Originally Posted by Shag1077
Congratulations! You said your son owns/ed an HLN. What model was it? Also, and more improtantly, how does it compare to your current 6178? Im curious because I own the HLN 617W and would love to know how it compares.
Oooops! Thanks Irod!
I meant to write, how does it compare to the HL-S?
Thank you! Every set I've looked at for the last couple of years has been compared to my very positive impression about the HLN617W, most notably the Sony SXRD which I thought was close, but not surpassing the image quality of the HLN. I missed purchasing a 61" floor unit HLN under full warrantee for $2200 including a stand last Dec. by about a day. I believe that one was the HLN617WX. I still feel that yours and my son's sets represent the benchmark for comparison. My son likes my HLS, notices the deep blacks, but there are differences not necessarily favorable over the native 720p.
My son did spend the better part of his warrantee year working with Samsung to get the bugs he noticed out of his set. There were subtle reflections and artifacts appearing on his screen barely noticeable to me. Each time a service technician opened the set, he'd get a new bulb, but they wouldn't let him keep the old one. Eventually, though, the entire engine was replaced yielding terrific results. After seeing those results, the defects he had been complaining about were neither insignificant nor subtle after all. Samsung stood behind that set 100% without batting an eye.
Wobulation today, despite the astounding clarity I'm seeing with network broadcasts, appears to cause some artifacts in geometric movement not present in the native 720p chip. I'm not referring to the sparkling thing we've been discussing either; just some other oddities I've noticed in playing DVD's; things I can live with, but things not intended to be seen by the film's director. Before I ever bring these observations to post, I want to eliminate the DVD player as the cause. Incidentally, my son one evening showed me the images produced among three different DVD machines; one of which was an up converting player. The demonstration was amazing and scary in revealing what we don't know or what we think we don't see.
I've never been bothered by the screen door effect caused by the 720p chip because I sit far enough away to not notice it. Besides, when compared to plasma, the plasma looks more like a jail door, and people keep buying those because they're bothered by 17" of projector depth and the perception of poverty owning a DLP implies. The first wobulated 720p sets I saw were significantly inferior, in my opinion, to the HLN. I could see the comparative softness in program images, and when I viewed still images processed to 720 pixels loaded onto a VCD, the HLN's images were indeed superior to the wobulated images. Gone was the screen door AND the high definition. I don't know why Samsung so quickly abandoned an already perfect chip. Gone were the good old days.
T.I., on the other hand, used wobulation as an opportunity to reach a wider market by developing theoretically improved imaging capabilities for less cost over time at the expense of those who purchased those first wobulated sets without a chance to see a native 720p sitting next to a wobulator. If the screen door was their issue, then they would have to settle for the not-so-high-def diamonds. Only when arriving at the 1080 spec in the HLRxx78 did I see anything that gave me as favorable of an impression as the HLN.
l believe that it is inevitable wobulation will bow to a true 1080 chip with spectacular results. I just got tired of waiting and saving. If I owned an HLN, I wouldn't be very concerned about any comparisons to 1080 wobulation. I'm just happy that my set in its way now looks as good as yours, and for waiting three years I didn't have to shell out the $5500 they were asking when the HLN61 was introduced.