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post #61 of 1075
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
Are you ever going to get over your MSRP price difference rant? Everyone is fully aware that the price difference isn't anywhere near 2K.

It's 2006, get some new ammunition.
OK... how about the fact that the 600U series PDPs will debut with an MSRP that is approximately 25% less than what the 500Us were last year. ;)
post #62 of 1075
The px50 never had a pc input to begin with, so it wasn't exactly "stripped".

Anyways, I think what they did with the features for the PX60 was perfect. Add an extra HDMI input and drop CableCard.

I would never forgo the awesome functionality of the HD DVR for a CableCard, and everyone I know who is getting an HDTV is getting an HD DVR box, even though they all have a CableCard slot.

And the 2 HDMI inputs is good: one for the HD DVR and one for the DVD player.
post #63 of 1075
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Originally Posted by jrock65
I would never forgo the awesome functionality of the HD DVR for a CableCard, and everyone I know who is getting an HDTV is getting an HD DVR box.
This is sad but true... many of us who "prefer" to use a CableCARD also rent an STB-DVR because there is no open market alternative.
post #64 of 1075
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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil
it doesnt make any sense for the 05 models to have cablecard and fr the 06 models to NOT have it. this ROYALLY sux. i LOVED the fact that you dont need a box, which takes some quality away.

a small chance is that cnet might be wrong in saying that they wont have cablecard. ill have to wait and see what the official Panny page says though.

if they were both the same price would you get the 50u with cable card or the 60u without. i guess we have to wait for some reviews if the PQ added colors and cosmetics are worth it.

how much quality do you lose by using a box then using cable card? of course it depends on the box...

really pissed off...
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
I think this is a job for optivity...the CC expert.
Not an "expert" but... if you want a DCR TV (I'm thinking 65" 1080p that supports OCAP 2.0) just buy a 600U instead.
post #65 of 1075
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
Are you ever going to get over your MSRP price difference rant? Everyone is fully aware that the price difference isn't anywhere near 2K.

It's 2006, get some new ammunition.
It's a 2K difference at the B&M stores where I live!
post #66 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
OK... how about the fact that the 600U series PDPs will debut with an MSRP that is approximately 25% less than what the 500Us were last year. ;)
Since when does anyone look at year over year intro prices? The difference is $300.00 less than current prices.
post #67 of 1075
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Originally Posted by housecor
FWIW - I'm a PX500 owner and my TV-guide works great via TWC. While it's annoying that it doesn't order channels, it's still very useful since you can hit the info button and see show title and information while using the cablecard, and you can punch in a channel number to scan through the list, so even though it's not sorted, it's easily navigated. While I agree it needs some tweaking to rival my DVR's EPG, I've had no breakdowns in my listing updates, so it's certainly of value to me.
It works fine for me as well. The only real criticism is that it is very slow work to get the channels in an order that makes any sense. I don't know why they aren't listed in numerical order by default.
post #68 of 1075
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Originally Posted by housecor
FWIW - I'm a PX500 owner and my TV-guide works great via TWC. While it's annoying that it doesn't order channels, it's still very useful since you can hit the info button and see show title and information while using the cablecard, and you can punch in a channel number to scan through the list, so even though it's not sorted, it's easily navigated. While I agree it needs some tweaking to rival my DVR's EPG, I've had no breakdowns in my listing updates, so it's certainly of value to me.
housecor, did you have to do anything special to get your guide to work correctly? I live in the same area as you, and also have TWC. The guide worked OK for me for a while, but now I get "No listing" for every channel, and can't seem to get it corrected.
post #69 of 1075
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
Since when does anyone look at year over year intro prices? The difference is $300.00 less than current prices.
whenever manufacturers release a new product the MSRP will be at a premium. Time and competition serve to erode the initial price offering. Those of us who have purchased numerous computers and home entertainment equipment over the years... understand the initial price will drop during the course of time and "always" compare the current model to those past (e.g. comparison of the 600U to 500U) in terms of price & performance.

The TH-50PX50U during the Spring of 05' had an MSRP of $4999.95, while the yet to be released TH50PX600U (which includes additional features like PC input and EPG) is already priced at $4199.95. More features for 15% less... in addition the street price by the end of 06' should be lower.

Astute buyers pay attention to these things...
post #70 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
Perhaps you're a "novice" in the field of HIGH technology... but whenever manufacturers release a new product the MSRP will be at a premium. Time and competition serve to erode the initial price offering. Those of us who have purchased numerous computers and home entertainment equipment over the years... understand the initial price will drop during the course of time and "always" compare the current model to those past (e.g. comparison of the 600U to 500U) in terms of price & performance.

The TH-50PX50U during the Spring of 05' had an MSRP of $4999.95, while the yet to be released TH50PX600U (which includes additional features like PC input and EPG) is already priced at $4199.95. More features for 15% less... in addition the street price by the end of 06' should be lower.

Astute buyers pay attention to these things...

REAL world corporate marketing does not market year over year intro prices. Joe six pack will not care about that either. BOTH look at the difference in price of the CURRENT MSRP price of the CURRENT item/product/service etc compared to its successor.
post #71 of 1075
You have your opinion and I have mine... it seems the "common practice" in this Forum is to talk about current and "prior" year models in terms of price, features, capabilities and performance.

You're right about "Joe six-pack" who probably doesn't do a lot of research before making a purchase decision beyond deciding if he is willing to cough up the 4 grand for a plasma TV... but "Joe six-pack" is not a "typical" AVSF participant.
post #72 of 1075
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Originally Posted by fcsmith
housecor, did you have to do anything special to get your guide to work correctly? I live in the same area as you, and also have TWC. The guide worked OK for me for a while, but now I get "No listing" for every channel, and can't seem to get it corrected.
Nope, nothing special. Perhaps your set lost power and your TV-guide setup settings were lost? You might want to pull the power, wait a few minutes, make sure it's still configured for your zip/provider, and wait the usual 24 hours.
post #73 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
You have your opinion and I have mine... it seems the "common practice" in this Forum is to talk about current and "prior" year models in terms of price, features, capabilities and performance.
The PX50/500 series is still CURRENT models as the 60/600 series has NOT been released. So the discussion is about CURRENT PX50/500 series vs the UP AND COMING PX60/600 series.
post #74 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
This is sad but true... many of us who "prefer" to use a CableCARD also rent an STB-DVR because there is no open market alternative.
ATI will be releasing a CableCard card for MCE/Vista later this year
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662
post #75 of 1075
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
The PX50/500 series is still CURRENT models as the 60/600 series has NOT been released. So the discussion is about CURRENT PX50/500 series vs the UP AND COMING PX60/600 series.
Is Panasonic making any more PX50/500U series PDPs?... most people report they can't buy one even if they want to... The "good news" is by March-April-May time frame... PX60/600Us will be available and during the next two-three months... "astute" buyers will research these up and coming PDPs so they can make an informed purchase decision... who knows??? maybe they will buy a Pioneer instead? :)
post #76 of 1075
I guess I'll be waiting now to buy my TV. I have a new TV to eye up now, the 42-PX600u. Bring on the employee discount. :)
post #77 of 1075
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Originally Posted by golem
ATI will be releasing a CableCard card for MCE/Vista later this year
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662
All of these "toys" sound nice but there are so many "what ifs" that no-one can count on them working as advertised... for example:

Chris Lanier's Blog
post #78 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
Is Panasonic making any more PX50/500U series PDPs?... most people report they can't buy one even if they want to... The "good news" is by March-April-May time frame... PX60/600Us will be available and during the next two-three months... "astute" buyers will research these up and coming PDPs so they can make an informed purchase decision... who knows??? maybe they will buy a Pioneer instead? :)
They are plentiful in my area. What's up with the Pioneer statement? When did they become apart of this thread? Optivity, it's clear you don't like me...and I could give 2 XXXXX. You continued harassment truly brings out your mentality.

Let go of my left one so that others can have a ride....geez.
post #79 of 1075
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Originally Posted by flyjar
I guess I'll be waiting now to buy my TV. I have a new TV to eye up now, the 42-PX600u. Bring on the employee discount. :)
I feel ya. I'm contemplating purchasing a 37" due to the current state of my Sharp 37G4U.
post #80 of 1075
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Originally Posted by D-Nice
They are plentiful in my area. What's up with the Pioneer statement? When did they become apart of this thread? Optivity, it's clear you don't like me...and I could give 2 shits. You continued harassment truly brings out your mentality.

Let go of my left one so that others can have a ride....geez.
This is the:

Panasonic announces PX600, PX60 models + 1080p 65" thread...

so I guess we're both wrong...
post #81 of 1075
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Originally Posted by torch
I think I saw some information from panasonic stating that the 4096 only applies to the grey-scale, but the info was buried deep into the literature.
I am no expert but I too am also amazed at how some of our more knowledgable posters are buying into the 10000:1 "Maximum" contrast ratio. I do believe panasonic has improved the real-world contrast ratio but not to 10000:1.
Believing specs from manufacturers is almost always a fallacy, unless it's something readily provable (like resolution) or something easily tested or consistently tested (like....uh, almost nothing). Even the supposed "accurate measures" from companies like Sharp on screen contrast are usually high. As always, the eyes should make the final decision as to what is good enough and what isn't.
post #82 of 1075
Actually it appears you've turned this thread into the "D-Nice/optivity airing of personal grievances" thread. Can you please just PM one another and get this thread back on track.
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post #84 of 1075
hmm i like the way the 05s look better as the black bezel is larger but o wells... i prob just will wait for the 50u
post #85 of 1075
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Originally Posted by optivity
This is sad but true... many of us who "prefer" to use a CableCARD also rent an STB-DVR because there is no open market alternative.
Apparently ATI just demoed a product that uses a HD tuner that accepts a cable card and streams to windows Vista. If you are the type that wants to spearhead HTPC, that's an option come christmas '06.... =)

ATI's new toy

darn, scooped by golem! =P
post #86 of 1075
I'd have to say I'm pretty disappointed in this announcement. It doesn't seem like much of an advance at all. Given other manufacturers announcing 1080p sets in the 50" range and this lineup does not have that, nor Cable Card 2.0 and HDMI 1.3 support... I guess that means I get to enjoy the 7UY for at least another year.

Here's to wondering what the commercial versions end up looking like this iteration.

Apparently if you want in on the bleeding edge with a panasonic, it's going to cost you bigtime (BD+65" 1080p). I guess that's par for the course anyway.
post #87 of 1075
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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Wow. The PX60s look very sleek. A big improvement over the 50 series. Kudos Panasonic.
post #88 of 1075
More silver?!? What up with that?!? Might look better in person, but on first glance I'm not impressed... I preferred the PX50s.

On the other hand, looks like the PD60's a little grayer than the silver PD50, which could be a bit of an improvement.
post #89 of 1075
Is there any difference in the look/bezel of the '05/'06 ED models?
post #90 of 1075
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Originally Posted by PerryU
More silver?!? What up with that?!? Might look better in person, but on first glance I'm not impressed... I preferred the PX50s.

On the other hand, looks like the PD60's a little grayer than the silver PD50, which could be a bit of an improvement.

Take another look at the 50PX600U picture (its actually a 50PX60U picture). You're right, looks like they changed the silver color...doesn't look as cheap. A live visual inspection is a must.
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