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post #4201 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post

Well, after a year or more of lurking, I finally took the plunge...pulled the trigger...dropped my donuts...whatever...and ordered a Samsung DLP. What model, you ask? (Or maybe you don't.) First, I ordered an HLS5687 from a reputable online Dealer #1, who, in compliance with the rules, I won't name, since price issues will come into this. About twelve hours later, I saw that reputable online Dealer #2 -- who I had almost purchased from -- was suddenly advertising the 6187 for a price that was $38 more. I called #1 and asked if they could price match and switch me to a 6187. They got back to me several hours later, with a price $20 lower. So I said Wow! and switched, when means that I just upgraded from a 56 to a 61 for an additional $18.

Issue 1: My one worry is that the sales rep told me it was backordered and I might have to wait. This is fine by me if it doesn't drag out forever, as in the much-documented Powerbuy situation. What bothers me is that several days have passed and this company's website *still* is listing the unit as "In stock: ships same day" -- which simply shakes my confidence in its honesty. (I can recall them updating from "In stock" to "on order" and back a few times in the past, so I'm baffled as to why they haven't this time.)

Issue 2: Of course, now I have to look for a stand. I care less than zero about "nice-looking," which will be confirmed by anyone who's ever been to my pad. The 6187 is listed as 55" wide, but the base is listed as 40" wide. I've seen the following issue brought up once or twice before around here, but I don't remember any specific followup on it (and I did a fair amount of searching): All other things being equal, shouldn't a 40" wide stand be just as stable and safe as a 55" or wider stand for this set? A stand 40" wide and, say, 20-24" high is no more likely to tip over sideways than one 60" wide; and the full base is supported in either case. Plus: this will allow me to put my front speakers under the overhang on each side.

Does anyone have a dire warning to issue me before I do this? Has anyone done it?

Issue 3: In addition to having read a year's worth of posts on what sizes various people have found comfortable for what distances, I looked at Samsung's chart today and saw that they recommend 61" for seating 7.2' away. Cool, I thought: I've measured from the front of my current TV to my eyes to be about 8 1/2', so I won't be too close. Then I realized that they're measuring from the front of the set to the *front* of the sofa, so my measurement included the extra 1 1/2' - 2' from the front of the sofa to where my head is likely to float. So, by their measurement, I'm more like 6 1/2' or a little more. I may gain a few more inches, since the screen of my current, 14-year-old CRT -- yes, this is a *very* big upgrade for me -- is 23" from the wall behind it; and the 6187 is listed at 17.6" deep.

Still: please reassure me that I won't go ****-eyed with the size of the thing.

(I just posted and then read my post, and I'm deeply amused that the software here automatically and instantly bleeped the first four letters of the word above, presumably taking it to be a vulgar reference to the male member. ****suckers!)

I purchased the matching Samsung TR50X3B stand and am sorry I bought it because the shelves are not high enough or deep enough to hold my Sony DVD jukebox. The TR50X3B is adjustable to the width of the Samsung but it contains glass shelves which are a fixed size designed to fit the smaller Samsung DLP's.

My advice would be to measure height and depth of the equipment you are going to place in the stand and then go shopping for a stand that meets your needs.
post #4202 of 4534
I haven't scoured through this thread completely, but after doing so over at the 'LED' thread, "color banding" is the main issue. It was reported by at least one member that he saw it on a '88' series also (side by side).

For anyone owners of the '87' and especially the '88' series sets, do these suffer from it also??
post #4203 of 4534
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Originally Posted by spud1962 View Post

CC tells me they can't get the sammy hls6187 at the store because of a software issue, but when you call CC online you can order one, I asked the cc online person if he knew about a halt on ordering a 6187 because a software problem and he said he was not aware of any problems with the set, and that he could order me one. According to the salesperson at the flint, mi. cc store the software issue had something to do with a lip sync issue. anybody else heard anything about this, or do you think there just BSing me. They say there are 33 at the main warehouse but when they try to order one it say's code 755 cannot ship. I've been trying to get this set exchanged throuh warranty at the store because i can pay the difference from the 720P sammy to the 1080P sammy which i own(HLP6163w) which will only be $687

Haven't seen a response yet to the question here about persisiting lip sync issues on the Samsung DLPs like the HL-S6197. Is there a software or firmware fix in the works, or is the problem bigger than that?

-Greg Iverson
post #4204 of 4534
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Originally Posted by gurekku View Post

Haven't seen a response yet to the question here about persisiting lip sync issues on the Samsung DLPs like the HL-S6197. Is there a software or firmware fix in the works, or is the problem bigger than that?

-Greg Iverson

No Lip Sync issue with my 6188.
post #4205 of 4534
How is it hooked up??
post #4206 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Feralhog View Post

I wonder the same thing. The best I can do so far seems to be 1280 x 768. I'm talking about the rez when I hit the "Info" button on the remote. The rez in the driver is 1360 x 768. All my other fooling around with the driver for the ATI X800 gives me the famous "Not Supported Mode" (CCC v6.7) or a badly stretched out screen.

I don't think I'm understanding how to get 1080p on my 5688. Perhaps it's only possible with DVI to HDMI connection and PowerStrip? I'm using VGA at the moment.

for 1080 you want your settings to be 1920x1080 on the computer. hopefully it would show it on the tv as well.
post #4207 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

How is it hooked up??

If you are talking to me... HDMI to TV. Coaxial to AVR.
post #4208 of 4534
Digital audio to TV and digital to amp, correct?

That doesn't help me. How about analog from TV to amp and analog from external device to amp. Is there a delay then??
post #4209 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Digital audio to TV and digital to amp, correct?

That doesn't help me. How about analog from TV to amp and analog from external device to amp. Is there a delay then??

Yes... I also have a tivo which is analog video and analog audio to sammy. No lip sync problems there either.
post #4210 of 4534
But is it analog to the amp? I'm NOT referring to audio using the sets internal speakers.
post #4211 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

But is it analog to the amp? I'm NOT referring to audio using the sets internal speakers.

I now understand what you are asking. I dont have any analog going to the amp currently but I should be able to throw a cable from the hddvd to the amp and check it out for ya.
post #4212 of 4534
Please if you wouldn't mind.

Anyone else??
post #4213 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Please if you wouldn't mind.

Anyone else??

Ok... I set up the HDDVD so it has three audio paths connected...
1) HDMI to TV
2) Coaxial Bitstream to Receiver
3) 6 Audio Cables to Receiver

Watching and listening to one at a time does not show any perceptable lip sync issues.

Next thing I did was to turn up the TV volume and compare it to bitsteam and 6cable audio to receiver. Comparing bitstream and tv showed nearly perfect sync. Comparing 6cable and tv indicated a definite echo indicating a delay but it was not 'huge'.
post #4214 of 4534
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Comparing 6cable and tv indicated a definite echo indicating a delay but it was not 'huge'.

This is audio right off the TV tuner into the amp correct??

Apparently Samsung must of corrected some of the delay. I demoed a Mits, JVC and two Sammys (this years and last years 'floating design") sets and to my surprise the Mits had the shortest delay (if any). Last years Sammy 720 'R' series had the most (no surprise), followed by this years 'S', then the JVC 1080 (another big surprise) and finally the Mits 1080.

All sets had the same component feed and were side by side. I was watching video with numerous scene changes. I centered my vision in the center of the four sets and through peripheral vision watched each scene change to see which set showed the next scene first and which show the change last. It took a while to verify the results, but that was what I came up with.
post #4215 of 4534
I am considering the purchase of one of the Sammy HLS sets. Either the 6767 (from Costco), the 6187 or 6188. As I understand it, the feature set differences are the following (from a previous post):
88 vs 87:
No Cable card
No PIP
No IEEE 1394
No TV Guide

67 vs 87
NO SRS Surround
No DAC Speakers
No USB Port.

My setup is intended to be DVD player and either cable or directv to a yamaha 2700 HDMI switching receiver, to hdmi input to the TV. Perhaps a direct antenna to either the Directv box or the tv itself. The yamaha and outboard speakers handles the audio. I have Time Warner Cable and the SA 8000 box would be the one. The H20 directv receiver would be the one I would get.
I would also like to connect a PC to the TV, primarily for displaying photo slide shows and some for gaming, etc. I assume I would use the Yamaha to switch that also. I know there have been detailed posts on this issue, but I am sketchy on the details.

Now, I am a newbie, but I've been reading a lot of these posts. As I understand it, current cable card technology is not interactive. So you need the cable set top box anyway for PPV and interactive cable guide. So not an issue.
One side of PIP is required to be analog in the 88, so again, since I intend to use HDMI inputs, this is a non-issue.
Since both cable and directv have their own guides, lack of TV Guide doesn't seem all that important either.
Since the Yamaha will provide audio, NO SRS surround is not an issue.

Question? What are "DAC speakers"? I suspect that since the Yamaha is handling the audio, this is not an issue either.

So, what are the USB and IEEE 1394 ports used for? Is either used to connect a PC to the TV? Or only a digital camcorder? If the 1394 is used for a camcorder, can I connect it some other way?

Right now, the Costco 6767, assuming I can find one to buy, sounds attractive, since its 6" bigger and doesn't appear that the extra features of the 87 and 88 are really important to me. I would love opinions from someone more knowledgable. Unfortunately, the 71 is outside my budget.

Thanks.
post #4216 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

This is audio right off the TV tuner into the amp correct??

Apparently Samsung must of corrected some of the delay. I demoed a Mits, JVC and two Sammys (this years and last years 'floating design") sets and to my surprise the Mits had the shortest delay (if any). Last years Sammy 720 'R' series had the most (no surprise), followed by this years 'S', then the JVC 1080 (another big surprise) and finally the Mits 1080.

All sets had the same component feed and were side by side. I was watching video with numerous scene changes. I centered my vision in the center of the four sets and through peripheral vision watched each scene change to see which set showed the next scene first and which show the change last. It took a while to verify the results, but that was what I came up with.

My test was a DVD player not a tuner. When i compared 6cable and tv i was listening to both the tv speakers which were being driven by the HDMI output of the dvd player and the main speakers being driven by the avr and the analog output of the dvd player. There was a slight timing difference between the two resulting in an echo.
post #4217 of 4534
Was it visually noticeable?
post #4218 of 4534
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Was it visually noticeable?

No.
post #4219 of 4534
Hey guys... SUBER NEWBIE HERE!

I am looking to pickup a HL-S5686W.. just wondering that the consensus is on quality and what not? Average price?
post #4220 of 4534
I've read that many so-called 1080p TVs cannot display every line of 1080p sources such as HD-DVD when they are transmitted as 1080i, but instead drop one of the fields and reconstruct the 1080p frame from just 540 lines of info. Is this true of the 5687?
post #4221 of 4534
Took the bait. Bought the HL-S6188W for $3149. Delivery next week.....or so they say.
post #4222 of 4534
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Originally Posted by DSKTexas View Post

I've read that many so-called 1080p TVs cannot display every line of 1080p sources such as HD-DVD when they are transmitted as 1080i, but instead drop one of the fields and reconstruct the 1080p frame from just 540 lines of info. Is this true of the 5687?

The HLS doesnt have this problem. The first generation sets you describe are using a simple 'Bob' deinterlacing scheme which is much less than ideal.
post #4223 of 4534
I bought my 5687w about 2 weeks ago at circuit city.

I just started noticing that it looks like my screen is dirty, just below the center of the screen there are a handful of small smudges, the size of a dime or smaller. I thought at first it was fingerprints, i tryed cleaning it off and it won't come off.

I think its on the inside of the screen... I did a little searching on here and see that I am not the only person who has noticed this.

You can only see the smudges if you are looking directly at the TV (straight on) and it is a very white screen.

Is this a defect of the set? Should I return it? Is there anyway to get rid of them?

I would rather save the hassle and not return it if I can fix it myself. What do you guys think?
post #4224 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Bloodymess13 View Post

I bought my 5687w about 2 weeks ago at circuit city.

I just started noticing that it looks like my screen is dirty, just below the center of the screen there are a handful of small smudges, the size of a dime or smaller. I thought at first it was fingerprints, i tryed cleaning it off and it won't come off.

I think its on the inside of the screen... I did a little searching on here and see that I am not the only person who has noticed this.

You can only see the smudges if you are looking directly at the TV (straight on) and it is a very white screen.

Is this a defect of the set? Should I return it? Is there anyway to get rid of them?

I would rather save the hassle and not return it if I can fix it myself. What do you guys think?

Return it and get a replacement......

Next option would be to have samsung tech come and replace the screen stack.
post #4225 of 4534
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

The HLS doesnt have this problem. The first generation sets you describe are using a simple 'Bob' deinterlacing scheme which is much less than ideal.

Thanks. Would you recommend this TV?
post #4226 of 4534
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Originally Posted by DSKTexas View Post

Thanks. Would you recommend this TV?

The HLS series? Yes! I have a 6188 and am very pleased with it.
post #4227 of 4534
So I absolutely fell in love with the picture of the Sony 3LCD RPTVs at CC. Purchased the 46" set and thus far I am NOT a happy camper...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ut#post8345161

There seems to be widespread green push and geometry problems with these sets. When calibrated correctly they can look awesome (I thought better than the Sammy's at CC). But I don't want to go through 1/2 dozen sets to get one the factory bothered to calibrate correctly. So I'm beginning to consider my options and will look at the Sammys closer.

One of the reasons I went with an LCD projector is the rainbow effect. I can ask but don't expect a reliable answer from my 3 year old wheather she sees rainbows or not... Am I overly concerned with the rainbows? DO the newer, faster multi-segment wheels pretty much make it a non-issue?

The other reason was color accuracy... Ha! this was supposed to be an LCD strength but I'm seeing green people with this set.

Regardless... Just so I don't get into this grass is LESS greener on the other side of the fence trap... can the kind folks here give me the good, bad and the ugly on these sets?
post #4228 of 4534
I love mine so far, The only problem i have is I have a few smudges on the backside of my screen, which it seems like a handful of people have had. I am probably gonna exchange it at Circuit City.

Also when I use the VGA port, my screen is not fullscreen. There is about 1 inch of blank screeen all the way around, even with the PC and the TV set to 1920x1080... Might be something I can do about it, i just haven't looked into it enough.

This TV deffinetly looks very sexy, I like the fact you can't see speakers AT ALL. and the small bezel is awesome.
post #4229 of 4534
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Originally Posted by Bloodymess13 View Post

I love mine so far, The only problem i have is I have a few smudges on the backside of my screen, which it seems like a handful of people have had. I am probably gonna exchange it at Circuit City.

Also when I use the VGA port, my screen is not fullscreen. There is about 1 inch of blank screeen all the way around, even with the PC and the TV set to 1920x1080... Might be something I can do about it, i just haven't looked into it enough.

This TV deffinetly looks very sexy, I like the fact you can't see speakers AT ALL. and the small bezel is awesome.

I've got the 1 inch all the way around on my 5688 also using VGA. What graphics card do you use. I can't get mine to display 1920 x 1080 using an ATI X800. All I get is the "Not Supported Mode" screen......I've got a new graphics card coming. Perhaps that will solve this problem.
post #4230 of 4534
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One of the reasons I went with an LCD projector is the rainbow effect

Then why haven't you considered the JVC (LCoS variant)?? Funny, those Sonys have been well known for their blueish blacks, now it's greens.
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