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post #4171 of 4534
^disregard....I found it! I'll have to try it at home.
post #4172 of 4534
Can someone who owns the Samsung HL-S6187W tell me if this stand would work with this set? The top dimensions are 50.6" W x 23.4" D. Here is the stand I'm looking at. Though I really can't tell from the picture whether the black is going to match the TV.
post #4173 of 4534
Hi all, I just bought a samsung HL-S4266W a few weeks ago and i have a couple of quick questions:

1) I cannot for the life of me find any evidence of this "black grass" phenomenon that people are talking about. Is it a known issue on ALL the 4266W's? or am I just blind?

2) The HDMI is tough to get seated correctly. It seems like since i started using the cable box with HDMI, it has to be "jiggled" to get it to pick up a signal. is this a problem for anybody else? and is there a huge difference between using HDMI and component for a cable box?

3) the manual says it only does 720p, but accepts 1080i. does this mean it downsamples the 1080i signal to 720p? and am i going to notice any real difference between this and if i had purchased a unit that displays 1080i?

thanks for any help!
post #4174 of 4534
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Originally Posted by hepcat1 View Post

Hi all, I just bought a samsung HL-S4266W a few weeks ago and i have a couple of quick questions:

1) I cannot for the life of me find any evidence of this "black grass" phenomenon that people are talking about. Is it a known issue on ALL the 4266W's? or am I just blind?

2) The HDMI is tough to get seated correctly. It seems like since i started using the cable box with HDMI, it has to be "jiggled" to get it to pick up a signal. is this a problem for anybody else?

3) the manual says it only does 720p, but accepts 1080i. does this mean it downsamples the 1080i signal to 720p? and am i going to notice any real difference between this and if i had purchased a unit that displays 1080i?

thanks for any help!

1) Every 4266 that I've seen has the black grass. To see it you have to have the set ON with no signal (or a very dark picture in a dark room) and have your eye level below the screen to see it on the bottom, in the center, right above the Samsung badge. To see it from the top, you have to have your eyes above the set. When I had my 4266 at eye level I never saw it. Since moving it higher than eye level on a 40 inch stand, I can see it on the bottom. I have yet to see it on the top though.

2) I have not experienced any problem with my HDMI connection from my Samsung HD-850 DVD player and the 4266. One time I had a no signal indication from the 4266 when I switched to DVD and the DVD was playing but since resetting the DVD player (pressing the front panel FF button for 5 seconds) it never happened again.

3) 720p (p=progressive) and 1080i (i=interlaced) are the same resolution on a 720p set. I prefer using 720p from my DVD player. 720p is the default when using HDMI between my Samsung DVD player and the 4266.
post #4175 of 4534
thanks steve! i appreciate the input. are you generally pleased with your 4266W? i'm still within my 30 day return period so i'm curious if you regret the purchase at all. it sounds like the black grass issue isn't a real problem for me, to be honest.
post #4176 of 4534
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Originally Posted by hepcat1 View Post

thanks steve! i appreciate the input. are you generally pleased with your 4266W? i'm still within my 30 day return period so i'm curious if you regret the purchase at all. it sounds like the black grass issue isn't a real problem for me, to be honest.

I am very pleased with the picture quality and audio of my HL-S4266--the black grass is not an issue for me. If I hadn't followed these forums I might not have ever seen it. From my perspective, there are no real *perfect* sets out there and the black grass is a very minor one when compared to the excellent picture quality of this set. I pointed out the black grass to my wife and she said its not really a big deal and that it didn't warrant a service call or exchange. She said I spend too much time analysing the screen instead of watching the movie. With that said, I'd say my 4266 is a keeper.
post #4177 of 4534
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Originally Posted by hepcat1 View Post

Hi all, I just bought a samsung HL-S4266W a few weeks ago and i have a couple of quick questions:

3) the manual says it only does 720p, but accepts 1080i. does this mean it downsamples the 1080i signal to 720p? and am i going to notice any real difference between this and if i had purchased a unit that displays 1080i?

thanks for any help!

Yes... The display scaler will downscale a 1080i image to display it on the 720p display. This results in a loss of detail compared to the source image. Whether you notice it or not depends on what you watch and how hard you look. On a 42" screen, you probably wouldnt notice in my opinion.
post #4178 of 4534
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

Yes... The display scaler will downscale a 1080i image to display it on the 720p display. This results in a loss of detail compared to the source image. Whether you notice it or not depends on what you watch and how hard you look. On a 42" screen, you probably wouldnt notice in my opinion.

should i set my cable box to use 720p as the native source instead of what i have it set to now (1080i)?

and again, thanks for all the help! hope i'm not being too much of an annoying "newb".
post #4179 of 4534
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Originally Posted by hepcat1 View Post

should i set my cable box to use 720p as the native source instead of what i have it set to now (1080i)?

and again, thanks for all the help! hope i'm not being too much of an annoying "newb".

Yes, set it to 720p which is perfect for the set because no additional up/down scaling is required.

No problem at all helping out the new people here. We're all noobs at one time or another.
post #4180 of 4534
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Originally Posted by hepcat1 View Post

should i set my cable box to use 720p as the native source instead of what i have it set to now (1080i)?

and again, thanks for all the help! hope i'm not being too much of an annoying "newb".

Im my opinion, I would set the cable box to pass all formats and let the TV do the scaling. Scalers in the cable boxes are not always the greatest. Let your eyes decide which works best. If you have an upscaling DVD player... I would recommend 720p.
post #4181 of 4534
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

Im my opinion, I would set the cable box to pass all formats and let the TV do the scaling. Scalers in the cable boxes are not always the greatest. Let your eyes decide which works best. If you have an upscaling DVD player... I would recommend 720p.

Forgot we were talking about a cable box and not a DVD player. As scsiraid says, if the cable box provides the option, set it to pass all formats.
post #4182 of 4534
will do.

now i just need to order a TOS splitter/switch for my digital audio and i'm all set.
post #4183 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Net4surfer View Post

I must thank you again for your input and consideration to my original question. I am a huge NFL fan and if the 5086 can support a quality viewing of games I am all for it. And I am def not quite a power user, hopefully once I finish school and get a good job I shall become one. Again skimmilk you have been very helpful.

another consideration for 1080p is if you will be also using it for a monitor for your computer. gaming @ 1080 is the best thing since sliced bread
post #4184 of 4534
Question about Samsung DLP RPTV, model HLS5066:

Does it have an upconverter for all its inputs to HD?

I cannot find the answer in the user manual published at the Samsung web site
and I cannot find a spec sheet for 5066 there.

Any information will be appreciated.
post #4185 of 4534
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Originally Posted by ahop View Post

Question about Samsung DLP RPTV, model HLS5066:

Does it have an upconverter for all its inputs to HD?

I cannot find the answer in the user manual published at the Samsung web site
and I cannot find a spec sheet for 5066 there.

Any information will be appreciated.

All inputs are scaled to the native display resolution.
post #4186 of 4534
>>another consideration for 1080p is if you will be also using it for a monitor for your computer. gaming @ 1080 is the best thing since sliced bread <<

Are you sure about this? I have my XBox360 set at 720. What are the recommendations here?
post #4187 of 4534
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

All inputs are scaled to the native display resolution.

Thank you for the response, that makes sense.

So now I wonder why on the Best Buy web site they state
....
Samsung 50'' Widescreen DLP Projection HDTV (HLS5066)
....
Upconversion Technology No
....

Must be data entry error.
post #4188 of 4534
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Originally Posted by ahop View Post

Thank you for the response, that makes sense.

So now I wonder why on the Best Buy web site they state
....
Samsung 50'' Widescreen DLP Projection HDTV (HLS5066)
....
Upconversion Technology No
....

Must be data entry error.

Perhaps because they are Best Buy......
post #4189 of 4534
This may have been posted already but on the www.dlp.com website, they've added a new link http://www.itsthemirrors.com/ Looks like a new add compain, but also they've put together a video on the DLP technology that explains it pretty well.

CCourtney
post #4190 of 4534
Has anybody posted recommended picture settings for Samsung HLS5066 ?

I don't see it in this thread, and I cannot find another AVS forum thread for this info.

I am mostly interested in settings for watching films from DVD, but other settings will be appreciated as well.
post #4191 of 4534
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Originally Posted by ahop View Post

I am mostly interested in settings for watching films from DVD, but other settings will be appreciated as well.

Check this out.

Eliab on User Calibration using DVE.
post #4192 of 4534
And when the calibration God speaks, er.. I mean Eliab speaks, I listen.
post #4193 of 4534
Well, after a year or more of lurking, I finally took the plunge...pulled the trigger...dropped my donuts...whatever...and ordered a Samsung DLP. What model, you ask? (Or maybe you don't.) First, I ordered an HLS5687 from a reputable online Dealer #1, who, in compliance with the rules, I won't name, since price issues will come into this. About twelve hours later, I saw that reputable online Dealer #2 -- who I had almost purchased from -- was suddenly advertising the 6187 for a price that was $38 more. I called #1 and asked if they could price match and switch me to a 6187. They got back to me several hours later, with a price $20 lower. So I said Wow! and switched, when means that I just upgraded from a 56 to a 61 for an additional $18.

Issue 1: My one worry is that the sales rep told me it was backordered and I might have to wait. This is fine by me if it doesn't drag out forever, as in the much-documented Powerbuy situation. What bothers me is that several days have passed and this company's website *still* is listing the unit as "In stock: ships same day" -- which simply shakes my confidence in its honesty. (I can recall them updating from "In stock" to "on order" and back a few times in the past, so I'm baffled as to why they haven't this time.)

Issue 2: Of course, now I have to look for a stand. I care less than zero about "nice-looking," which will be confirmed by anyone who's ever been to my pad. The 6187 is listed as 55" wide, but the base is listed as 40" wide. I've seen the following issue brought up once or twice before around here, but I don't remember any specific followup on it (and I did a fair amount of searching): All other things being equal, shouldn't a 40" wide stand be just as stable and safe as a 55" or wider stand for this set? A stand 40" wide and, say, 20-24" high is no more likely to tip over sideways than one 60" wide; and the full base is supported in either case. Plus: this will allow me to put my front speakers under the overhang on each side.

Does anyone have a dire warning to issue me before I do this? Has anyone done it?

Issue 3: In addition to having read a year's worth of posts on what sizes various people have found comfortable for what distances, I looked at Samsung's chart today and saw that they recommend 61" for seating 7.2' away. Cool, I thought: I've measured from the front of my current TV to my eyes to be about 8 1/2', so I won't be too close. Then I realized that they're measuring from the front of the set to the *front* of the sofa, so my measurement included the extra 1 1/2' - 2' from the front of the sofa to where my head is likely to float. So, by their measurement, I'm more like 6 1/2' or a little more. I may gain a few more inches, since the screen of my current, 14-year-old CRT -- yes, this is a *very* big upgrade for me -- is 23" from the wall behind it; and the 6187 is listed at 17.6" deep.

Still: please reassure me that I won't go ****-eyed with the size of the thing.

(I just posted and then read my post, and I'm deeply amused that the software here automatically and instantly bleeped the first four letters of the word above, presumably taking it to be a vulgar reference to the male member. ****suckers!)
post #4194 of 4534
post #4195 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post

....shouldn't a 40" wide stand be just as stable and safe as a 55" or wider stand for this set?

Yes, assuming the stand is a well constructed, sturdy stand, of course. That's a 5687 on a 40.5 inch stand that is 27" high (had to accommodate a "BIG" center channel speaker). Your 61" model will be about 2.5" wider on each side.



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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post

Still: please reassure me that I won't go ****-eyed with the size of the thing.

First day your set arrives: "Holy ****! This thing is huge! I'm gonna go blind!"
Second day: "Ya know? This thing is gonna be just right."
Third day: "Hmmm? I wonder if I should've gotten the 67" model."
Fourth day: "I understand they have a 71" model out now."

I went from a 43", to the current 56", and the above was virtually exactly how my thoughts went. In your case, this process may be a bit more stretched out since you're coming from a older, smaller CRT, but trust me, the day will come when you'll be sitting there thinking you should've gotten a larger set. It's a universal reaction.
post #4196 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Rijax View Post

First day your set arrives: "Holy ****! This thing is huge! I'm gonna go blind!"
Second day: "Ya know? This thing is gonna be just right."
Third day: "Hmmm? I wonder if I should've gotten the 67" model."
Fourth day: "I understand they have a 71" model out now."

Absolutely Correct!!!!!!!
post #4197 of 4534
Thanks, Rijax and scsiraid! That's the reassurance I wanted!
post #4198 of 4534
I am considering Samsung HLS6187W for viewing from 13 ft. I have a few questions still though:

I don't think I can see RBE, however I have heard that certain people experienced eye fatigue after extended viewing. Anyone can comment on this? My friend had a 2nd gen Samsung DLP and he also confirmed this.

How durable and scratch resistant is the screen? I have an adorable 2.5 yrs old...

How good is horizontal and vertical viewing angle during daylight? I went to my local BB, with dimmed lights, it looks pretty good and samsung spec says 70 degree center to side. But again, it's probably set on torch.

How good is Mack extended warranty? Any experience?

Thanks!
post #4199 of 4534
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Originally Posted by indogate99 View Post

I don't think I can see RBE, however I have heard that certain people experienced eye fatigue after extended viewing. Anyone can comment on this? My friend had a 2nd gen Samsung DLP and he also confirmed this.

The main cause of eye fatigue is watching in a room with all the lights off. There are special lamps for doing what's called back lighting. It's a dim light put behind the TV which prevents your iris from constantly going from full open to very closed. It also helps with the perceived black level of your set.

I've had eye strain related experiences in all kinds of situations including live plays so there are no guarantees.

Quote:


How good is horizontal and vertical viewing angle during daylight?

I think it's the same under all conditions. Horizontal is very good, but vertical is not good if you are standing any where near the TV.
post #4200 of 4534
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Originally Posted by RichSheikh View Post

>>another consideration for 1080p is if you will be also using it for a monitor for your computer. gaming @ 1080 is the best thing since sliced bread <<

Are you sure about this? I have my XBox360 set at 720. What are the recommendations here?

I wonder the same thing. The best I can do so far seems to be 1280 x 768. I'm talking about the rez when I hit the "Info" button on the remote. The rez in the driver is 1360 x 768. All my other fooling around with the driver for the ATI X800 gives me the famous "Not Supported Mode" (CCC v6.7) or a badly stretched out screen.

I don't think I'm understanding how to get 1080p on my 5688. Perhaps it's only possible with DVI to HDMI connection and PowerStrip? I'm using VGA at the moment.
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