set the color decoding at 13-15-5-3 respectively.

Since ISF, I needed to make a couple changes, since the image wasn't pleasing to my eyes. I have a 57" Sony RP so everything has to be correct for the image not to hurt your eyes.

Since ISF, I needed to change SYSM from 3 to 2, since 3 makes the image too soft, and harder to focus on. I also changed the color decoding a couple ticks to 15-15-5-3. This was much easier to look at. I'm not sure why changing RYR up to 15 from 13 made the image easier to see, but it did.

I tried your setting Matt, of 14-14-6-4. I don't have the clibration equipment for coloring, but this looks absolutely dead on. When i say dead-on, it matches the exact coloring that i see on a movie screen. (i'm just talking the settings for the component input on my tv right now). I tried a few movies out with this setting, and it looks perfect. Even "KenTech" confirmed this setting for color decoding worked the best for 480p on one of his posts.

Unfortunately I can't keep it like this, since something about it makes the image harder on the eyes, which could be because it doesn't "match" or compliment the rest of the ISF settings. I still don't understand the interactions of the cut/drv's with the color decoding vlues. This is because I see some drastically different settings with people's color decoding.

I still wonder why changing color decoding values have such an effect on how your eyes view the image. I have a VERY keen eye for colors, and notice the distinction of colors in films But the settings of 14-14-6-4 for 480P content looks as close as i have ever seen it.

As for "reddish faces" - for dvd material, there is actually supposed to be some reddish tone to faces. If you watch film material, there is a notceable amount of reds in flesh coloring. Check out this trailer for Da Vinci Code - http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/thedavincicodeqt.html

If your computers colors are set right (which usually they are) you will see that this trailer is a great example of how colors are supposed to look on film/dvd material.

I have my color decoding on 15-15-5-3, which is all my eyes can really handle, but hopefully i can change that to what Matt and Ken had come up with (which looks the closest to film material as i have seen it get).
post #74 of 157
Napolean, the trick is to turn your color down a little bit as well, you can't expect to get good color with it in the middle.

I have my color setting at 4 clicks from the middle setting which would be 27.

For 480p using RYR-GYB of 14,14,6,4 i find it quite the opposite in that it looks dead on with 480i but with 480p it's a little different but still the same and looks pretty dead on.It's almost as if 480p desaturates the color?
post #75 of 157
Matt,

I had my set calibrated in order that the user menu offsets perfectly match the appropriate color. The offsets for Pro are all right in the middle (for Pro, that happens to be 32 as opposed to 31). Most calibrators - instead of changing the actual user settings - set the appropriate colors and brightness in the Service Menu. This means that if anyone fiddles with the user settings, you will always know how to get back to them. In this case, he calibrated 480P so that the default user settings (middle) linked with appropriate settings in the service menu.

In this case, i'm not sure lowering color is appropriate. My guess, is it would deviate from the calibrators balance of colors. Doesn't this sound right?

The only subjective setting is "contrast/picture."
post #76 of 157
True, i guess if it's done in service mode then it's not neccessary.
post #77 of 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon D
Since ISF, I needed to change SYSM from 3 to 2, since 3 makes the image too soft, and harder to focus on. I also changed the color decoding a couple ticks to 15-15-5-3. This was much easier to look at. I'm not sure why changing RYR up to 15 from 13 made the image easier to see, but it did.
Like you at first, I didn't like the look of SYSM at 3. But It also depends on the DVD players PQ imo. With my samsung DVD player, image look too soft, Since I have the Oppo, SYSM is at 3 and I'm not changing it, I also agree that if the colors are right, the picture will be sharper.
I've tried nick settings and while the TV and videogames & movies looked quite good with my Samsung DVD player, with the oppo, the faces where almost reddish and the green push was noticable and annoying while watching Peter Jackson's King Kong.
post #78 of 157
What's your GYR-GYB settings? mine are at 6 and 4 and there is no push it's perfectly balanced.
post #79 of 157
Max - I have heard from others that the Oppo produces a red push which you have to eliminate in the SM.

Also, how do you have King Kong on dvd already, it comes out next Tuesday. Did you get someone to push a street date? Just curious.

I'm skeptical Nick's settings will work on every display, which makes sense. Aren't colors going to be based differently in the SM for every tv, since each color gun is focused slightly different? I have a RP CRT so i'm not quite sure his settings would work with mine. I've heard on many occasions - that if i were to take someone's settings with my same display, that the picture will still be different (mostly due to colors/CRT/focus reasons). Am I wrong about this? If this is not the case, I wonder why I don't see more complete postings of service menu settings for individual displays. That would solve a lot of problems.

Nick - what are your MIDE column settings? You say that MIDE is 20, but that value refers to the MIDE column of 16 values, which could be different.

It was cool of you to post those values for everyone.
post #80 of 157
Mine are 14-14-6 & 4, like yours. I just tested nicks settings because I have the same set but his RCUTS, BCUTS...where too high too my eyes, mine are almost like factory setting. So no red push.

My friend owns a rental DVD store, so yes, he get's them earlier, I've never asked where and how though, He had King Kong for more than a week, Narnia, FFVII Advent Children also, originals (didn't like Narnia much though)
post #81 of 157
As your aware my set was ISF Calibrated as well, Ive sense done all KenTech's tweaks with help from surfingmatt also and KenTechs settings will obviously work better then any ISF calibrators settings imho sense kentech has spent tons of time on it and he has even made a tweak so you can use SYSM at 3 with greater results then SYSM at 2.

Just remember that what looks good to an ISF calibrator may not look good to you, They only have a few hours to calibrate your tv while you have as long as needed and the ISF calibrator that did mine is considered one of the best in the business so its not that it was a poor calibration.

My black levels were set correctly to the standerds but i like brighter blacks to show more detail like Kentechs settings. Also keep in mind that the DRV settings and CUT settings will make a diffrence in how your color balance is especially with the DRV settings so you will need to adjust them also and not just the main color controls.
post #82 of 157
I think your settings which are ISF calibrated are excellent except (for me) your RYR-GYB and the RCUT mainly. I hope I didn't say anything to offend you, it wasn't my intention if I did.
post #83 of 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon D
...Unfortunately I can't keep it like this, since something about it makes the image harder on the eyes, which could be because it doesn't "match" or compliment the rest of the ISF settings. I still don't understand the interactions of the cut/drv's with the color decoding vlues. This is because I see some drastically different settings with people's color decoding....
Napoleon D,

I suffer from migraines. As it turns out my eyes are unable to handle "perfect" sharpness or clarity. It's hard to describe, as most folks want things perfect. When I go to the optometrist, I have to get a lens that's dialed one setting back from perfect, because perfect hurts my eyes.

Even if you don't have the same thing, do you find it hard to spend any length of time watching "perfect" sharpness with your RP set?
post #84 of 157
No you didn't offend me at all MaxDam :) i didn't like most of those settings as well and pretty much all of mine are set like KenTechs now. Here are my settings optimized for the best detail in HD and well balanced color:

Every slider in the usermenu is set to the middle with neutral color and on pro mode.

To calibrate color alone do all of these besides SBRT but i recommend doing all settings.

SBRT 29
RYR 14
RYB 14
GYR 6
GYB 4
RDRV 30
GDRV 28 <---DRV's Updated
BDRV 23
RCUT 43
GCUT 24
BCUT 22
WBSM 0
RDOF 30
GDOF 31
BDOF 32
RCOF 30
GCOF 31
BCOF 32


2170P-3
0 - 25

3
0
0
3
0
6
3
1
3
0
0
1
0
3 (UBOF for HD, Will vary with each input)
0
0
61
0
6
4
2
5
5
5
5
5

Visit the Service menu thread to understand more about the tweaks.
post #85 of 157
Justsc: Are you sure you just don't have your contrast set to high? I get bad headachs when my contrast is set to high and i even get motion sickness while playing videogames if its set to high. Also you want to make sure there is enough light in the room.
post #86 of 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick2003
Justsc: Are you sure you just don't have your contrast set to high? I get bad headachs when my contrast is set to high and i even get motion sickness while playing videogames if its set to high. Also you want to make sure there is enough light in the room.
I do suffer more when contrast is set too high.

I have contrast dialed in well now after using both Avia and DVE. I am using one of the IdeaLume 6500 lights behind my set. It really helps, even helps with picture quality.

Thanks for asking. ;)
post #87 of 157
Where do you purchase one of those IdeaLume 6500 lights Justsc? I think i could use one :)
post #88 of 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick2003
Where do you purchase one of those IdeaLume 6500 lights Justsc? I think i could use one :)
nick2003,

I got mine from this site:

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm


I purchased the Standard model for $44.
post #89 of 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxDam77
with the oppo, the faces where almost reddish and the green push was noticable and annoying while watching Peter Jackson's King Kong.
Forgot to mention the green push you speak of is what a 6500k display is supposed to look like, Reason being is 9300k (same as most computer displays) is pretty much the cleanest whites but with 9300k there is a blue and red push, What 6500k does is take the blue push down and then the red push but leaves the green push, 6500k is used because its supposed to recreate the effect of sunlight and so the display is easier on the eyes. Now looking at your display you may think that there is no green push but raise the BDRV (think thats the correct one) and you will notice it gets whiter and whiter but the result when it is set completly white is a white level that literally kills your eyes its so bright.
post #90 of 157
Thanks Justsc, Where abouts did you mount it? Also, Do you need any other lights on in the room with that on?
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