Samsung 2006 DLP HDTV Discussion --- HLSxxxxW Models - Page 122

Let us know how that Monster thingie works out for you...

Brian -
That's it. But there is always a problem. It is set up for business to business, and I don't have a resale number. Any other ideas?

Brian -
You should have a tracking number and company from TVA. If you are getting it from Pilot, they have an 800 number to call that will give you more info than, "In transit". Their tracking system was a bit slow, (I hope) it showed "awaiting pickup" for three days. I finally called TVA, and it showed "In transit" that evening. I called Pilot again, and they told me when it is due in their local terminal.

I got the call from TVA on a Tuesday, and I they told me it would ship on Friday. On Friday I got the tracking info via email for Pilot and their site showed waiting for pickup in New York at JFK over the weekend. Then it went to in transit and then they called me on Tuesday and wanted to deliver on Wednesday afternoon. I wasn't reeady for it and delayed it until Thursday afternoon, noon till 4. They showed up about 2, and brought it all the way inthe house, still in the box. SMooth as silk. I think they sent it to Dallas from NY via plane maybe?

Now if I could only get the extended warranty stuff from TVA! It was shipped supposedly the same day I bought the TV, on the Tuesday they called me, via USPS. About 10 days later I checked and they told me it would take up to a month to get it. Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling. How long should it take for Repairmaster to send me the info to register my TV with them????

That sounds like what I recall from previous years. There shouldn't be any reason to hurry.

I don't think you have to register for B2B, or even register at all. Add it to your cart and put in credit card info. I stopped short of actually entering payment info, so there might be a step afterward that requires registration.

Under my order status on the TVA website, it says "Shipped - Waiting For Tracking" plus mention of FedEx. I called and was told it was NOT shipped through FedEx, and that it should take 7 days (avg) to arrive, and that I will be called by the freight company a couple days in advance to arrange a time. Still waiting for a call... Guess if I will be contacted a few days in advance, I'm looking towards end of this week, I guess.

I received an email from Pilot Air Freight a few days after I received the call from TVA. I called with the tracking number and received much more accurate information.

Just called Pilot about an hour ago and found out that it was at the local site. She transferred me to the local site, and was able to setup delivery for tomorrow (10AM-2PM). I don't know how long I would have had to wait for them to call me, just glad I had decided to call.

My suggestion is to call for a tracking number if you don't have one, and then call the shipping company and check the status.

All of these sets are listed on the TVA Powerbuy site as being in the "5 Star Program".

Among the details that TVA lists for the 5 Star Program are the following:

* Guaranteed Delivery Window
Since product receiving our 5 star rating are partially selected for their availability, we decided to back it up. When you place your telephone order with TV Authority, you'll be given a delivery window for your purchase so you'll know exactly when it is arriving.

* Availability
All too often consumers are offered information about products that industry insiders refer to as "vaporware" (i.e. it sounds great, but never seems to be available). We understand a very simple concept; our customers want to purchase and use these products! It's great when a product wins awards and accolades within the industry but bottom line - if it is always on allocation or "in development", it will never receive our 5 Star Rating.

Here is the direct link to read more information on our 5 star program: http://www.tvauthority.com/5starprogram.asp

Tarheel72, I havent looked at your order..it can take about 3-6wks for the warranty card to arrive in the mail (via snail mail..)Please PM me if it has been beyond that time so I can inform our customer service about it (If you havent already).

The delivery window has been an improvement within our system (after feedback from previous powerbuys and other customers that were not AVS..). This is to make sure you have a better idea of when your TV is going to arrive to your location. Keep in mind the delivery companies can have a delay within their own system that is beyond our control sometimes(ie:weather, delay within their freight being accounted for, etc.). In the case that something like this might occur--contact us ASAP so we can check into it for you.

Feel free to PM me if you have any further concerns with your order. I'm in the sales dept. but can pass the concerns along to the customer service for you. We are always here to help you out the best way possible.

Sincerely,
Cambryn at TVA

i just got a hls4266w yesterday, and watching world cup this morning, i noticed a pretty bad rush push on the switzerland jerseys...i havent noticed it on anythign else besides there....i changed the color temp to cool2, bumped the RG sliders over to green more and it got rid of it but made the field way too green, is there a way to fix the red push?

Just got the call from Tweeter...I should have my HL-S5688 before lunch tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'll have to go back to work and won't be able to watch it until tomorrow night...haha. I'm still skeptical, with all the delays

Today (1 wk mark) I get an email from TVA with a tracking number for Pilot. I called them (Pilot), and they said they were picking the unit up from NY to ship out TODAY. I was told it was shipped out by TVA a week ago. So now I guess I need to wait another 3-5 days, even though I was told by TVA that it'd arrive this week. AAARGH, my brain is hurting. I didn't think it'd take this long to arrive.

I saw a HL-S6767w at Costco and I was wondering if anybody knows if this set has 10 bit processing or not? It does not say anything on the spec sheet about it. I noticed it is like the 87 series but they removed the wiselink. Anybody have any concrete info on this set?

EDIT: Definately has 10 bit processing. See umr's response two down.


AFAIK nobody has proven that it has 10 bit processing but there's evidence to support it. There's also a dedicated thread for this model that you might find helpful: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687275

An update for the HL-S7178 fans. Samsung says they are still on the boat from Korea. ETA is the first week of August.

That model has 10 bit processing. I have the service manual and it shows the same processing as the 87 and 88 series. The big negative on this set is the lack of iris control. My 88 would be too bright without it.

UMR

I'm interested in going larger this time with the HL-S7178, but have reservations that it doesn't have the lastest features/electronics of the 88. Does your service manual include this model and if so, how does it compare to the 88s.

A service manual for that display is not available yet. I would not get that model myself because it lacks the iris.

The electronics in these displays appears to be very similar. You should be able to look at the specification sheets and decide what features you value.

Is the Samsung Iris something you can set as part of a calibration? It sounds like it may be a different type than a dynamic iris that fluctuates depending on what is being displayed.

Hello all,

This past week my business partner David Abrams and I spent some time evaluating my Samsung HL-S5088W 50" DLP/RPTV. Our associated gear included a Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player updated to version 1.2 and fed into an iScan VP30 via HDMI and then back out to the display via HDMI. We also connected the HD-A1 directly into the TV via component cables (bypassing the VP30). Test patterns were supplied via a custom made HD-DVD test disc from JKP Labs as well as an Accupel HDG-3000 and Sencore VP-403 generators. Readings were taken by a Photo Research PR650 Spectroradiometer. Lastly, all testing was done in a darkened environment.

Off the bat, these displays cannot be approached in the same manner as prior Samsung DLPs because of major idiosyncrasies within the service menu. Dave and I spent the entire week having to come up with a new calibration method. However, our work paid off as it yielded a picture that was amongst the best that we've seen on any Samsung DLP/RPTV to date. That said, there wasn't a single aspect (brightness, contrast, color, tint, sharpness, gamma, primaries, secondaries, grayscale, focus, etc.) of this display that didn't need serious tweaking within the service menu before such a picture could be delivered.

Here are some of the key advantages over last year's HL-Rxx68/78 line.

1. Cabinet is now black which results in deeper blacks and an improved contrast ratio.
2. Cabinet is physically smaller due to the thinner bezel (good for tight installations).
3. Internal speakers sound slightly better.
4. DNIe and all its ill effects (floating black, excessive edge enhancement, horizontal banding) is once again defeatable within the user menu.
5. The LDL (light, dark, light) effect does not appear to be prevalent anymore.
6. In addition to 480p, 720p, and 1080i, the HDMI inputs will now accept 480i as well as 1080p (previous models only accepted 480p, 720p, and 1080i via the HDMI inputs).
7. There are individual memories for ALL scan rates via HDMI (previous models only had one memory per HDMI input).
8. Component inputs now pass PLUGE (below black).
9. The Movie mode (Cinema CCA within the service menu) now has 5 selectable grayscale memories (previous models were fixed to Warm 2).
10. Ring-focus is easier to get to (mine was way off).
11. The overscan adjustment in the service menu appears to stick even when switching inputs and powering off.
12. There is slightly more space on the back panel for easier connectivity.

Here are some drawbacks.

1. The lookup tables for the secondary (yellow, magenta, cyan) destination points within the CCA menu don't work as they should. However, we have found a way to correct this error so no worries.
2. While ring-focus is easier to get to, it is now a two person job - again not a big deal.
3. The bezel is much more involved to remove especially over the xx78 line making a Velux install difficult. On the other hand, the cabinet is already black so there probably wouldn't be a big benefit to lining it with Velux anyway.
4. The color decoder seems to be off with no real way to correct it as of yet. More testing will need to be conducted in regards to this.

Other than #4, I would say that Samsung definitely took a step forward with this line. The only other odd thing that we found was an inability to get the Toshiba HD-A1 to communicate directly via the HDMI input. The only way we were able to do so was to run it through the VP30.

Eliab
eliabisf@hotmail.com

The iris is normally dynamic, but in the service mode the position can be fixed. This set has very similar capability to Sony in the service mode which is very useful. To get the most out of any micro panel device you need to maximize the panel light output in its linear range. A variable lamp and/or iris allows you to do this while tuning the light output to match the environment. Without this most of these displays are too bright to look good.

SMPTE has light output recommendations for a reason. I find bright RPTVs enhance digital artifacts and SSE. They also have higher black levels which is an issue most people are aware of.

Thanks.

There were conversations earlier in the thread about how to handle the center channel speaker above the tv. I went with a Visionmount VMTVb . I was able to get it within 1/16" above the tv with lots of measurements and a level.

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Do you have any documentation on this?

The specification sheet does not show an iris. I assumed that is the primary differentiating feature between the 78 and the higher end 1080p models.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...7178_final.pdf

I guess it is possible it could have an iris and they are not advertising it, but I would be certain before I bought one.

Thanks Eliab.

Yesterday I saw the new BR Samsung DVD player connected to a HLS6187 through HDMI at 1080p@60fps. They were playing the BR transfer of "House of the Flying Daggers". The image was covered in "mosquito noise/dithering" that was only slightly helped by turning off DNIe, setting sharpness to zero, and selecting the movie mode.

If you report on the post calibration PQ of the HLSxx88 it would be interesting to know what you attribute this appearance to.

htwaits,

You're welcome.

I haven't had a chance yet to test drive the new BD-P1000 so it's difficult to say what could have been causing the mosquito noise/dithering that you're speaking of. What I can tell you is that on my 5088, contrast was WAY high regardless of what mode I put it in. I believe that I measured something like 160 fl @ 100 IRE within Movie mode prior to calibrating! Black level too was way high. Obviously, this would magnify any inherent artifacts although it probably wouldn't eliminate what you witnessed.

Hopefully, I can have a more solid answer for you soon..

Eliab

Hello!

I'm an HP 6580N owner and I'm getting rid of my set because of the amount of noise from the light engine, and to a lesser extent, the fans.

Could owners of the HLS Samsung models who have their set in a REALLY quiet room please let me know how much noise the set makes? Can you hear some noise from 10-15 feet away in a quiet room?

Also, I've recently noticed that the dynamic iris operation on my HP bothers me because it's noticeable -- it takes it a second sometimes to settle on the brightness that it wants. In a scene that cuts back and forth between lightish and darkish shots, this is very annoying.

Have you noticed the iris brightening/darkening on your Samsung?

Is there a way to defeat the dynamic iris on your sets and if so, how good is the black level then?

Thanks very much!

-Casey

i cannot wait till the day when i can either trade in (or keep for another room) my sammy 5063 and upgrade to a 70" samsung hd4 nonwobulated 1080p for about 1500$. its a couple years off, but that time will certainly come soon enough.

70" 1080P running my current htpc would make me nut, especially considerng the hardware and software that will be around in 2-3 years. and by then, 1080p media should be readily available. i migh have to do the calculations, but i thin 70" 1080p at 10 feet would be pretty easy to read. maybe have to wait for the 80" lol