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post #4111 of 4534
I just picked up the HLS4266W yesterday. I came home from work to play around with it. I can't access the Picture Mode options. I could yesterday. I go to Picture > Mode then I can't go any farther. The shortcut key on the remote cycles the modes. The TV is receiving the signal that I want to enter that menu, but it won't pop up. Has anyone had this problem?

Thanks for any help!
post #4112 of 4534
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Originally Posted by RichSheikh View Post

I can use a little help here. We bought a Sammy DLP HL-S4266W 32 days ago. The TV was great but we decided on the 30th day to trade it up to the HL-S4666W because we wanted a larger screen. While we had the S4266W we tried the DNLE feature but didn't like the way it looked so we kept it off. Today out new HL-S4666w came and BB took away the S4266w. First of all, when the S4666W was turned on we could smell something in the room. Almost like a burned kind of smell. The TV itself works great although I did notice some differences from the S4266w.
First, the blacks are blacker. Also, I turned on the DNLE to see how it looked on this model and noticed that the picture actually looks better with the DNLE on. I really noticed the difference when playing a DVD movie via HDMI. So now I'm confused. Almost all the postings I've seen here say not to use DNLE and I'm confused as to why?
Would someone please clear this up for me. What exactly is the advantage and disadvantages of turning on the DNLE feature and under what conditions should it be used or not be used?
Also, about that smell. Is it normal when the TV is turned on for the first time?

By the way, I'm sItting 7 feet from this 46 inc. TV. Is that OK because I don't want to get eye strain?

Thank you, Rich

About your burning smell...there are some posts over on the owner's forum relating to this. If memory serves, someone noticed it in conjuction with some "clicking and popping" noises. The general consensus was that it wasn't a normal thing and I think he ended up trading in the smelly one for a new set.
post #4113 of 4534
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

About your burning smell...there are some posts over on the owner's forum relating to this. If memory serves, someone noticed it in conjuction with some "clicking and popping" noises. The general consensus was that it wasn't a normal thing and I think he ended up trading in the smelly one for a new set.

As you intimated, there was only one case of "clicking and popping" noises along with a burning smell. Most of us that are experiencing the "popping" sounds have no other "symptoms" and we are cautiously optimistic that it isn't a serious issue.
post #4114 of 4534
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

As you intimated, there was only one case of "clicking and popping" noises along with a burning smell. Most of us that are experiencing the "popping" sounds have no other "symptoms" and we are cautiously optimistic that it isn't a serious issue.

Clicking/popping fix:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8126920

Listing in the HLS Tech Link, too:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...97#post7975797

Doc
post #4115 of 4534
All,

My clicks and pops seem to now be fixed.

I called Samsung support on Monday, they dispatched to a local service shop on Tuesday, and a replacement main printed circuit board was installed by the local service shop in my TV today. I let my TV run for about an hour and not a pop to be heard.

If any of you are experiencing the popping sound which comes from the speakers (not the expansion of the case), then I'd recommend you also call support and get a replacement board installed.

-BL
post #4116 of 4534
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Originally Posted by docrings View Post

Clicking/popping fix:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8126920

Listing in the HLS Tech Link, too:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...97#post7975797

Doc

Thanks!
post #4117 of 4534
When and where is this tv available for purchase?




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Originally Posted by benshapiro View Post

Press Release

"SAMSUNG'S New Slim DLP Provides A Thinner Solution For The Rear Projection TV Category

Light, Slender Design Delivers Advantages And Clarity
of a Flat Panel Set in a Nicely-Priced DLP Package

New York, NY - Samsung Electronics has raised the bar in delivering the most quality for the consumer dollar with its new 46" Slim DLP 720p model. Featuring a cabinet only 10.6 inches deep and weighing less than 50 pounds, this innovative DLP offers consumers added versatility and convenience in their home. Thanks to its slim cabinet, the TV can be easily placed in an armoire or shelf mount with a width opening dimension of under 42". In addition, the vibrant color display, crisp resolution, enhanced features and affordable pricing make this set a new and exciting innovation in the Samsung 2006 DLP line.

"Consumers put a premium on superior image quality and sleek design, and Samsung delivers just that in our Slim DLP model," said Dan Schinasi, Senior Marketing Manager for Projection TV for Samsung Electronics America. "We offer our customers the high resolution, large screen sizes and clean, modern styling they are looking for, as well as easy connections with game consoles, cameras and other digital technologies at a price that maximizes value."

Samsung's breakthrough HLS4676S 46" Slim DLP-720p offers 1280 x 720p HD resolution and SRS TruSurround XT sound system that recreates the theatre experience at home. The built-in HDTV tuner (ATSC) lets users access digital broadcasts while enjoying digital sound and picture from the dual HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) connections, which also connects with other digital devices, such as DVD players, creating an optimal sound and picture experience.

Gamers will become totally immersed in the optimized Game Mode, which delivers graphic optimization, dark area enhancements, increased response time, and improved sound capacity for the latest video games on the market. Connect your digital camera and other storage devices through a USB 1.1 to easily display your digital photos in crystal clear resolution on screen. And a PC-input provides an easy connection to a notebook or computer.

The 46" HLS4676S Slim DLP-720p is available for $1,999 MSRP."
post #4118 of 4534
I just got a 4666W last night as a replacement for a 32" LCD that had a bad LCD pannel. The thing wasn't on for 15 minutes when red dots appeared in all the dark areas of the picture (Darth Vader).

So I go to Samsung's website and go through the troubleshooter to find this.

And I quote: "If you are seeing red dots in the dark background images on your DLP TV screen, you need to get your TV serviced. To arrange a service appointment, call Samsung Customer Care at 1-800-Samsung (1-800-726-7864). Have your TV's model number and serial number on hand when you call."

Of course no one at Samsung has heard of this problem and there are no parts available so they are sending me another one which I will have to wait three weeks for.

The sad thing is I can tell the TV is awesome if it just worked, I am having the worst luck with Samsung, at least they make good on their warranty even if it takes for-freaking-ever.
post #4119 of 4534
Which screws on the case to slightly loosen? Don't want to cause the screen to shift or something inside to move..
post #4120 of 4534
I'm trying to find a new set for my parents - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=706774 - and am thinking either a flat panel set (like a Panny EDTV) or a DLP set. The Samsung DLPs are obviously better priced for the most part (looking at 42-46", 720p/1080i), and the cabinet size difference between the two is a non-factor.

From all I've read, the Samsungs seem like they'd be basically in line with the entry-level Panny plasmas? Rainbow effect and artifacts aren't really a problem anymore, are they?

I really want something for my parents that will be reliable and they won't have to worry about something going wrong with. Aside from bulb replacement (what IS the average? I hear way too many different numbers.), what possible problems could/should one expect?

For $1300-1500, these seem like the best bang for your buck. The main questions for me are reliability and bulb life (I don't want them to have to be replacing the bulb every year or whatever).

Thanks a lot for any help.
post #4121 of 4534
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Originally Posted by aktick View Post

...snip...

Rainbow effect and artifacts aren't really a problem anymore, are they?


aktick,
Regarding the rainbow effects, although they're improved, they're not gone and if you are one who sees them, they can be extremely bothersome.
post #4122 of 4534
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

aktick,
Regarding the rainbow effects, although they're improved, they're not gone and if you are one who sees them, they can be extremely bothersome.

There is no utopia in the television world, is there?
post #4123 of 4534
Question for Samsung DLP owners...

Do you use or not use Sharpen setting and if so where are you setting it?

Pro's and con's when using this setting?

I know some here recommend turning the Sharpen setting to zero but it seems to me that the picture will look better with some type of sharpening. What are your opinions?

Rich
post #4124 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichSheikh View Post

Question for Samsung DLP owners...

Do you use or not use Sharpen setting and if so where are you setting it?

Pro's and con's when using this setting?

I know some here recommend turning the Sharpen setting to zero but it seems to me that the picture will look better with some type of sharpening. What are your opinions?

Rich

Hi Rich,

I am unable to see any effect from the Sharpen option. Going from 0 to 100 with the THX sharpen pattern does absolutely nothing. My Oppo 790HD has a sharpen function also and when activated there is a very noticeable difference.

So color me confused as to its application...
post #4125 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichSheikh View Post

Question for Samsung DLP owners...

Do you use or not use Sharpen setting and if so where are you setting it?

Pro's and con's when using this setting?

I know some here recommend turning the Sharpen setting to zero but it seems to me that the picture will look better with some type of sharpening. What are your opinions?

Rich

I thought this couldn't possibly improve my picture. Lived with sharpness used on all my TV's in the past if it was available. Had no faith at all that it would improve the picture. Imagined it would be worse. What a shock to see the improvement when I turned sharpness to 0 on my HL-S5088. Don't miss a thing. As a matter of fact, the picture is better but I'm not an expert and can't really define why. I can say that when viewing HD sports events before there was a small but noticeable halo or glow around spectators or other objects that was a distraction. That glow is gone now and the sports events are much more lifelike.
post #4126 of 4534
On a modern television there should not even be a sharpness control. All this does is add false edges to objects, and destroy fine detail.
post #4127 of 4534
I agree. Sharpness should be zero. It dates back to before there were comb filters.

This is what i was told, and please correct me if i'm wrong.

Sharpness was set before combfilters to fix the picture. Once comb filters came out the sharpness feature began to muddy up the picture.

The story i heard is that different tv engineers wanted the sharpness feature to be removed, but the sales guys wanted it to stay there because they said if another tv company had the sharpness feature and they didn't then people would buy the one with the sharpness feature despite the fact it messes up the picture. So here we are, 2006, and still have sharpness.

Curious to know if that story is true or myth, but it's interesting at least.

As an aside, DNR and DNIE should always be off in my opinion as well.
post #4128 of 4534
Here are the decoded discrete input codes that can be used with an JP1 remote that I sourced from a Phillips Pronto CCF file. I have also attached the CCF file for those that can use that format.

Code:
Protocol\tDevice\tSubDev\tOBC\tEFC\tMisc\tDecode\tUDB\tFunction\tSequence\tKey\tPanel\tDevName\tTopFreq\tOnce\tRept
NECx2\t7\t7\t139\t067\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tHDMI 1\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t105\t073\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tPC\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t132\t188\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tAV1\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t152\t253\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tOff\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t153\t001\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tOn\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t236\t076\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tav3\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t233\t081\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\thdmi2\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t133\t192\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tsvid1\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t237\t080\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tsvid2\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t134\t190\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tcomp1\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t27\t251\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tTV\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t136\t061\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tcomp2\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
NECx2\t7\t7\t235\t083\t\t\t0.FFFF.0\t\t\tav2\tDiscrete Inputs\tSamsung HL-S6187W \t\t38.0289\t0\t34
You can purchase an JP1 upgraded remote with a PC cable starting at around $40.00 shipped: http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=413 If you already have a learning remote you're using without advanced programming simply use the JP1 remote once programmed with the codes to teach the codes to your remote. You can even resell the JP1 on eBay if you're really cheap.

Here is more information on JP1:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1009

 

sam-tv-hls6187w.zip 6.33203125k . file
post #4129 of 4534
Pulled the trigger and got one.
Question: When watching 4:3 aspect the screen is slightly concave. Is this normal, defect, can be fix with adjustments?

Thanks so much
post #4130 of 4534
Quote:


Question: When watching 4:3 aspect the screen is slightly concave. Is this normal, defect, can be fix with adjustments?

Pretty typical, and I THINK it can be made better with some calibration. I'll leave it to the experts to provide details.
post #4131 of 4534
Quote:


When watching 4:3 aspect the screen is slightly concave. Is this normal, defect, can be fix with adjustments?

Normal. All shallow cabinet RPTVs have some degree of geometric distortion. The screen is not really concave but the image is warped. This is due to the short throw distance of the optical path inside the cabinet. Fixed pixel displays don't have the ability to bend (deflect) an electron scanning gun's beam like CRT RPTVs do.

The market has spoken. The masses want flat, shallow TVs, now that they've seen plasmas and LCDs. There is no perfect TV. Geometric distortion is one of the "features" not included on your TVs listing of performance characteristics.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
G. Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
post #4132 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by nani76 View Post

Pulled the trigger and got one.
Question: When watching 4:3 aspect the screen is slightly concave. Is this normal, defect, can be fix with adjustments?

Thanks so much

Yeah, how about that?

I don't know if it has to do with a short projection distances due to a thin cabinet design or what the cause, but its apparantly not fixable.

...and no, its not on all microdisplays.
post #4133 of 4534
I bought an HL-S5088w a week or so ago from Tweeter. I've been thinking I might want to trade up to the 5688. CC doesn't carry it and neither does BB. At least neither lists it nor have I seen any in those stores. A search of Tweeter's web site only turns up the HL-R5688.

Did they only make 10 of these televisions, make a few and discontinue them in favor of the 61? I'm going to Tweeter tomorrow and get the info straight from them. I just find it odd that the only place I seem to see these is online. What's the deal?

Thanks!
post #4134 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Feralhog View Post

I bought an HL-S5088w a week or so ago from Tweeter. I've been thinking I might want to trade up to the 5688. CC doesn't carry it and neither does BB. At least neither lists it nor have I seen any in those stores. A search of Tweeter's web site only turns up the HL-R5688.

Did they only make 10 of these televisions, make a few and discontinue them in favor of the 61? I'm going to Tweeter tomorrow and get the info straight from them. I just find it odd that the only place I seem to see these is online. What's the deal?

Thanks!

Brandsmart in Atlanta (Doraville) had a 5688 on the floor tonight.

Salesperson said the main differences with the 5687 were that 5688 has PIP and TV Guide. Video and audio alleged to be identical.

What is the straight story on what 5688 has that 5687 does not (other than a higher price tag)?
post #4135 of 4534
TV Guide
QAM tuner
PIP
Firewire
Cable card slot


I believe those are the differences between the 87s and 88s......I may be wrong.....

Edited: Because I WAS wrong....
post #4136 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feralhog View Post

TV Guide
QAM tuner
PIP
RS-232 connector
Firewire
USB port

I believe those are the differences between the 87s and 88s......I may be wrong.....

I think the USB port(s) comes on both the 87/88 series.
post #4137 of 4534
I posted this question in the owner's thead and got no answer...so let me try it here.

When the 87/88 sets first came out...there were reports of video noise and I saw it too at CC. The last week or so...visiting BB, CC and Brandsmart, I don't see the noise anymore...at least not very visibly.

Does anyone know why? what caused the noise in the earler sets? can you still get that noise or is it just adjustments needed done to the sets?
post #4138 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

I posted this question in the owner's thead and got no answer...so let me try it here.

When the 87/88 sets first came out...there were reports of video noise and I saw it too at CC. The last week or so...visiting BB, CC and Brandsmart, I don't see the noise anymore...at least not very visibly.

Does anyone know why? what caused the noise in the earler sets? can you still get that noise or is it just adjustments needed done to the sets?

What ever the reason, it's not "adjustments" made by BB and CC.

I don't know about Brandsmart, but I doubt it.
post #4139 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feralhog View Post

TV Guide
QAM tuner
PIP
RS-232 connector
Firewire
USB port

I believe those are the differences between the 87s and 88s......I may be wrong.....

88 also has CableCard.
post #4140 of 4534
Quote:
Originally Posted by RudyMeister View Post

I think the USB port(s) comes on both the 87/88 series.

I should mention....

PIP only accepts Air and Cable signals. DirecTV is not an option.

TV Guide is useless using DirecTV.
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